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US PoliERA 2019 |OT5| She's got a plan for that, now sashay away

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Suiko

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I wonder who Pete is thinking of throwing his support behind...

Even though his chances of winning are very slim, he has made enough of an impact where his endorsement might move things.
 
effingvic

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I think I hate Mitch more than Trump. Trump is a sack of shit but Mitch is the physical embodiment of evil.
 
Teggy

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The stock market using trump tweets as signals of when to buy seems like the dumbest thing ever.


Also,

Nancy, please


Another annoying thing. Right wingers are having a party because the Auschwitz museum has made a few tweets to mainstream media people regarding the meaning of "concentration camp". Except they are wrong about what's being said.

 
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Ogodei

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But the really interesting thing, is that Brexit is more important than their party's own survival now.
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What I think this illustrates is that it's *not* about winning, it's about making the other team lose. Brexit triggers the libs (as such for the UK) so it's worth any cost, unless that "cost" makes the libs happy.
 
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Former Obama aide who worked for him back in 06, 08 campaign, worked for WH Counsel office 2009-11, worked for Perkins Cole 14-16, and was general counsel and assistant city treasurer for the city of Chicago 17-19.

Sounds like a pretty strong candidate if Amash runs for president or gets primaried by Lower.
 
Kirblar

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Nah. I would rather not vote for a candidate beholden to a billionaire.
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How does a one-shot donation make someone beholden to them?

You ask. If they say no, you move on. It's when you're providing regular infrastructure/support in some fashion (electorate, money, etc.) that you actually get influence on policy.
 
Chaos Legion

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I wonder how the media will report Trump's tweets and the debates. He could overshine Warren if he goes on a Pocahontas tirade that the media decides to focus on as opposed to the meat of her argument.

I hope Twitter just crashes during the debates
 
Soul Skater

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Where's that clip of Jeb! saying the polls are wrong and he won't win the nomination only for Trump to shout "THEN WHY'D THEY DO THE POLLS JEB!?"
 
Autodidact

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Partisan and demographic sorting probably makes polling easier than ever, as long as you can afford the higher cost to get respondents to give you the time of day.
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Also, this country's heterogeneity makes pollsters less inclined to herd. Our polls are fairly reliable, whereas we've sometimes seen a problem with herding in Europe and Australia.
 
sphagnum

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I think this is a pretty fair article comparing and contrasting Sanders and Warren, and I particularly like that it doesn't take Sanders' description of "democratic socialism" at face value. Haven't seen too many articles from non-socialists magazines/papers/sites say "It's not actually socialism!"

All that said, those who would like to see a President who has spent much of his life outside of and at odds with conventional politics, and who care deeply about advancing socialism in the United States—or, at least, are beginning to doubt that we can continue to patch and repatch capitalism into sufficiency—have ample reason to support Bernie Sanders, a candidate who was once a dedicated proponent of true socialism, even if he says little about it now. If you are opposed to or ambivalent about socialism or would prefer a President from a technocratic or academic background or a woman in the White House, you might give some thought to supporting Elizabeth Warren, a candidate with a deep and righteous conviction that the wrongs of the current economic system can be righted.

The nomination of either would represent a major shift leftward for the Party. That shift would ultimately be a restorative one, returning the Democrats to roughly the same ideological space they occupied not only during the New Deal years but as recently as the nineteen-seventies. Back then, wholly mainstream Democrats like Ted Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey were advocates of expansive government initiatives such as single-payer health care and a job guarantee. The victory of Clintonian neoliberalism has been, until now, so total that the most one typically hears about this period in Democratic politics are cautionary tales about the proud liberal George McGovern, who lost to Richard Nixon in a landslide, in 1972.

Fortunately for Sanders and Warren, they will be facing a candidate substantially less popular than Nixon was at the time and pitching themselves to an electorate that, according to figures recently released by the political scientist Jim Stinson, is more liberal than it has been in nearly seventy years. Whether the electorate is ready to appreciate or deeply consider distinctions within and between liberalism and leftism is another question.
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ShadowSwordmaster

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sphagnum said:
I think this is a pretty fair article comparing and contrasting Sanders and Warren, and I particularly like that it doesn't take Sanders' description of "democratic socialism" at face value. Haven't seen too many articles from non-socialists magazines/papers/sites say "It's not actually socialism!"



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Thanks for this article. Warren and Sanders are my top two picks for the Primary.
 
Teggy

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Reminder to temp silence Daniel dale if you don't want your Twitter feed flooded with exasperating trump nonsense.
 
aspiegamer

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Ooh, republicans are back to debating the definition of a concentration camp? Things are looking awesome at the border! ...But seriously, I don't think we'll ever entirely know how horrible some of the conditions are. Anecdotal and unconfirmed testimonials have become rather grim recently. Well. Grim-er.
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There is no chance this won't be a shitfest.
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Serious guess? He's going on to try to comfort that audience and point out that he only wants to deport the Bad Hombres™ and whatnot.
 
Kusagari

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Ooh, republicans are back to debating the definition of a concentration camp? Things are looking awesome at the border! ...But seriously, I don't think we'll ever entirely know how horrible some of the conditions are. Anecdotal and unconfirmed testimonials have become rather grim recently. Well. Grim-er.
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It's their hate fest today to paint AOC as antisemitic. The usual suspects have all been in on it.
 
ZeroRed

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Jesus, I see the media is falling in line and promoting Trump's rally as a kickoff campaign event. What do they call the other dozens of rallies he had in the past 2+ years? He was campaigning right away in early 2017. Fucking idiots.
 
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