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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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Except for #4 (which we are kinda in the midst of), I doubt any of the above is going to really happen, especially #3.Not saying it will happen, but I would not be completely surprised if we get a sequence of events like:
1. Barr releases the report with minor redactions because he is feeling pressure from Mueller and others and does not want to come off as too much of a lackey.
2. Report shows damning information regarding obstruction and other offenses.
3. Trump loses his shit over Barr not supporting him by redacting literally anything threatening to him, fires Barr.
4.
Don't like the headline, mueller didn't submit a redacted report.
Not saying it will happen, but I would not be completely surprised if we get a sequence of events like:
1. Barr releases the report with minor redactions because he is feeling pressure from Mueller and others and does not want to come off as too much of a lackey.
2. Report shows damning information regarding obstruction and other offenses.
3. Trump loses his shit over Barr not supporting him by redacting literally anything threatening to him, fires Barr.
4.
Releasing the Mueller Report on Thursday is so shady. Literally right before Good Friday and Easter Weekend in attempt to reduce the ability for Congress/Media to respond quickly.
As for your sequence, I only see #3 happening if Barr doesn't try to minimize the damaging material released. So far Barr has done his best to throw as many flares and distraction tactics as possible. Going as far as saying, "Spying did occur" with no evidence. I could easily see Barr trying to discredit any unredacted material that was released in the Mueller report to appease Trump. Barr is already beginning a campaign of investigating the investigators. He basically said so last week. This will keep his job safe even if the Report has damaging information on Trump..
My read on this is that they had hoped/planned for Barr's "letter" to bury the report which, at a cursory glance at the original news bites, it had done. But then people did a double-take and the news didn't keep running with Barr's narrative and now you're actually stuck in a catch-22.
So, a monkey's paw.
No doubt, Barr has informed Trump and his legal team on the upcoming damages and there's a counter-narrative already building and being given several days to roll out before Barr releases the redacted report.
Except that we've had a major scandal or revelation or cabinet disaster almost every week for two years so how are you able to untangle what's panic (which he most certainly does) from normal outrageous incoherent trash?
This is the one thing that I wish every reporter would hammer Trump and every one of his mouthpieces on. Fundamentally, his entire argument, if you can call shit flung against a wall an argument, hinges on a contradiction. Either Mueller and his "angry Democrats" are a hit job designed to take down Trump and thus completely untrustworthy, or the investigation is completely above-board and exonerates him. He has hammered Mueller and his team for months and now he wants to claim that he has been "COMPLETELY EXONERATED" by an investigation that he has been calling a "WITCH HUNT". This makes no damn sense and I wish that journalists would work harder against letting him try to get away with it.
god that uncleaned mirror is so distractingThursday release huh. I guess we should all hope for a.....good Friday.
Barr needs to be grilled in front of congress on the following:
1. Did you communicate directly or through a proxy to tell the president to go silent between Friday and the Sunday press release?
2. Have you assisted, advised or cautioned anyone connected to the whitehouse on legal, political or messaging strategy for responding to the report?
3. Has Robert Mueller agreed with your two personal conclusions on his report? Has Robert Mueller or his team communicated any concerns to you or your office regarding your conclusions or actions since the report?
4. Did you read the entire report and supporting evidence before crafting your letter? Were your conclusions based on a complete understanding of the underlying evidence and the content of the report?
5. Is your legal opinion that a sitting president cannot by logic or law be prosecuted or indicted for obstruction of justice?
6. Can you explain therefore what is to prevent a sitting president from destroying evidence of any crime , high crime or misdemeanor and how you square that with the underlying constitution or rule of law and frankly, common sense? And do you understand that a president controls far more levers of evidentiary and legal machinery than any private citizen or elected official?
7. Can an attorney general be indicted for obstruction of justice?
8. Have you been in communication with unelected private citizens organizations, think tanks or other political organizations on either your highly unusual and unsolicited legal opinion essay or the strategy to deliver it to the whitehouse or the nature of your strategy since taking over the ag office and subsequent delivery of your four page issuance?
9. Have you communicated with senator Lindsay graham (or Kid fucking Rock) on his non senate activities with the president ?
10. Is your intention to remain AG for the entire duration of this presidency and beyond and would you remain in this role should the winner of the next General election request you do so?
12. Do you agree with rule "C2" that the IRS "shall furnish " the tax records of any American and that precedent has included a sitting president and one whose taxes were under audit and that the original law was crafted in direct response to a concern about a sitting president committing financial misdeeds and that by logic that concern raises potential policy concerns or questions for the congress including the possibility of the need to enact further protections for the American people?
1. Did you communicate directly or through a proxy to tell the president to go silent between Friday and the Sunday press release?
2. Have you assisted, advised or cautioned anyone connected to the whitehouse on legal, political or messaging strategy for responding to the report?
3. Has Robert Mueller agreed with your two personal conclusions on his report? Has Robert Mueller or his team communicated any concerns to you or your office regarding your conclusions or actions since the report?
4. Did you read the entire report and supporting evidence before crafting your letter? Were your conclusions based on a complete understanding of the underlying evidence and the content of the report?
5. Is your legal opinion that a sitting president cannot by logic or law be prosecuted or indicted for obstruction of justice?
6. Can you explain therefore what is to prevent a sitting president from destroying evidence of any crime , high crime or misdemeanor and how you square that with the underlying constitution or rule of law and frankly, common sense? And do you understand that a president controls far more levers of evidentiary and legal machinery than any private citizen or elected official?
7. Can an attorney general be indicted for obstruction of justice?
8. Have you been in communication with unelected private citizens organizations, think tanks or other political organizations on either your highly unusual and unsolicited legal opinion essay or the strategy to deliver it to the whitehouse or the nature of your strategy since taking over the ag office and subsequent delivery of your four page issuance?
9. Have you communicated with senator Lindsay graham (or Kid fucking Rock) on his non senate activities with the president ?
10. Is your intention to remain AG for the entire duration of this presidency and beyond and would you remain in this role should the winner of the next General election request you do so?
12. Do you agree with rule "C2" that the IRS "shall furnish " the tax records of any American and that precedent has included a sitting president and one whose taxes were under audit and that the original law was crafted in direct response to a concern about a sitting president committing financial misdeeds and that by logic that concern raises potential policy concerns or questions for the congress including the possibility of the need to enact further protections for the American people?
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So Warren/Harris is my ticket but I feel like it's gonna come down to Harris and maybe Buttigieg or Beto.
To be fair to Trump, he's not wrong. There's a lot of angry democrats.
Even if the Redacted Mueller Report ends up being a wet fart, Trump is clearly acting like a guilty man.
Fox News does not like Means TV. They did AOC's campaign video and are starting a cooperatively owner streaming service.
Pretty solid. Dems everywhere doing good fundraising numbers.
Have to wonder how much that dries up once Trump is out of office, though. Hopefully this activated a number of lifetime voters and activists, as opposed to people who will just go back to happily ignoring everything.
I was being sarcastic. The only thing that changed is now they actually know whats in the report.
So far Bootyjudge is my guy. Strong on policy and a less angry Bernie/less wonkish Warren (I mean in how they're portrayed in the media narrative) - he's religious enough to do Jesus judo on Pence but otherwise his own private business, he's an Afghan veteran, he's a White guy but with a twist. His "gay agenda" is already settled law in some important ways so he doesn't seem "activist " - he can add any straight person to his ticket as a foil (Bernie or warren for experience, Harris for Extra diversity and to troll the right into knots) and so far no scandals.
The other Dems can go after him on inexperienced outsiderness but it's harder for Fox and his opponents without creating constant gaffes and hypocritical comparisons that even chuck todd might "challenge " and he's millennial in the good way.
He's 38 so there's a Kennedy aspect and he's from a flyover state. Launching himself AS mayor Pete defangs it as a slight.
He's my guy for now but I am not delusional about his chances especially with everyone from Bernie to Biden about to turn on him either gently or ferociously. I also think the right might underestimate him and start too late but that's an area where they're typically a bit smarter than I give them credit for. They're also patient and are playing the democratic primary lineup almost literally like a deck of cards.
They will prop up Bernie to create maximum infighting during the primary and have a decades of unused oppo powder they kept dry during Hillary. They likely have tons On booker and Harris and especially Biden. Mayor Pete's weaknesses are on his sleeve and the Rove "attack his strengths " will be challenging with such short tenure. They know how to attack veterans and war heroes and are not shy about it.
Oh and if Trump quits or gets shafted then Romney is going to have extreme discomfort fighting a gay opponent.
This is all likely moot unless the DNC thinks Biden is a liability.
The other Dems can go after him on inexperienced outsiderness but it's harder for Fox and his opponents without creating constant gaffes and hypocritical comparisons that even chuck todd might "challenge " and he's millennial in the good way.
He's 38 so there's a Kennedy aspect and he's from a flyover state. Launching himself AS mayor Pete defangs it as a slight.
He's my guy for now but I am not delusional about his chances especially with everyone from Bernie to Biden about to turn on him either gently or ferociously. I also think the right might underestimate him and start too late but that's an area where they're typically a bit smarter than I give them credit for. They're also patient and are playing the democratic primary lineup almost literally like a deck of cards.
They will prop up Bernie to create maximum infighting during the primary and have a decades of unused oppo powder they kept dry during Hillary. They likely have tons On booker and Harris and especially Biden. Mayor Pete's weaknesses are on his sleeve and the Rove "attack his strengths " will be challenging with such short tenure. They know how to attack veterans and war heroes and are not shy about it.
Oh and if Trump quits or gets shafted then Romney is going to have extreme discomfort fighting a gay opponent.
This is all likely moot unless the DNC thinks Biden is a liability.
37...i just know because i was shocked to see he was only a few months older than me and is running for president...now i feel ashamed*
*not really...but super impressed
Please proceed mr Nunes...
Btw every now and then even Punished Lindsay will do or say something genuinely bipartisan and patriotic if it doesn't upset his blackmailers, but Nunes is full bore tank citizen. He either knows what's in it and thinks he has a way to spin it- or he has no clue and is about to try and Peter Strzok-out again.
Btw Nunes Twitter account has achieved ratio horseshoe theory- by first going bad ratio with hot takes and crimes but has since become a giant gathering place for cow memes thanks to his ridiculous Streisand effect twitter lawsuit.
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Armchair firefighting. Perhaps he'll blame California for this fire too.
Saying he has "novel ideas" pisses me off more than anything.
Every time Nunes has tried to get info to make his case its only undermined him. If you think the facts are on our side, there's no reason not to go along with it.
"Perhaps weak-handed French President Emmanuelle Macarena should have more thoroughly raked the pews after the big game."
I like how he ALMOST made a good sensitive tweet but had to idiotically add a ridiculously dangerous and destructive firefighting method as if he knew how to fix it.
Ah, so it's really really obviously one of those days where he's not even pretending that he's doing any work.
"Sir, there's an important building on fire somewhere."
"SHOW IT TO ME NOW!"
"Sir, there's an important building on fire somewhere."
"SHOW IT TO ME NOW!"
Barr is corrupt. If there was any doubt left releasing the redacted Mueller report before a 3 day holiday weekend should have quelled those doubts.
He's also a huge asshole. I'm still livid over his mafia-like response on the DOJ's position on the ACA.
This is fascinating.
Déjà vu.
Yeah I don't see Rmoney becoming the nominee if Trump dumps out.
I'm thinking "BINARY CHOICE" the way Jim Sterling says "PLAYER CHOICE" in his obnoxious gaming CEO voice.
Miller is the worst.
Media journalists and former intelligence and DOJ lawyers basically sat on Barr's entire past for months.
I am OK with the MIller "novel ideas" phrasing because it's condescending and dismissive which is what he derserves in public rhetoric, as long as they address his presence officially and professionally as a serious concern. What they can't do is villainize him properly and give him a platform.
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