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AnotherNils

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I wonder what made him switch. My first impression is "dont want to have two disgusting rulings one after another"
I don't think it was conscience. I think the Hoeffler files strained credulity past what he thought the institution could bear. (And he thought it could bear Ross lying to them and them pretending to buy it)
 

RedHoodedOwl

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Kyra

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Wilsongt

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Old man Trump is yelling at clouds, or rather cryptocurrency, on Twitter.

So Scavino or someone else has the account.

Because you know Trump doesn't know shit about cryptocurrency and I am sure a large swath of his younger, white, male supporters are heavy investors.
 
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He can't keep them out (wall, etc.)
He can't kick them out (resources, other countries won't acquiesce)
He can't detain them invisibly (they're being called concentration camps)

And even if he could, these didn't produce enough consistent bumps in polling (celebrating 50% from Ras doesn't cut it)

But he can scare them. Terrorize them, even. "The cruelty is the point", as they say. Which I'd believe was all he really wanted, except for that axios interview that was cut short when he began lamenting about being a nice person. The increase in press over the cruelty of detainment and the cruelty of vaporizing the aca, without the increase in polling, was getting to him - but only that: nothing humanitarian or policy-based, of course.

Others around him are getting jollies from all this, of course. But it shows that nothing is working to provide the adulation he needs. Travel ban, wall, cruel for-profit detainment, threats of being rendered invisible like census and family deportation (deportations during the upcoming hurricane, seriously?). It took a twitter troll summit to soothe him today, signaling perhaps a change in strategy heading into the 2020 cycle.

Makes the clearly divided house democratic caucus look even more ridiculous than it is.
 

Royalan

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Donald Trump deserves nothing but misery. Misery and ingrown toenails.
 

dlauv

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Standing ovation for Beto at Univision and he is decimating the straw poll. Luckily it was a town hall format. Bernie is in second, Warren is in third although they are nearly even, and Castro is last - fyi.
 
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Was this posted or discussed?

Nancy Pelosi, Impeachment, and Places in History via The New Yorker

Pelosi, more surprisingly, is also ignoring the chief political lesson of the Nixon impeachment. The case against authorizing an impeachment inquiry rests in part on polling, which shows that the public over all remains unconvinced that an impeachment inquiry is warranted—though the number in favor keeps growing. Yet had the House Democratic leadership come to the same conclusion in early 1974—when, it needs remembering, public support for impeachment was actually weaker—Nixon would have finished out his second term. The lesson is simple: on matters as serious as a Presidential impeachment, the opposition must lead, not follow, public opinion; it must examine and develop the evidence in plain view, and not permit the White House to persist in shaping perceptions through concealment and lies.

Pelosi, viewing the House and Senate proceedings narrowly, argues that Trump is best contested not with impeachment, which would be divisive, but by replaying the kitchen-table issues that won the Democrats the House majority in 2018—health care, immigration, and climate change. But that strategy would commit the classic military blunder of fighting a war on the basis of the last successful campaign, regardless of the facts and context. It's one thing to defeat Republicans in congressional races in which Trump's name does not appear on the ballot. It's quite another to defeat them when the charismatic Trump heads the ticket and is able to claim that he is exonerated because Democrats did not pursue an impeachment inquiry. In any event, the campaign so far has showcased that Democrats are far from united on a number of kitchen-table issues, from Medicare for All to the Green New Deal.
 
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Thanks for posting this. I just read the whole thing, and concur with it. This was the case and context for impeachment now, even above 1998 Clinton (done even after 5 years of investigating and coming up empty) and 1974 Nixon (done in the face of not-enough public support), and not a dissertation on why Pelosi must go. Pelosi will write her place in history with what she does next.
 

Madison

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Bernie is toasted. Socialist politicians/parties are getting hammered in US, UK and Canada.

Go Warren, though.
Socialists getring hammered in Canada? What does that mean, was the NDP ever in a good position?

Labor is leading the polls in the UK and much of Bernie's ideas have been normalized so I dont see how "socialists are being hammered". The second most leftist candidate is second on the polls.

Also like, Bernie isnt a socialist and the NDP isnt either.
 

Ogodei

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Can't they just draw the lines however they want though? Look at the citizen data, draw the lines so it's most advantageous to them, and say it's a partisan gerrymander.

Even the worst gerrymanders have to follow the math of "draw a shape around X number of people." The "people" part of that is immutable.

Theoretically you could draw a rotten borough where, say, only 10% of residents were citizens, but in practice that's basically impossible based on the kinds of areas where non-citizens usually live, except at the very small district level.
 

dabig2

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Fucking asshole, then fucking DO something

Fuck everyone who is writing a book about how crazy Trump is but never did anything while they had the chance

Ya'll still not saying out loud the game. It's not that Paul Ryan and his GOP "family" are cowards or feckless, it's that their criminals too. Some of very explicitly. I wouldn't doubt that Paul Ryan himself has his hands tied up in the dark money that infested that caucus so much that it probably made Al Capone nod up from hell.

So to protect himself and anyone else this sociopath might fein to care about, he casts Trump as "the other".

Hey guys, it's not us. It's him. He's an imbecile, clearly! It'll be over and back to the normal wheel of shit when he's gone, but hopefully not for another 5 years because we're going to milk this idiot for as long as we can and hard as we can as this decades-nurtured fascist wave continues on past the orange one.

P.S. thank you for all the lifetime judges and concentration camps and tax breaks for the rich.


In other words, fuck Paul Ryan and the rest of those duplicitous criminal shits. As always of course because this is who they've been for a long time now and will persist for a long time after.
 

Plinko

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Apparently some legal experts are noting the repeated usage of the term "as a practical matter."
 

T.Rex In F-14

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thank u, mr. president sir!

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The stain he is leaving on the presidency and the country is never going to come out.
(This gif is basically me every waking moment for the past 3 years, this feels like it is never going to end.)
 
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