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US PoliERA 2019 |OT5| She's got a plan for that, now sashay away

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JesseEwiak

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Fork said:
Socialists getring hammered in Canada? What does that mean, was the NDP ever in a good position?

Labor is leading the polls in the UK and much of Bernie's ideas have been normalized so I dont see how "socialists are being hammered". The second most leftist candidate is second on the polls.

Also like, Bernie isnt a socialist and the NDP isnt either.
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Corbyn is losing polls of whom you'd rather be Prime Minister by close to 20 points to Boris Johnson and the "leads" Labour have had in recent weeks are equaled by polls showing them in 4th, behind the Brexit Party and the Lib Dems. That's incredibly unlikely to happen because the Brexit Party has no candidates and the LibDems are the 'backup quarterback' of political parties, but the fact Corbyn f'd up Brexit so badly, and can't have a continuous significant lead over the shambling wreck that is the Tories show how incompetent that Corbyn actually has been, after having a good 2017 campaign.
 
Royalan

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AnotherNils said:
Luke warm take: Its not just Pelosi. It's also the lack of House Dems for impeachment.
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I still place this on Pelosi, though.

Not just because she's Speaker (and thus the buck stops with her), but because of the Legend of Pelosi. Too many people are trying to have it both ways with her. She's either the ruthless whip who knows how to bend her caucus to her will (which is the Pelosi we saw in the early noughts. The Pelosi we all love to brag about), or she's a total slave to the whims of her caucus, don't you understand she can't do anything because the moderates will be against her! In which case she really is no better than a potted plant. To support Pelosi at this stage is to somehow believe both views are true simultaneously, but you can't do that. You have to pick one.

My entire problem with Pelosi is that we've seen what she looks like when she's trying to make something happen. That is not the Pelosi we're watching today. If you don't believe impeachement, or oversight at all, is the right course of action, then stand up in your big girl heels and make that case. But she won't, and I wager she won't because she knows how unpopular that would be with the portion of her base she wants to pretend has no influence. So she'd rather stand in this no man's land of being completely freaking feckless. And that's just cowardly.

Pelosi has no play right now that doesn't involve us gaming out her moves for her. And that's not the Speaker I signed up for.
 
cameron

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Paul Ryan, the failed V.P. candidate & former Speaker of the House, whose record of achievement was atrocious (except during my first two years as President), ultimately became a long running lame duck failure, leaving his Party in the lurch both as a fundraiser & leader......

....When Mitt chose Paul I told people that's the end of that Presidential run. He quit Congress because he didn't know how to Win. They gave me standing O's in the Great State of Wisconsin, & booed him off the stage. He promised me the Wall, & failed (happening anyway!)......

....He had the Majority & blew it away with his poor leadership and bad timing. Never knew how to go after the Dems like they go after us. Couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough!

11:10 PM - Jul 11, 2019

April 2018:


Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Speaker Paul Ryan is a truly good man, and while he will not be seeking re-election, he will leave a legacy of achievement that nobody can question. We are with you Paul!

9:50 AM - Apr 11, 2018
 
IggyChooChoo

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Looks like a mob from a 90s beat-em-up.
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I think I may have found the dick pic he alluded to:
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Pooh

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Royalan said:
I still place this on Pelosi, though.

Not just because she's Speaker (and thus the buck stops with her), but because of the Legend of Pelosi. Too many people are trying to have it both ways with her. She's either the ruthless whip who knows how to bend her caucus to her will (which is the Pelosi we saw in the early noughts. The Pelosi we all love to brag about), or she's a total slave to the whims of her caucus, don't you understand she can't do anything because the moderates will be against her! In which case she really is no better than a potted plant. To support Pelosi at this stage is to somehow believe both views are true simultaneously, but you can't do that. You have to pick one.

My entire problem with Pelosi is that we've seen what she looks like when she's trying to make something happen. That is not the Pelosi we're watching today. If you don't believe impeachement, or oversight at all, is the right course of action, then stand up in your big girl heels and make that case. But she won't, and I wager she won't because she knows how unpopular that would be with the portion of her base she wants to pretend has no influence. So she'd rather stand in this no man's land of being completely freaking feckless. And that's just cowardly.

Pelosi has no play right now that doesn't involve us gaming out her moves for her. And that's not the Speaker I signed up for.
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With you 100%

Pelosi wanted the gavel
 
Blader

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cameron said:




Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Paul Ryan, the failed V.P. candidate & former Speaker of the House, whose record of achievement was atrocious (except during my first two years as President), ultimately became a long running lame duck failure, leaving his Party in the lurch both as a fundraiser & leader......

....When Mitt chose Paul I told people that's the end of that Presidential run. He quit Congress because he didn't know how to Win. They gave me standing O's in the Great State of Wisconsin, & booed him off the stage. He promised me the Wall, & failed (happening anyway!)......

....He had the Majority & blew it away with his poor leadership and bad timing. Never knew how to go after the Dems like they go after us. Couldn't get him out of Congress fast enough!

11:10 PM - Jul 11, 2019
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Blader

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I do think it's amusing that Republicans also think they're less effective at going at against the other party as they are attacking themselves... I don't know whether or not to take solace in that.
 
Sheepinator

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That's quite the highs and lows for Ryan. From the Buffoon's tweets:

Jun 2, 2016 04:12:54 PM So great to have the endorsement and support of Paul Ryan. We will both be working very hard to Make America Great Again!

Oct 16, 2016 03:54:37 PM Paul Ryan, a man who doesn't know how to win (including failed run four years ago), must start focusing on the budget, military, vets etc.

Apr 11, 2018 08:50:23 AM Speaker Paul Ryan is a truly good man, and while he will not be seeking re-election, he will leave a legacy of achievement that nobody can question. We are with you Paul!

Jul 11, 2019 10:10:41 PM Paul Ryan, the failed V.P. candidate & former Speaker of the House, whose record of achievement was atrocious (except during my first two years as President), ultimately became a long running lame duck failure, leaving his Party in the lurch both as a fundraiser & leader......
 

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lmcfigs said:
yeah this is something I hear conservatives say a lot. but as far as I know, emergency rooms will still bill you for their services. They just won't turn you away for not having insurance. which obviously has nothing to do with medicare for all.
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Hence how it gets messy after the care is provided. She was using an anecdote from a constituent on the campaign trail, in that everyone basically ends up covering the tab anyway for emergency room visits, when people who are billed (and yeah they are billed) can't pay.

This was in response to a question "If the ACA goes away via the courts and 20 million lose their insurance, how are you going to fix it?" So she's not quite there yet. With the removal of ACA possibly being imminent, not sure any of the candidates are where they need to be, especially to avoid a repeat of ACA broken out of the gate - Rubio sabotaging the insurance backstop, the less-than-stellar web implementation of the national exchange, worst marketing ever "if you like your doctor you can keep them", and the subpar overall rollout by Sebelius.
 
YaBish

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Ended up going to the protest at my local USCIS office today. There weren't that many people, but I felt like I had to do something.
 

JustinP

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So Lindsey Graham blamed the media for U.K. ambassador resigning. What he meant is that the media only reported on the insults and not the flattery lol:



 
sphagnum

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TheAbsolution said:
Isn't like most of Gravels appeal his criticism of US foreign policy though? That's at least what caught my attention.
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Primarily. People wanted him to get on the stage to try to push everyone even further left in an anti-imperial direction, plus they remembered his weird ad from 2008. I don't think most realized he was a Truther initially.
 
GoldenEye 007

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Brian McDoogle said:
Was this posted or discussed?

Nancy Pelosi, Impeachment, and Places in History via The New Yorker
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Is that a good point? The claim is trump will declare victory because Dems did not impeach. But he's going to claim victory on an even larger basis if and when he's impeached by the House but acquitted by the Senate.

Idk, I get the impeachment thing is frustrating and he deserves it, but when it reaches the Senate its going to get turned into a joke. All that effort only for McConnell to shit on it with zero relevant consequences. The ultimate and only power a Dem House has to get shit on and owned in the end leading up to an election. A DoJ that will ignore any request from the House with a population what doesn't even care to appreciate the significance of such a thing. At best the House can hope for an impeachment that results in Trumps pic being next to Clinton and Jackson's in impeachment lore that nobody will actually give a flying fuck about 5 years later.
 
loquaciousJenny

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sphagnum said:
Primarily. People wanted him to get on the stage to try to push everyone even further left in an anti-imperial direction, plus they remembered his weird ad from 2008. I don't think most realized he was a Truther initially.
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Didn't his puppeteers say if he gets on stage they want him to make a mockery of it all before endorsing Gabbard.
 

JustinP

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JustinP said:
So Lindsey Graham blamed the media for U.K. ambassador resigning. What he meant is that the media only reported on the insults and not the flattery lol:



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I just realized most people probably didn't look in the spoiler because they expected the tweet text to be copy pasted there, but I used it for the punchline:

 
The Chosen One

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devSin said:
Barr saying they're going to use citizenship data anyway to determine apportionment is ominous as fuck.
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Anybody notice Barr had a long awkward pause saying this, similar to the awkward pause he had when he said the FBI was "spying" on the Trump campaign. That's basically his tell that he's going into full Trump Stooge mood.
 

LordByron28

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Is that a good point? The claim is trump will declare victory because Dems did not impeach. But he's going to claim victory on an even larger basis if and when he's impeached by the House but acquitted by the Senate.

Idk, I get the impeachment thing is frustrating and he deserves it, but when it reaches the Senate its going to get turned into a joke. All that effort only for McConnell to shit on it with zero relevant consequences. The ultimate and only power a Dem House has to get shit on and owned in the end leading up to an election. A DoJ that will ignore any request from the House with a population what doesn't even care to appreciate the significance of such a thing. At best the House can hope for an impeachment that results in Trumps pic being next to Clinton and Jackson's in impeachment lore that nobody will actually give a flying fuck about 5 years later.
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I mean he is already parading around the country doing rallies, going off on social media and using his network propaganda machines to declare he won. Mueller didnt find anything illegal and that Democrats are sore losers. If they try to impeach and fail, how do you envision it looking any different from right now? He is already using his victim persecution complex to the highest degree. If they dont at least make an attempt then it will fail to sow further seeds of doubt within the American public. People will write it off as the equivalent of birtherism if they dont even make an attempt. The American public have been gaslit for the past 8 years by conspiracies leveled against Obama and HRC. They have become jaded and dont care about these congressional investigations that go nowhere. However, if they triggered impeachment people would be able to recognize that this is different than the conspiracy theories against Obama and Clinton.
 
OmniOne

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I don't know if it will work or not. I don't know if its the right strategy. Is there a possibility The Speaker is deliberately keeping the base mad as hell? Anger and fear are big voting motivators, and I could see not wanting to open a release valve for that.

More likely just bad decision making.
 
Ayahuasca

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It's gonna be Warren Harris. ARR. A Realm Reborn.

The only thing that will save Bernie (who is leading the 18-49 Demo in the NBC/WSJ poll) is if Biden and/or Butti drop out and their supporters go over to Bernie.

NBC/WSJ

18-49
SANDERS 26%
WARREN 23%
BIDEN 11%
BUTTI 10%
HARRIS 9%

50+
BIDEN 50%
HARRIS 17%
WARREN 15%
BUTTI 5%
SANDERS 3%
 
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