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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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Breaks silence to tell Rudy to stfu.
2019.
Truly a mystery.
Weird line of attack I am seeing is "He'll just be another Obama" which I feel like is a dumb tactic since Barack has like 90% approval with dems
The thing is Pete isn't getting the black vote and a Dem can't win without the black vote
That does seem weird.
I would say the people who make that argument aren't worth listening to. I also assume it's bandied about frequently on Era.
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the thing is the first primary is literally in 10 fucking months
It's quite early to be making definitive statements like this, no?
Seriously, we haven't even had a single debate yet. Obsessing over polls at this stage is silly.
True. Pete hasn't really done outreach to black communities yet though.
Him being gay will 100% be a problem with minority voters but he's also like made 0 appeals to the black or Latino community (despite having a sketchy record on talking about black activists). So it's on him.
I don't think him being gay is an issue with POC voters, it's him being absolute ass on racial issues and doing nothing to help POC during his time as mayor.
Let's be real: being gay is not as big of an issue as it might be because he's not effeminate. If he were, it would be a problem for a lot of people, even progressive ones.
I know from experience.
I know from experience.
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If you're a complete nobody with limited resources you usually focus on early states you expect to do reasonably well in, which are Iowa and New Hampshire for him. Now that he's taken off and made some bank I'd presume he'll look to quickly broaden his campaign. Because it's absolutely true he hasn't done enough yet to reach out to communities of color.
I think the National Action Network speech was probably the most notable yet?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/pete-buttigieg-addresses-all-lives-matter-controversy.html
Just wanted to let you know that I understand this reference.
And Steny Hoyer wishes he could be Keith.
It will be. Not with our generation, but with older voters. the fight for gay marriage should be a good indicator as to how people still feel about stuff like that. Im not saying its right, but I do think it will be a bigger deal that you think come time.
Yeah. He's already getting protestors because he's gay. Imagine if he becomes a bigger name it's only going to get worse. The USA is not ready for a gay President. Recent polling has about 70% of people being ok with a gay man running for president so he's already at a disadvantage.
If he ever starts behaving with his husband like straight politicians behave with their spouses, the problems will come on real quick.
The majority's "support" for gay people is an illusion.
They are going to do this anyway. This is the plan they came up with to counter the report, to use Barr to side with their conspiracy theories and have him turn the tables on the investigators by investigating them for "treason" and a "coup". Barr's 4 page bs was the setup for the plan to roll out followed by Lindsey and others to start echoing the talking point on twitter and on FOX news except the actual report is so damaging that even Barr's preemptive press conference has disapated. We haven't even seen the whole report, the evidence and the counter intelligence report that Mueller prepared with the FBI for congress plus the 12 other investigations that have been handed off to other jurisdictions with the possibility that some might still be about Trump himself commuting other crimes. This is why impeachment has to happen, it's mandated by the constitution other wise why have a congress and its how you squash their counter report plan. Look at Trumps tweets today he's still going forward with this plan, he's out of control and needs to have his brakes cut with a full on open impeachment proceedings, hang the votes around the republicans let them own their decision and also make sure Trump and the GOP know that however they vote Trump will be prosecuted one way or another either now while in office or after he's out of office.
I've thought about this.
Remember there was an active FBI investigation into the Trump campaign. If Trump didn't fire Comey, it's almost guaranteed Trump would have kept trying to obstruct the investigation in other ways. Also in early 2017 the intelligence agencies were leaking like a sieve because they were shocked at what was going on, so word would have gotten out either what they were investigating or Trump's efforts to interfere.
One way or another things would have come to a head within 6-9 months where a special council or independent commission would have been put in place because Trump is a bull in a china shop and eventually he'll break something.
No lies detected, sadly. They basically have to be ~~~courageous, inspiring~~~ Ken Dolls and make the marriage sound like a fairytale.
I'm so happy he's here and gaining traction, but I remain eternally wary of straight people and their ostensible support. For some, as you say, it's only while we act the way they think we should. I'd be so sad to see him get burned that way.
If Biden doesn't outright mention the "very fine people" bit, he will have completely ruined the potential of the launch location. Not that I intend to support him anyway, but still.
Agreed. I mean in fact it would be an error. Like why even pick the location.
I also hate Biden's slogan of "Take our country back!"
Sounds waaaay too Trumpian for me. Women, black, brown, and LGBTQ people never had the country in the first place and have always been marginalized, so how can we take it back? Seems like that slogan only applies to white working class or white elites...
Sounds waaaay too Trumpian for me. Women, black, brown, and LGBTQ people never had the country in the first place and have always been marginalized, so how can we take it back? Seems like that slogan only applies to white working class or white elites...
True. He does need to own up for a lot of stuff to sell this message effectively.
Oh god and I even forgot about him being anti-busing for a moment.
It is generational thing, I don't think he will have a lot of problems with black women and younger POCs.
Biden is going to get his record on racial issues ripped apart when the candidates go into attack mode.
The whole "creepy Joe" thing was a shot across the bow from the Obama and Clinton people to get Joe to stay out of the race, I wonder what other attacks they have up their sleeve, and that's not even taking into account what Bernie will throw at him.
I think the same thing will happen to Buttigieg, he seems on a roll now because other candidates haven't turned on him.
I thought this was known already. But I guess it's good to have it in an official doc.
Chris Steele reportedly told Mueller:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier
I think it was only rumored somewhere(Steele dossier?) but now it's official.
I would guess that your churchgoing conservative black folks will have more problems with Buttigieg being gay than they do with Biden being racist, partly because Biden has cover from being Obama's VP.
Actually, you can probably take all the adjectives that I put before "folks" out and that sentence would still be generally true.
Actually, you can probably take all the adjectives that I put before "folks" out and that sentence would still be generally true.
They'll dig up photos and video from his wedding and other domestic events, and Donald Trump will start doing "limp wrist" bullshit at rallies to laughter and cheers of support, and that will be that.
Shit is clear as day even from here.
Well, well, well. That's enticing.
I'm dying to know what the 12 fully redacted indictments in the Mueller report are.
I'd assume the audience seeing those attacks is a little different from democrats as a whole.
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