The "rust belt voter" is complex because some people mean blue collar workers, and some mean white racists, and some mean rural midwesterners, and some mean the intersection of each. My answer is yes to blue collar workers and rural midwesterners.
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT5| She's got a plan for that, now sashay away
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The worst part of the Internet age is that everything has to be binary. You're either a socialist or a capitalist. Left or right.
I love Warren because of her view of government. She's a capitalist with a long-term view that realizes you can't treat people like shit.
But still overblown because it was always going to fade, which was my point.
Same with me. There are aspects of her policies that veer way too much into "actual European style governance" that I don't think are a good thing, but it's a matter of degree - the fundamental underlying worldview is one I share and having someone in office who shares that view and is committed to moving it the direction it needs to go would be fantastic. There's way more ground to cover from here to the point I think we need to be than there is ground to overshoot when trying.
"Those pols, my staff has assured me, were from last week. I was talking about this weeks very big, very large numbers."
Go suggest that line to her team via her website. Holy shit. Gillibrand did pick up Medicare 4 Kidz as a campaign item eventualy, I like to think me writing to her helped inspire that.
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"You thought a gift of $425M was a small loan."
"I'd ask you what you think, but I don't have Putin on speed dial."
You'll see people suddenly pretend to care about that, it'll be all they ever mention, if she pulls out in front. It'll be a good way to root out the bullshitters trying to push a narrative.
Dropping that bomb early might have been a winning strat after all, as long as she doesn't engage about it and considers it closed from now on.
She's really winning me over
Maybe. I think that we have to see how the rest of the primary plays out, at least, as it will get brought up again.
That letter Martha Fudge read about Trump cultists being racists and morons is amazing. Watching the fascists in the GOP get butt-hurt about courting bigots and idiots--but I repeat myself--is giving me life
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Ok someone get AOC and Ted Cruz in a room together so they can just start writing bills on everything they happen to agree on.
That's the beauty of the tactically nuking yourself like she did.
It's all burned out now, I don't think the story will catch on again.
Oh, so that form of contraception can be denied to anyone by a pharmacist/pharm tech with a religious belief against contraception?
Gotcha.
As long as they put cameras for the drama, I'm good. Could easily see AOC wrecking Cruz
Anyone watching Bernie's speech on Democratic Socialism? Wondering if he articulates how it's different than New Deal Liberalism.
Probably some combination of hitting his ceiling in a one-on-one race last time, a segment of the people who supported him last time having other options, and his not really correcting any of his problems.
Listening in the background, to me it sounds like the same talking points with a historical context. Doesn't sound different at all lol
Steve Bullock taking over the "fuck the establishment DNC!" motif.
Yeah it was NY times story 2 days ago, he's loosing in Michigan and Pennsylvanian among others in internal polls and they showed him but he told the pollsters to say otherwise because he's confident hes actually winning them.
Biden's ruthlessly clever and incisively honest rhetoric and non stop town hall ground game.
But srsly— more and younger candidates with similar positions and less baggage in part thanks to him pushing those positions I'd guess
The numbers now aren't really accurate except for name recognition so wait a month or two.
??? HOW IS GILLIBRAND DOING SO POORLY???
I mean it's pretty funny but also very confusing. I don't even know who Ryan and Messam even are and yet...
Better candidates in his political spectre + Biden is no Hillary = little space to even grow
It's one thing to support Sanders if you didn't like Clinton it's another thing to support him outright as first choice.
He probably won't, because it basically isn't outside of tacking on some support for co-ops. I'll give it a listen after lunch.
His approval/disapproval numbers were always bad. Since the start of primary polling post-November '18 he's only been positive with democrats. He consistently loses independents. To figure out what happened with his support, you have to look at his crosstabs. You would expect some level of attrition going from a 1v1 to a multi-way race. But it hasn't been consistent between racial subgroups and the nature of the pattern reveals the problem. Bernie went from winning half of white voters, a quarter of black ones, and I think got slightly more than half of Hispanic ones, to consistently polling in the 15-20% range with all 3.
And so to figure out what's going on, you have to look at who made up his base last time. It was young people, socially conservative D/I voters, and far left ideological types. Bernie lost over half his previous white and Hispanic support while only losing a quarter of his black support. And Bernie still polls best with 18-34s. That strongly suggests that the core of his big decline is losing the socially conservative votes now that there are candidates more attractive than him on that axis, whereas before he benefitted strongly from being not-Hillary. A coalition of young and/or lefty types lines up with his campaign now generally performing equally well among all racial groups, but at a far worse electoral position.
The eroding support in the last month or so is probably just Warren defections, since if you're in it for the policy but don't care about socialism/capitalism specifics, you could easily flip/flop between them.
Running a NY State campaign on a national level. She and Beto made the same error.
Plus Warren is smart enough to know that saying you're a socialist is politically poisoning yourself to the broader electorate
Warren is eating dude's lunch.
Why? IMO, Warren is Bernie except a) likable and b) better able to explain the purpose and function of her policy proposals than he is with his proposals.
Like, Bernie is this crochety, unsmiling dude that barely acknowledges that there are race issues that aren't solvable via addressing classism. Warren is friendly and obviously smart, but also able to connect on a human level and explain her policies frankly. Also, American Indian gaffe aside, she gets that there are problems that I'll have as someone who isn't white that won't be solved by making sure our financial institutions stay in line.
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