Releasing the items to own the libs. Did Democrats pop off prematurely?
Everyone wanted impeachment so that the Dems had the authority to exert power to force release of documents, and now you all are nervous nellies because they're getting documents. I need to take a Xanax reading some of these reactions.
Prematurely??!! The WH wasn't going to release this without the impeachment inquiry. If you think otherwise you're daft.
"For two years".
Releasing the items to own the libs. Did Democrats pop off prematurely?
Tulsi loves her dictators
People realy think Pelosi would start this chain of events if there was nothing in this report? She's not stupid.
Look, Impeachment inquiry was announced on Gritty's birthday.....Coincidence, I think not
The best thing about this and it being actual impeachment is that Trump WILL NOT be able to shut up about it, and it's been demonstrably proven that his approval takes a hit whenever he's loud and making a ruckus.
Might be worth revisiting the timeline here. (apologies to whoever I saw this one from before on here, this thread moves too fast).
7/24- Trump has phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky. One week prior he instructed mulvaney to ensure a 400 million aid package approved by congress doesn't get to Ukraine.
7/28- Trump announces that Dan Coats, Director of National Intelligence is stepping down. This is read as Trump forcing out Coats, the two haven't been seeing eye to eye.
7/31- Trump has a phone call with Putin. This is the the one that was supposedly about "vast wildfires affecting siberia."
8/3- Trump requests a list of all active top spies from the office of the director of national intelligence. Remember, this is Coats' office and Coats is on his way out.
8/7- Jon Huntsman abruptly resigns his position as US abassador to Russia, presumably to "spend time with family."
8/8- (and this is the weird one) CNN reports that on 8/8 Coats interrupts a meeting that his deputy Sue Gordon was giving on election security to convince her that she should resign. Sue Gordon is a well respected 30 year veteran of the intelligence community. Whatever Coats said to her, her plans "change suddenly" and she issues her resignation on the spot within minutes of this discussion, resigning in tandem with Coats.
8/12- A Whistleblower issues a formal complaint about Trump's behavior to the office of the director of national intelligence- again, the same office Sue and Dan just resigned from.
9/9- CNN breaks a story, Putin has publicly outed the identity of a former CIA asset, extradited from russia in 2017. Said asset is living in Washington DC and may now be a target. Worth noting that Putin has been hunting former moles for the past year and absolutely is responsible for several killings and attempted killings in the UK of similar former agents.
9/10- National Security Advisor John Bolton attempts to resign. Trump fires him instead.
9/13- Schiff goes public with a complaint that ODNI is illegally witholding a whistleblower complaint from house intelligence.
Can anyone seriously look at this timeline and say there's "nothing there" or that Trump pressuring Zelensky (which Guiliani and Trump freely admit to while trying their damndest to keep the complaint from congress) is even the biggest thing in the complaint?
For option 4 he also had people commit crimes to get to this point so...definitely a big brain moment.Let's for a moment pretend this is a coordinated, intelligent and well running plan from the White House. There were several options:
1) Refuse to release the report in clear violation of the law. This risks impeachment proceeding because, again, THAT is totally illegal. The contents of the actual whistle blower report is irrelevant at that point, tbh. You do nothing, he's getting impeached because we pretty much have the votes, and even the bluest of blue dog is not going to go to bat for this president protecting himself in clear violation of the law.
2) Try to release the "transcript" that doesn't actually exist. Use hat as your talking point. Again, though, the House has signaled that is not sufficient, and you have the Senate on the record as saying, no, they want the actual report. This doesn't lessen the probability of impeachment in any appreciable way. You're still boned. You're still breaking the law, because, again, you are required to release this to congress.
3) Go ahead and release the thing, and hope that you can spin it in such a way where you can say "I didn't LITERALLY say no money if they don't investigate Biden." Because Trump is an idiot, he probably thinks the only crime here was if he used very specific wording. Probably because he watches Matlock, and he's been coached for years by his lawyers on how to avoid white collar crime by being vague. The extortion is not the high crime here, it's even requesting someone investigate a political rival. This is probably your best hope at avoiding impeachment, because you can kinda hope people can wiggle around and justify it. It's the best GOP defense for this. And it's still shitty because, again, the extortion is not the totality of the crime here. And you can even add the fact that it's only Trump who thinks this clears him, no one else.
We actually watched them, in real time today, go from 1-2-3, when they realized that we weren't playing RuPauls best friend race with this. Plus, the actual ability of THIS white house to keep a secret for longer than 9 minutes (8 if Fox and Friends is on) is like less likely than me going to Hooters.
or secret option 4
4) Somehow, Trump got the President of Ukraine, the IG, the whistleblower, the Democrats,the media, the Senate, and all the rest to buy into a story that he tried to do the thing he said he did....but only as a way to "get" the media and the libs. Secretly, the orange shitgibbon is a genius who, although unable to read a teleprompter without sounding like a Xanaxed moron, is able to literally con EVERYONE in Democratic leadership. The same folks who have been dragging their feet on this for months.
I think it's pretty clear which is the most likely..Occam's Razor, etc.
I've seen a couple of people ask about whether the WH even having access to the complaint is suspicious and just watched Schiff say it is. He said it was wildly inappropriate and that we shouldn't trust anything that comes from them.
Oh man, Coats is the whistleblower isn't he??? :P
PlzPlzPlzPlzPlz
The court of appeals could strike down the ACA in its entirety any day now.
I was about to say that feels long overdue, wasn't it supposed to happen by nowThe court of appeals could strike down the ACA in its entirety any day now.
Yeah, they have no other option but number 3. Release it and try to spin it and hope for the best.Let's for a moment pretend this is a coordinated, intelligent and well running plan from the White House. There were several options:
1) Refuse to release the report in clear violation of the law. This risks impeachment proceeding because, again, THAT is totally illegal. The contents of the actual whistle blower report is irrelevant at that point, tbh. You do nothing, he's getting impeached because we pretty much have the votes, and even the bluest of blue dog is not going to go to bat for this president protecting himself in clear violation of the law.
2) Try to release the "transcript" that doesn't actually exist. Use hat as your talking point. Again, though, the House has signaled that is not sufficient, and you have the Senate on the record as saying, no, they want the actual report. This doesn't lessen the probability of impeachment in any appreciable way. You're still boned. You're still breaking the law, because, again, you are required to release this to congress.
3) Go ahead and release the thing, and hope that you can spin it in such a way where you can say "I didn't LITERALLY say no money if they don't investigate Biden." Because Trump is an idiot, he probably thinks the only crime here was if he used very specific wording. Probably because he watches Matlock, and he's been coached for years by his lawyers on how to avoid white collar crime by being vague. The extortion is not the high crime here, it's even requesting someone investigate a political rival. This is probably your best hope at avoiding impeachment, because you can kinda hope people can wiggle around and justify it. It's the best GOP defense for this. And it's still shitty because, again, the extortion is not the totality of the crime here. And you can even add the fact that it's only Trump who thinks this clears him, no one else.
We actually watched them, in real time today, go from 1-2-3, when they realized that we weren't playing RuPauls best friend race with this. Plus, the actual ability of THIS white house to keep a secret for longer than 9 minutes (8 if Fox and Friends is on) is like less likely than me going to Hooters.
or secret option 4
4) Somehow, Trump got the President of Ukraine, the IG, the whistleblower, the Democrats,the media, the Senate, and all the rest to buy into a story that he tried to do the thing he said he did....but only as a way to "get" the media and the libs. Secretly, the orange shitgibbon is a genius who, although unable to read a teleprompter without sounding like a Xanaxed moron, is able to literally con EVERYONE in Democratic leadership. The same folks who have been dragging their feet on this for months.
I think it's pretty clear which is the most likely..Occam's Razor, etc.
And that's why I posted that link earlier. Barr will do everything possible, including breaking the law, to protect Trump. This is an administration that changes Trump's daily transcript on a regular basis. The fact that the DOJ has already been talking to the whistleblower's lawyers about "executive privilege" is absurd.
It is possible to be excited Pelosi moved forward but hesitant to believe this administration will do anything ethical to help the process forward.
You just made my heart drop through the floor.The court of appeals could strike down the ACA in its entirety any day now.
Trump will tweet out a ransom note. "drop THEWICH HUNT or I'll get rid of OBAMA CARE"The court of appeals could strike down the ACA in its entirety any day now.
John Roberts @johnrobertsFox
A Senior Administration Official tells @FoxNews that if it is legally possible to release the whistleblower complaint to Congress, the @WhiteHouse will do it ASAP
8:20 PM - Sep 24, 2019
Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
It's legally required. Executive privilege is not an acceptable excuse to withhold the whistleblower complaint in this scenario. https://twitter.com/johnrobertsfox/status/1176652709577056256 …
8:21 PM - Sep 24, 2019
Great post breaking it all down. You need to post more; haven't seen you lately!Might be worth revisiting the timeline here. (apologies to whoever I saw this one from before on here, this thread moves too fast).
7/24- Trump has phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky. One week prior he instructed mulvaney to ensure a 400 million aid package approved by congress doesn't get to Ukraine.
7/28- Trump announces that Dan Coats, Director of National Intelligence is stepping down. This is read as Trump forcing out Coats, the two haven't been seeing eye to eye.
7/31- Trump has a phone call with Putin. This is the the one that was supposedly about "vast wildfires affecting siberia."
8/3- Trump requests a list of all active top spies from the office of the director of national intelligence. Remember, this is Coats' office and Coats is on his way out.
8/7- Jon Huntsman abruptly resigns his position as US abassador to Russia, presumably to "spend time with family."
8/8- (and this is the weird one) CNN reports that on 8/8 Coats interrupts a meeting that his deputy Sue Gordon was giving on election security to convince her that she should resign. Sue Gordon is a well respected 30 year veteran of the intelligence community. Whatever Coats said to her, her plans "change suddenly" and she issues her resignation on the spot within minutes of this discussion, resigning in tandem with Coats.
8/12- A Whistleblower issues a formal complaint about Trump's behavior to the office of the director of national intelligence- again, the same office Sue and Dan just resigned from.
9/9- CNN breaks a story, Putin has publicly outed the identity of a former CIA asset, extradited from russia in 2017. Said asset is living in Washington DC and may now be a target. Worth noting that Putin has been hunting former moles for the past year and absolutely is responsible for several killings and attempted killings in the UK of similar former agents.
9/10- National Security Advisor John Bolton attempts to resign. Trump fires him instead.
9/13- Schiff goes public with a complaint that ODNI is illegally witholding a whistleblower complaint from house intelligence.
Can anyone seriously look at this timeline and say there's "nothing there" or that Trump pressuring Zelensky (which Guiliani and Trump freely admit to while trying their damndest to keep the complaint from congress) is even the biggest thing in the complaint?
Ya, and even that is a really huge longshot. But, it's prolly better to rip the bandaid off and just hope for the best.Yeah, they have no other option but number 3. Release it and try to spin it and hope for the best.
Great post breaking it all down. You need to post more; haven't seen you lately!
Fuck it, I liked your Coats whistleblower post too. It's probably him or another high ranking official. I bet money that's why this is moving so fast. Would they do all this so quickly if it were just some rank and file employee?honestly I don't get credit for this. Someone else put 3/4ths of that timeline together a few days ago. I just can't recall who.
She knows she is fucked. I think she got blindsided by this, as did apparently other Senators like Kennedy who made a giant fool of himself on CHUCK FUCKING TODD. At least Simply Susan has the sense not to say anything right away. She's not stupid; she's just a terrible person.