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ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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How can you not have a better answer prepared for single payer/UHC/MFA?

"We can't afford it" got the reaction it deserves, it's none sense, it's bullshit, and it's insulting.
 

SwordsmanofS

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Oct 27, 2017
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You know, seeing Mr Hickenlooper on the campaign trail... I'd be okay if he didn't run for Senate. Not pushing for any kind of Health Care reform?

Go home old man.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Why would you need protection from one of "your own"?

At least Hickenlooper can't really be one of these governor presidential candidates who will lean on a "we did it in my state" campaign message. But he's got no backup to that, even. Is he really going to stick with the "sit down and talk to McConnell" message, a market that Biden already has wrapped up?
 

chadskin

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Joel Benenson (born July 24, 1952) is an American pollster and consultant known for his role as a strategist for Barack Obama's 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns. He was the chief strategist for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.

oh no Pete, not the Hillary pollster
 

Kusagari

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Oct 25, 2017
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Inslee was probably backstage grinning ear-to-ear. Guaranteed to get a good response going after that.
 

Dark Knight

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I guarantee you at some point Trump is going to take issue with Dem candidates getting SS protection, whether he does it privately or publicly. He won't be able to stand anyone else, never mind someone on the other side, getting anything resembling or related to "presidential treatment."
 

Tracygill

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The Left
(2016) Meet the 21-year-old animal rights activist who bum-rushed Bernie Sanders

"We want to see Sanders make a statement of full equality for all species to reflect the true progressive values he claims he stands for," said Aidan Cook, one of five protesters to jump a barricade and approach the stage where Sanders was delivering his speech.

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Oct 25, 2017
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What is the guy on the left doing

He actually put points into sneak




ABC News @ ABC

Italy's populist government is blocking plans by former White House adviser Steve Bannon to set up an academy for future populist leaders in a medieval monastery in the mountains outside of Rome. https://abcn.ws/2MnpgBX

9:23 PM - Jun 1, 2019


Can we just tell people it's a leper's ward?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I have never seen an organization less effective at accomplishing their goals than Direct Action Everywhere.

Like, have they moved the world an inch closer to veganism ever in their existence.
 

Naijaboy

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Mar 13, 2018
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Jacobin should be the last paper to ask Dem candidates to go to Fox News. That's why Nate is criticizing them. Not that there isn't an argument for it (and evidence has shown that Bernie has benefitted for it), but for that paper to criticize Dem candidates for now going to the obviously antagonistic news organization is hypocritical at best. That and Warren is probably the worst possible candidate to do so.
 

JayC3

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Re: Gillibrand, Politico had a profile on her recently: https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...tic-campaign-president-primary-podcast-227032

The gist of it is that she's running her campaign as if this were the general, when this is still the primary where grassroots energy and progressivism leads to the most engagement. And she's doing this because she doesn't want to be typecast as the "woman candidate", but it's a problem when there are 20 other candidates in the field and Gillibrand doesn't excel or draw in any specific demographic better than others.
This is the hang-up of Gillibrand's campaign. Never has the Democratic electorate been more exercised by issues of identity, and never has gender been more central to the national conversation—politically, culturally, socioeconomically and otherwise. And yet Gillibrand, despite having very little to lose at this point, remains cautious in interviews and on the stump—aiming for broad appeal instead of a niche brand, trying to draw in support from every cell of the party rather than cultivating a base and building out.

At every stop in New Hampshire, the senator was careful to modulate her answers and her tone in ways that would render her universally acceptable. She talks of how she dominated the blue boroughs of New York City—but also how she carried the state's red, rural counties. She believes Trump is a "coward"—but she wants to calm the vitriolic nature of our politics. Gillibrand didn't shy away from a single proposal—whether it was expanding the Supreme Court, increasing funding for indigenous groups or signing a breast cancer-related pledge—that voters asked her about.

Yet when it came to addressing the gender bias she believes is inherent to politics—a belief shared by many younger progressive women, a sizable chunk of the Democratic coalition—Gillibrand held back. Had her off-the-record answer been published, it would have gone viral overnight, racking up hundreds of thousands of clicks and instantly erasing any concerns about her small-donor disparity. But Gillibrand chose to be careful. Having won in a red district, having persuaded older, whiter, Republican audiences to support her in the past, she believes she can do so again.
This is the paradox of Gillibrand's candidacy. She believes, as do many of her Democratic rivals, that voters want "electability" in a nominee—someone who above all else will defeat Trump in 2020. And she does have a case to make in that regard: As a former upstate congresswoman, she does have a feel for the nonideological challenges facing rural and poor America. And at her core, layers beneath the questions about her political evolution, she is inherently relatable, someone who quotes Scripture as easily as she sips a beer or rocks a baby.

But Gillibrand's emphasis on long-term electability may be coming at the expense of her short-term viability. She has chosen not to pursue with reckless abandon the demographic that should be her core constituency in the primary—women—believing it would limit her appeal to other portions of the electorate.
 

phisheep

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
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The cryptic crossword in today's Daily Telegraph looks forward to the Presidential visit to the UK ...

16a Awfully cheap dime charged (9) = IMPEACHED
24a After turn of century, end possible contract (2-5) = NO TRUMP
 

Tomohawk

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Oct 27, 2017
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You may, once again be surprised to find out, that Sanders does not want to ditch the filibuster, meaning his agenda would be limited to annual limited by rules bills. Even if you get all Democrats to vote for something, you won't reach 60 regardless of how well the elections go next year.



Who knows at this point.
Speaks volumes of the poster posting TYT stuff though.
Lols why would tyt be any different from other news outlets? It's not like NYT or MSNBC are paragons of virtue. Unless your one of those people who thinks TYT is the fox News of the left.
 

Tukarrs

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Jacobin should be the last paper to ask Dem candidates to go to Fox News. That's why Nate is criticizing them. Not that there isn't an argument for it (and evidence has shown that Bernie has benefitted for it), but for that paper to criticize Dem candidates for now going to the obviously antagonistic news organization is hypocritical at best. That and Warren is probably the worst possible candidate to do so.

How did you come to that they should be against going on Fox?

Their EIC wrote this piece before any Town Hall talk, so again they've been consistent and not hypocritical. They're all about spreading the socialist message and worker solidarity.

Should you play a game that is designed for you to lose? Perhaps. If you're so good that you can win it anyway, it might be worth a shot.

They cited a really good example of a doctor explaining M4A.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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She has no national base, but does have a very strong anti-Trump voting record in the Senate. None of his nominees. Potential debate spoiler for both Biden and Sanders, but could help the other women candidates.

News orgs not being paragons of virtue in no way puts them on the same level as tyt. For over two years the reporting about the Russia investigations has been proven to be extremely accurate, none of that has come from tyt.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Gillibrand should've ran a bold intersectional feminism campaign leaning heavily on trans/gender rights & focusing on black women issues like Warren. Whatever they're doing now ain't it
 

Vector

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Several well-known modelers and pollsters are predicting a Trump re-election at this point. Starting to wonder whether that would be for the better seeing as Dems stand an excellent chance at retaking the Senate in 2022 with a significant majority if Trump is re-elected and he would be largely ineffective without any power in Congress.

If Dems do win the WH in 2020, but without the Senate (let's be real, it's looking really likely at this point), the Dem President would still be stonewalled by the GOP.

I wish it wasn't like this, but Climate and Healthcare reform seem to be far out of scope at this point in time.
 

Ac30

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Several well-known modelers and pollsters are predicting a Trump re-election at this point. Starting to wonder whether that would be for the better seeing as Dems stand an excellent chance at retaking the Senate in 2022 with a significant majority if Trump is re-elected and he would be largely ineffective without any power in Congress.

If Dems do win the WH in 2020, but without the Senate (let's be real, it's looking really likely at this point), the Dem President would still be stonewalled by the GOP.

I wish it wasn't like this, but Climate and Healthcare reform seem to be far out of scope at this point in time.

What modelers and pollsters? If it's "the economy, stupid" types, eh, Trump might actually defy that rule for once.

And I'd rather Dems capture the Whitehouse in 2020 regardless of the Senate, Trump (and Obama to some extent) made it pretty clear you can stretch executive power a long way, and a lot of justices can retire/die in 2 years.
 

Ortix

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Oct 27, 2017
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If Trump isn't ousted in 2020, the supreme court is beyond fucked. That's really not an option.
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Trump isn't ousted in 2020, the supreme court is beyond fucked. That's really not an option.

Yup, and not just the supreme court, Mitch is having him flood lower courts with highly partisan/unethical/unqualified judges as well. There's also the immigration/DOJ that he can wreak havoc with, and he can declare war on anyone he wants without anyone's permission.

We need to get him the fuck out of the white house, passing progressive legislation is a secondary objective.
 

Zombegoast

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Pssst you can talk about worker control of the means of production now


Yeah no shit Trump is lying, just like in 2016.

Just bring up Trump's failures while in office

How his Golf trip was more expensive than the Mueller Investigation

And how his Tax Cuts led to more employees being laid off than pay increase and job growth.
 

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Pssst you can talk about worker control of the means of production now

It's funny how we describe America as a democracy. Sure, we vote on local, state, and federal representatives, but we don't have that kind of control over the organizations we took away at so that we don't fall into destitution. You can not vote and be fine as long as you work, but the opposite will have you out on the streets in no time.

It's time for America to democratize the workplace.
 
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