US PoliERA 2019 |OT5| She's got a plan for that, now sashay away

nature boy

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was between Evan Bayh & Joe Biden at the end



Biden was a great choice. Had decades in the Senate & foreign policy experience there which balanced out the ticket. Helped in PA and the Midwest since he's from Scranton.
Yeah I was wondering why he was in contention for VP given his poor Presidential runs but as an experienced Senator yeah it makes sense. And picking between Bayh and Biden lol
Seems that experience as a Senator is clouding his judgement regarding the current GOP.
 

thefro

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Oct 25, 2017
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A really long way to go, but one possible scenario is Trump can't get out of his own way enough or be disciplined enough for anything to really damage Biden (who's more-liked than Clinton ever was) in a general with swing voters/Dems.

Pretty much all of Biden's weaknesses (he's too old, he makes gaffes, he was way too touchy-feely with people) are all things Trump is. It's going to be hard for Trump to make the "Biden is a creature of DC!" argument when he's corrupt as hell and the sitting President.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pretty much all of Biden's weaknesses (he's too old, he makes gaffes, he was way too touchy-feely with people) are all things Trump is. It's going to be hard for Trump to make the "Biden is a creature of DC!" argument when he's corrupt as hell and the sitting President.
It's not hard to make the argument when you're as much of a shameless liar as Trump is. Trump can talk about Biden's touchy-feelyness while simultaneously calling every woman who ever accused him of sexual assault or harassment a total liar, and have no issue with doing so.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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The polls are fake, the news is fake, the leaks are fake, Russia is fake...

At least point, maybe everything is fake and we're just living in Star Ocean's world.
 

Poodlestrike

There is much talk, and I have listened...
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I really think that if Warren can register more polls like that before the debates, she's got a real chance of pushing right up to Biden's numbers, if not past them. She's got real momentum now, and a lot of people want to vote for her, but there's still a persistent (if ridiculous) electability question. If Biden does as poorly in the debates as I'm betting he will, that could be her big shot.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell?
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I really think that if Warren can register more polls like that before the debates, she's got a real chance of pushing right up to Biden's numbers, if not past them. She's got real momentum now, and a lot of people want to vote for her, but there's still a persistent (if ridiculous) electability question. If Biden does as poorly in the debates as I'm betting he will, that could be her big shot.
He doesn't even need to do poorly, she just needs to do well. A good performance could wash those fears away.
 

OmniOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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To think, Elizabeth Warren may be the next President of the United States because the GOP refused to just let her run the consumer watchdog agency she built. Life comes at you fast.
 
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Going to be really fucking goddamn hilarious seeing all the people trip over themselves demanding Clinton make Warren her VP or else they wouldn't vote for her, suddenly turn around on Warren because she's a threat to their golden boy.
 

DrROBschiz

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He doesn't even need to do poorly, she just needs to do well. A good performance could wash those fears away.
She has tough competition I feel (not in polling but on the debate stage)

Beto, Buttigieg, and Harris are all talented speakers and have really been narrowing down their policy positions in response to Warrens excellent benchmark setting positions

She is Queen of policy and seems damn good at talking the talk so Im not overly worried
 

Poodlestrike

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He doesn't even need to do poorly, she just needs to do well. A good performance could wash those fears away.
I think that if doing really well was enough, she'd be the frontrunner already. Biden's appeal is not really based in anything about him, it's based in the myth of him - Biden is the man who can beat Trump! He's the Most Electable!

I think that people are doing a good job of chipping away at that argument, but the only one who can kill it is Biden himself.
 

Rhowm

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I have to say I agree. Choose the right person to be A.G., and let them carry out the right thing in an independent(which includes further discussion about it). The SDNY will continue their work.
 

DrROBschiz

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I think that if doing really well was enough, she'd be the frontrunner already. Biden's appeal is not really based in anything about him, it's based in the myth of him - Biden is the man who can beat Trump! He's the Most Electable!

I think that people are doing a good job of chipping away at that argument, but the only one who can kill it is Biden himself.
One thing that concerns me is that if the Biden spell is broken

Will these voters split themselves among the remaining hopefuls? Abstain from voting?

How do we ensure they all get under the right umbrella?
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell?
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Oct 25, 2017
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I think that if doing really well was enough, she'd be the frontrunner already. Biden's appeal is not really based in anything about him, it's based in the myth of him - Biden is the man who can beat Trump! He's the Most Electable!

I think that people are doing a good job of chipping away at that argument, but the only one who can kill it is Biden himself.
I think part of her issue has been that the pundits and whatnot have been able to define her. When people see the gap between what they've been told and what they see, it might do some good for her.
 

Poodlestrike

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Oct 25, 2017
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One thing that concerns me is that if the Biden spell is broken

Will these voters split themselves among the remaining hopefuls? Abstain from voting?

How do we ensure they all get under the right umbrella?
Warren's already a lot of people's number 2 choice - the thing to realize, I think, is that Biden sinking won't just disrupt Biden voters, it'll disrupt everybody. I think she's got a solid chance of attracting a ton of votes in the disruption.
I think part of her issue has been that the pundits and whatnot have been able to define her. When people see the gap between what they've been told and what they see, it might do some good for her.
That's definitely not helping her, but even without that, I think she'd still be behind Biden as things stand right now.
 

nature boy

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I really think that if Warren can register more polls like that before the debates, she's got a real chance of pushing right up to Biden's numbers, if not past them. She's got real momentum now, and a lot of people want to vote for her, but there's still a persistent (if ridiculous) electability question. If Biden does as poorly in the debates as I'm betting he will, that could be her big shot.
IMO it's way too early to even start peaking, let Biden's lead erode for the next months until October/November, some candidates will have to drop out by then.
 

Joe

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"Yeah! Fuck the Republican who voted to give us Medicaid! We'll vote for the Trumpy candidate who speaks my language!" - Some prick, probably
Oh hell yeah! I know the Dem who is running in that seat. Went to school with him. We're not close or anything, but I knew him. He's an awesome dude, so hopefully this bodes well for his chances.
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Casa

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I daydream about seeing Liz Warren in a one on one debate with Trump. She would eviscerate him.

As my favored candidate thus far, I hope she continues surging.
 

DrROBschiz

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Once we have the nomination locked I would very much like to see the rest of the pool go to work on support roles

Senate seats, admin positions, cabinet positions, and where ever else they can do the most good

Even though Warren is my top pick I still love the pool of talent we have right now