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ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Think about the mental gymnastics swing voters have to go through in order to justify their disapproval of impeachment.
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump literally, not even hyperbole, literally just inviting hostile foreign actors to interfere in our elections for his benefit.

It would be crazy enough to hear him saying what he just did in a leaked, secret recording. The motherfucker says it on national TV!

Fucking hell.
 

Suiko

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sure the Dem caucus will now favour impeachment with these comments

NOT

It's gonna help, it's also a great campaign soundbits for ads.
Changes were voted on and made this week to help the investigations move forward, so everyone needs to chill.

If you want to complain, use your energy to push house reps to support impeachment.
But, by all means complain on the forum, i'm still guilty of it too.
 

Hopfrog

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Oct 27, 2017
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It won't happen, but reporters should be asking every Republican in Congress if they agree with the president and if they would accept foreign meddling in our elections.
 

makonero

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Oct 27, 2017
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But guys we need more investigations! He will impeach himself! Impeachment is too good for him! We need to wait and charge him with crimes! Let the voters decide!

Anything to not have to impeach him ourselves
 

nature boy

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It's gonna help, it's also a great campaign soundbits for ads.
Changes were voted on and made this week to help the investigations move forward, so everyone needs to chill.

If you want to complain, use your energy to push house reps to support impeachment.
But, by all means complain on the forum, i'm still guilty of it too.
Argh I doubt it, operational window to start an impeachment inquiry is starting to close given that the caucus wants to spend time on other issues and starting campaigning again.

Plus there's the court battles that will drag this.
Plus the stonewalling.
I'm thinking Dems will want to shift the issue to "we'll investigate if we win the WH + Congress, we'll hold him accountable if you put us in the control seat" and want to focus on issues more relevant to the electorate
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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With the polling being so against impeachment, I wonder if he's doing this to goad them into it.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyway, waiting on Sarah's response to Trump's latest comment to set the record straight and we can move on to the next one.
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump pretty much has to say that because he and his lawyers have been saying it all along and to say otherwise would be admitting he did something wrong.
 

OtherWorldly

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Isn't asking for a raise considering her existing congressional salary the anti thesis of her principled positions?



Why isn't she floating that raise in income down to her staff which needs it more percentage wise
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't asking for a raise considering her existing congressional salary the anti thesis of her principled positions?
Um... no?

Congressional salaries have been stagnant for a decade. Inadequate salaries adversely affect governance because they make public service prohibitively expensive for anyone not rich and keep members of Congress from being able to attract competent staff. Fewer competent staff members means less legislation getting written and passed, which in turn slows the flow of federal dollars and the implementation of programs. Also, as she says, paltry salaries punish members who refuse to engage in illicit or unethical activity.

Congress needs a raise. If members get raises, their staffs also get raises. She's talking about the entire institution.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't asking for a raise considering her existing congressional salary the anti thesis of her principled positions?


No, she's right. Given the various expenses we force on Congress they either need a better paycheck or to be totally taken care of while in DC in a way we aren't now (give them decent free housing).

That said, I'm not sure she's right about it being a campaign finance issue.
 

OtherWorldly

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Dec 3, 2018
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Um... no?

Congressional salaries have been stagnant for a decade. Inadequate salaries adversely affect governance because they make public service prohibitively expensive for anyone not rich and keep members of Congress from being able to attract competent staff. Fewer competent staff members means less legislation getting written and passed, which in turn slows the flow of federal dollars and the implementation of programs. Also, as she says, paltry salaries punish members who refuse to engage in illicit or unethical activity.

Congress needs a raise.

She earns more than $150k . Is that behind the standard of living in dc ? What about her secretaries? She should by principles distribute the increase towards them instead
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
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She earns more than $150k . Is that behind the standard of living in dc ? What about her secretaries? She should by principles distribute the increase towards them instead
It's not just DC. Congressmen and women have to maintain residence in their home districts.
 

Autodidact

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She earns more than $150k . Is that behind the standard of living in dc ? What about her secretaries? She should by principles distribute the increase towards them instead
If members get a raise, so do their staffs because the bill would also give them more money for their offices. It's for the entire institution. Read some of the articles written about the pay increase in recent days. She's not being inconsistent at all.

Remember that their salaries have to maintain a residence in DC, an expensive city, and in their districts. Some expenses are covered, but not all. Congress needs a raise.
 

OtherWorldly

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Personally I don't think congress needs a raise. That is the least of which who need a raise. They work for the people and should have a salary comparable to the average of people they are working for. Just not a stand I would be for
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Personally I don't think congress needs a raise. That is the least of which who need a raise. They work for the people and should have a salary comparable to the average of people they are working for. Just not a stand I would be for
Do you like legislation being passed? Government running relatively smoothly? Research being done on legislation and its impacts before it's passed? Legislators actually being able to be full-time legislators?

Then you need to support generous pay for full-time legislators and their staffs. It's an important profession; treat it like one.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The GOP will call it socialism anyway.

Ding Ding Ding

I need to find that PDF that internal GOP group made where "SOCIAMALISMIZ" and "AOC" was the only positive news for them cuz, well, we've seen the numbers.

Trump pretty much has to say that because he and his lawyers have been saying it all along and to say otherwise would be admitting he did something wrong.

It's The Narcissist's Prayer with each and every revelation of Kremlingate.

We've seen this song and dance before.

He always does this when shit's hitting closer to home.

Note also the hands up like a guy trying to talk hired muscle out of breaking his kneecaps for the $2k he owes...
 

makonero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Personally I don't think congress needs a raise. That is the least of which who need a raise. They work for the people and should have a salary comparable to the average of people they are working for. Just not a stand I would be for
Arizona state legislators are paid basically nothing and people here are proud to tell you they won't vote for pay increases. Know what happens?

Only rich people can afford to run and stay in state government. This has ramifications including corruption, self-dealing, and a blindness to the plight of ordinary citizens.

This is even more true for congresspeople and senators where the living costs are astronomically higher.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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You have to impeach because if you don't, he continues to do this type of stuff with zero repercussion. Even if it fails in the Senate, you HAVE to start hearings and expand the news getting out to the public.
 

AnotherNils

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Oct 27, 2017
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If members get a raise, so do their staffs because the bill would also give them more money for their offices. It's for the entire institution. Read some of the articles written about the pay increase in recent days. She's not being inconsistent at all.

Remember that their salaries have to maintain a residence in DC, an expensive city, and in their districts. Some expenses are covered, but not all. Congress needs a raise.
Part of me thinks it'd be fun to give them food stamps and section 8 housing to cover their DC expenses.

But realistically, there should be dorms for congress.
 
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