US PoliERA 2019 |OT5| She's got a plan for that, now sashay away

OmniOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone have any polling data on her favorability with independents? Because if she gets the nomination, that's who she is going to need to appeal to.

I think the reason for this is that she's excellent when it comes to persuasion and being personable, making ideas relatable. I'd argue the same effect would hold.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think the reason for this is that she's excellent when it comes to persuasion and being personable, making ideas relatable. I'd argue the same effect would hold.
I sincerely hope so. I love her policies and will vote for her in a second. Just have doubts she can make these same inroads with independents.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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well tbh. I have been gravitating towards Elizabeth Warren lately.
As someone who had previously wished she didn't run at all... She has my vote, if the primary were to take place today.

She actually has ideas, and she's thought them through to policy.

If we actually want to see a progressive fight for the nomination, either Sanders or Warren has to drop out- They'll definitely steal votes from each other basically guaranteeing Biden the nomination.

I know, it's early... But still.
 

dlauv

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Oct 27, 2017
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This could be like one of those things where if you call attention to it then nothing happens. Is that was a jinx is? Either way, don't count Delaney out.

It also seems to skew Republican. Cruz was bottom rung too in 2015, and ended up taking Iowa.
 
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lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone who had previously wished she didn't run at all... She has my vote, if the primary were to take place today.

She actually has ideas, and she's thought them through to policy.

If we actually want to see a progressive fight for the nomination, either Sanders or Warren has to drop out- They'll definitely steal votes from each other basically guaranteeing Biden the nomination.

I know, it's early... But still.
for sure. She definitely is my second choice now. Like I'd be all-in for her, but then Bernie does something like this:


and it's like... how can I not support this guy.

Ahh...that's why Warren did so good in this poll. She's winning whites outright.
also important to note.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Warren as Pres with Bernie as VP. Make all of the BernieBuster's head explode while pointing and laughing at them as they continue to twist themselves into pretzel as they fail to adequately explain why they won't vote even though their God is on the ticket.
 

Tukarrs

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Oct 27, 2017
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I thought we weren't going to cherry pick bad campaign fanatics. It's extremely easy to find people with bad opinions and it distorts the reputation of the whole.

Personally I would be glad if Warren won.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Warren as Pres with Bernie as VP. Make all of the BernieBuster's head explode while pointing and laughing at them as they continue to twist themselves into pretzel as they fail to adequately explain why they won't vote even though their God is on the ticket.
yeah I think this reaction is all in your head
 

Maxim726x

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Tukarrs

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Look up the profile. He’s an obvious Russian troll.
I thought we weren't going to cherry pick bad campaign fanatics. It's extremely easy to find people with bad opinions and it distorts the reputation of the whole.

Personally I would be glad if Warren won.


Yep, you all fell for propaganda because it confirms with your view of what a "Bernie or Buster" is.

 
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Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do we want Amash to run as an independent if he gets primaried or nah? Probably nah, right
I want him to run as an independent for president

Even peeling off 1% in Michigan would seal that state for the Democrat.

Other good news, Electoral College compact bill passes the Maine House after it failed earlier


That would leave Nevada as the only blue trifecta state not to sign on. I imagine if enough states flip blue in the next few years to push it up to 270, Sisolak would give.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Interestingly, Sanders has the exact same unfavorable numbers.

Also, Warren doesn't really have a "plan" to end the filibuster... I would assume this responsibility lies with the Senate, that is of course if the Dems retake it.

But I give her points for at least openly discussing her desire to end it.
This came up on my timeline via Jonathan Bernstein and it's a critique of Warren (and to a degree also applies to Sanders, with the "go over their heads to the people!" stuff theory that's touched on in the referenced blogpost.)



I don't think that the "institutional reform" critique is a good one here - she's clearly talking about having the Dems throw out all the antiquated norms in the Senate they keep playing by that the GOP ignores, not institutional process changes in the Executive Branch.

But the "WE'LL GO OVER THEIR HEADS" thing just doesn't work. We found that out in 2009.
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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How is this a thing that needs to be reported? Ive lived in rural areas my entire life. This is a frequent joke in families with both male and female children.
It's kinda weird the stuff people find "newsworthy". Hell, he's told this joke thousands of times. It's an old bit for everyone.
 

Suiko

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Oct 25, 2017
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Interestingly, Sanders has the exact same unfavorable numbers.

Also, Warren doesn't really have a "plan" to end the filibuster... I would assume this responsibility lies with the Senate, that is of course if the Dems retake it.

But I give her points for at least openly discussing her desire to end it.
The President can quite easily influence that change, especially if somehow we do retake the Senate in 2020.
The main reason why I think it's possible; Republicans have gotten rid of it for anything they really wanted.
 

Plinko

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While I have major doubts about Warren being able to counter the firestorm Trump and the sexist nuts on the right will throw at her, I do believe she has a great chance to turn some independents toward her with good performance in the debates. She just can't frame it as "socialism." General public seems to hate that. Frame it as income inequality and as a "Look, you're being screwed over and here's why."
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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The filibuster isn't ending anyways. Even if the Dems win the Senate this time.

Manchin and Sinema won't agree to end it, at a bare minimum.
 

sphagnum

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I have major doubts about Warren being able to counter the firestorm Trump and the sexist nuts on the right will throw at her, I do believe she has a great chance to turn some independents toward her with good performance in the debates. She just can't frame it as "socialism." General public seems to hate that. Frame it as income inequality and as a "Look, you're being screwed over and here's why."
The GOP will call it socialism anyway.
 

LocalA

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Oct 29, 2017
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Do we want Amash to run as an independent if he gets primaried or nah? Probably nah, right
Nah, I’d rather he get primaried and then run for president or fade out(which I know wouldn’t happen), and have the seat flip to a Democrat that better represents Grand Rapids as a whole.

Despite his stance on impeachment, he’s always going to be The Man Who Votes No to me. Whether he’s a “principled independent” or not, I wouldn’t expect his voting record to improve or change much.
 

OmniOne

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I have major doubts about Warren being able to counter the firestorm Trump and the sexist nuts on the right will throw at her, I do believe she has a great chance to turn some independents toward her with good performance in the debates. She just can't frame it as "socialism." General public seems to hate that. Frame it as income inequality and as a "Look, you're being screwed over and here's why."
Hence why much to Bernie fans chagrin she's kept saying she believes in markets, except for things like Healthcare where markets fail, and that markets without rules are theft.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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The polls are fake, the news is fake, the leaks are fake, Russia is fake...

At least point, maybe everything is fake and we're just living in Star Ocean's world.
That's a deep ass cut bro :(
This could be like one of those things where if you call attention to it then nothing happens. Is that was a jinx is? Either way, don't count Delaney out.
Nah I'm pretty sure Delaney has no chance.

Forma where? She better attend.
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I have major doubts about Warren being able to counter the firestorm Trump and the sexist nuts on the right will throw at her, I do believe she has a great chance to turn some independents toward her with good performance in the debates. She just can't frame it as "socialism." General public seems to hate that. Frame it as income inequality and as a "Look, you're being screwed over and here's why."
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here, Warren is on record as saying the difference between her and Bernie is that she believes in markets and not socialism.