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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening

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Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bernard bros (some not even in this country!) are really coming out here, aren't they? Scared that your candidate literally has no path because the majority of people who voted for him in 2016, myself included, jumped ship? Time to blame the elitists and forum "haters" now!

WolverinesFather said:
honestly, I started writing about my concerns with the cult of trump, and the lack of accountability, and the next election. Then could see how paranoid I'm starting to sound.

I currently own a home, so it wouldn't be too bad to upgrade while prices are high. I can take a hit on the new one if the market takes a dive, we plan on staying there for a long time.
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If you already own a home in the area, then I see no reason why not to get one except to maybe wait to see if rates go down. But rates are already really low and you can always refinance.
 
legacyzero

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Aaron said:
supported Bernie in 2016. His staff were fucking morons then and are fucking morons now.
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If you truly supported Sanders in 2016, youd know that he was under constant disingenuous attacks from media types and Hillary crats. That staff served as the counter balance in a country that doesnt want his policies for obvious reasons

But yall are mad that Bernie has a staff that knows how to clap back.

Its "bitch eating crackers" level petty honestly.
 
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Gyro Zeppeli

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Aaron said:
I supported Bernie in 2016. His staff were fucking morons then and are fucking morons now.

If you want to know why Bernie won 42% of the vote and is barely polling north of 15% now, it's people like me. Sorry not sorry.
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He's polling much less now because the race's support is split to several candidates. Biden is taking the lead by name recognition. The rest are getting as much of the support as they can. You make it sound like Bernie is doing so badly, yet he is one of three candidates that have much of the support. Harris, Buttigieg, and Beto aren't going to get the nomination. When the race is between the three who will inevitably be the last ones remaining -- Biden, Warren, and Bernie -- Bernie will poll much higher.
 
Maxim726x

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Blader said:
I don't know who Warren's campaign manager is off the top of my head they're never inserting themselves into Twitter spats like others. On the other hand, I do know that Kamala's main spokesperson is Ian Sams, solely because he's always getting into Twitter fights.
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This. They shouldn't be public figures, and they certainly shouldn't be engaging in mud-slinging on fucking Twitter. Under any circumstance.

legacyzero said:
If you

truly supported Sanders in 2016, youd know that he was under constant disingenuous attacks from media types and Hillary crats. That staff served as the counter balance in a country that doesnt want his policies for obvious reasons

But yall are mad that Bernie has a staff that knows how to clap back.

Its "bitch eating crackers" level petty honestly.
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I see this defense often- What makes you think that he was unfairly treated by the media in 2016? If anything, they reported on unforced errors or whatever chicanery was going on in NV. I mean, if you want to make the argument that he was largely ignored I'll buy into it but unfairly treated? Nah.
 
Meauxse

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legacyzero said:
Implying you like anything about him. I've seen you post literally anything positive about the man.

Edit: never
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Warren and Bernie share a lot of the same platform, right? So what's the differentiation?

For me, it is most certainly about demeanor, message, and who the candidate surrounds them self with. I think I would support Sanders more if they made more good decisions, but he can't get out of his own way, especially when hiring. Having an advisor set that does nothing but poke fires on the internet is not someone that I want to hold the White House, especially after our current clusterf in the executive branch.

But you know this. Or should be self-aware of how your candidate is perceived.
 
loquaciousJenny

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jeff Weaver wasn't hired because he counter balances anything, he was hired because he was loyal and it was to Bernie's detriment.

Since when is whining on social media clapping back
 
metalslimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh give me a fucking break. AOC also had shitty staff early on and she was rightfully called on it. You know what she did a smart person? She canned them and kept it moving because they were distracting from her actual goals. Bernie never relents and just hires people who constantly stir up shit. It's a part of his whole anti establishment persona.
 
Kangi

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Man who had no path continues to have no path because he literally changed nothing, fervent few quintuple down while better candidate siphons off the rest. Who could've seen it coming
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

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Linkura said:
Bernard bros (some not even in this country!) are really coming out here, aren't they? Scared that your candidate literally has no path because the majority of people who voted for him in 2016, myself included, jumped ship? Time to blame the elitists and forum "haters" now!
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Ah yes, a "former supporter" reciting the "bro" narrative lol

hE hAS No pAth ForWArD
 
OmniOne

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legacyzero said:
Implying you like anything about him. I've seen you post literally anything positive about the man.
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Things I like about Bernie:
1.He's united my best girlfriend, a Bernie voter in 16 and myself a Clinton voter in 16 in both supporting Warren.


Are you going to respond about why you, at best, erroneously claimed Bernie was leading CA, CO, NV and NH?

The aggregate doesn't show Warren leading all those states at present, but you don't see us going around saying it.
 
Blader

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OmniOne said:
I think it is the inverse of this. We think the staff discredits what we may like about the man.
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This is for sure true, I definitely like Bernie himself more than I like many of the people around him lol

legacyzero said:
You skated by my original point in the post, didnt even address it, then posted that in bad faith. Yes, you're trolling.

Considering I was banned in this thread for the same kind of posting just two weeks ago. Yes.

The point is in the post. And you selective quoted that line. The point is that Sanders has a long history of principled stances, but admittedly some short falls. Era majorly hates him. Warren pulls the same stuff, arguably more egregious, and you're all in. Its puzzling
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Maybe not all shortcomings are created equal, and that some of the issues people have with Bernie are more rooted in policy, tactics, and things he or his staff have said/done now rather than shit like his choice for president 40 years ago. For instance, I think it's a major problem that Bernie inexplicably believes in preserving the filibuster because that is going to be a major deal-breaking hindrance to getting any progressive legislative agenda passed. It's probably the biggest issue I have with Bernie's candidacy and he has no good answer to it other than "well we'll just abuse the hell out of reconciliation", which would be fairly limited in scope by comparison. I really don't see that as less egregious than anything you're charging Warren with as problematic. It's also something happening right NOW. To me that makes it a bigger problem than, say, Bernie voting for the '94 crime bill (even though as far as in-the-past shortcomings go that one was certainly more consequential than Elizabeth Warren's party registration circa 1980).

Also, people here did give Warren a lot of grief about the Native ancestry/DNA test controversy -- it was cheerfully named as her self-inflicted tactical nuke!

lmcfigs said:
Faiz Shakir is Bernie's campaign manager fyi
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And I applauded that hire back when it was announced!
 
lmcfigs

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Idk can we concede that saying Bernie supporters hate black women is not a good thing. and that a black woman working for his campaign is allowed to express her dissatisfaction with that statement? like that's a very shitty thing to do.
 
LegendofJoe

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The Bernie bickering is tiring. He's just one man, an old one at that. I'm happy that he invigorated the left leaning youth in the US, but we don't need him to press the fight. Its okay to not feel personally attacked whenever a criticism you don't agree with is levied at him.
 
OmniOne

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Blader said:
Also, people here did give Warren a lot of grief about the Native ancestry/DNA test controversy -- it was cheerfully named as her self-inflicted tactical nuke!
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Like she was roasted hardcore everywhere. No one from the campaign was screaming about unfair media treatment, or clapping back on twitter. Run your damn campaign.
 
Kusagari

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Faiz is a good example of what Nina, Brie and Sirota should be. He's able to be aggressive without coming off as a jackass.
 
Kangi

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I was eating up the Warren self-tactical-nuke stuff and loving the random Jimmy Carter comparisons people were doing

Months later, big supporter of her. Amazing what being a good candidate with a good campaign can accomplish
 
platypotamus

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The current occupant of the white house is pressuring another country to help cheat another election, no one is doing shit about it, but we're back on our 2016 primary bullshit again
 
Tfritz

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lmcfigs said:
Idk can we concede that saying Bernie supporters hate black women is not a good thing. and that a black woman working for his campaign is allowed to express her dissatisfaction with that statement? like that's a very shitty thing to do.
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it's not a good thing, i'd go so far as to say it's A Bad Thing, and at the risk of whatabouting: this specific conversation was because sanders's supporters were criticizing a trans woman expressed for her dissatisfaction with sanders not attending an lgbtq specific event (and currently planning on skipping the next) he was invited to.
 
lmcfigs

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Blader said:
This is for sure true, I definitely like Bernie himself more than I like many of the people around him lol


Maybe not all shortcomings are created equal, and that some of the issues people have with Bernie are more rooted in policy, tactics, and things he or his staff have said/done now rather than shit like his choice for president 40 years ago. For instance, I think it's a major problem that Bernie inexplicably believes in preserving the filibuster because that is going to be a major deal-breaking hindrance to getting any progressive legislative agenda passed. It's probably the biggest issue I have with Bernie's candidacy and he has no good answer to it other than "well we'll just abuse the hell out of reconciliation", which would be fairly limited in scope by comparison. I really don't see that as less egregious than anything you're charging Warren with as a problematic. It's also something happening right NOW. To me that makes it a bigger problem than, say, Bernie voting for the '94 crime bill (even though as far as in-the-past shortcomings go that one was certainly more consequential than Elizabeth Warren's party registration circa 1980).

Also, people here did give Warren a lot of grief about the Native ancestry/DNA test controversy -- it was cheerfully named as her self-inflicted tactical nuke!


And I applauded that hire back when it was announced!
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I know! It's unfortunate that people have this idea that "well I know Nina and David Sirota and they make me uncomfortable so that's basically his campaign".
 
Haubergeon

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Mercury Fred said:
Actually it is.
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I'd love for this to be the case, but when you get away from certain social issues and discussion of pop-culture, political discussions here devolve into "fuck you, got mine" incredibly fast. Not to mention the general apathy towards discussions of imperialism or environmental issues whenever those threads pop up, or how even the supposedly incredibly woke posters that wag fingers at the Socialists of the forum openly support the stripping of the franchise from the (predominantly people of color) incarcerated population. Era is very center-left.
 
Aaron

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Andington said:
He's polling much less now because the race's support is split to several candidates. Biden is taking the lead by name recognition. The rest are getting as much of the support as they can. You make it sound like Bernie is doing so badly, yet he is one of three candidates that have much of the support. Harris, Buttigieg, and Beto aren't going to get the nomination. When the race is between the three who will inevitably be the last ones remaining -- Biden, Warren, and Bernie -- Bernie will poll much higher.
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Biden and Sanders have similar name recognition. Knowing that, Sanders' performance thus far is pathetic. Biden's isn't all that great either, but he's at least winning.

The only candidates whose performances I find genuinely impressive are Warren (who unlike pretty much anyone else has spent the entire primary climbing her way to the top rather than losing supporters) and Buttigieg (who is punching far above his weight as mayor of a small city in Indiana).

Also not convinced at all that this comes down to a "top three" the way you think it will. If Bernie or Warren is #3 to the other's #2, the #3 candidate will drop like a rock in the interest of beating Biden.
 
Chitown B

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patientzero said:
All of this has a simple solution. If a random Twitter account (I realize Silver's bigger than that, but it's not just him), idiot on the street, almost completely unwatched local anchor, etc. says something that you, as a national campaign, don't like, the key is to be Don Draper -

i+feel+bad+for+you+I+don't+think+about+you+at+all.jpg


To give a specific example, back in 2004 I attended a local rally where John Kerry was speaking. It was at an old, defunct stadium that only saw use for local fair shit and high school games. There were thousands in attendance, all for Kerry.

Except for one family, 4-5 people, outside the stadium with signs against abortion. 4-5 people, among thousands. You know what we did? Ignored them. They didn't matter. Addressing them only made us look petty and distracted, and we were there for better things.

Only one person ever addressed them, and he did so by being as loud as he could be, dropping "fuck yous" around a stadium with a lot of kids. You know which Kerry supporter we all hated that day? The guy who couldn't say in his head, "I don't think about you at all."
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Good point. It may be cathartic to respond, but it does more harm than good. They don't matter.
 
Blader

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Chitown B said:
Bernie has 10 others to contend with. in 2016 it was just one.
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I touched on this earlier, but how much does that actually matter? Most of these candidates are at low single digits, if not 0%. Bernie came into the race with the second highest name ID and one of the biggest political networks, if not the biggest, in the country. And his current polling average is 25 points lower than his 2016 outcome. That's bleeding a lot of voters to a lot of also-rans!

lmcfigs said:
Idk can we concede that saying Bernie supporters hate black women is not a good thing. and that a black woman working for his campaign is allowed to express her dissatisfaction with that statement? like that's a very shitty thing to do.
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For sure. Like I mentioned, as someone who is not a Brie fan, I didn't see any issue with her statement. Generalizing a bulk of Bernie supporters as anti-black, anti-women, anti-trans bigots is bad for a bunch of reaosns.

lmcfigs said:
I know! It's unfortunate that people have this idea that "well I know Nina and David Sirota and they make me uncomfortable so that's basically his campaign".
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well yes, I guess it is unfortunate that a campaign can become defined by some of its most public voices, but I think that gets at a core criticism of Bernie's campaign, both in 2016 and now: his hiring choices for these public voices. It's not like Turner and Sirota just willed themselves into these jobs without the candidate's knowledge.
 
FreezePeach

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platypotamus said:
The current occupant of the white house is pressuring another country to help cheat another election, no one is doing shit about it, but we're back on our 2016 primary bullshit again
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i'm a firm believer in the 'most humans can't handle modern democracy' theory. Social Media and the internet has wrecked everything, and gave a platform to the mentally ill.
 
Maxim726x

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loquaciousJenny said:
All these people in billionaire threads daydreaming about guillotines and eating the rich are def center-left
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Anyway, what is the recourse for Dems if McConnell refuses to release the transcripts from the call? Are there any?

Are we just gonna have to accept that these are likely going to remain a secret for the rest of his term?
 

Snowy

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omg, she was asking for it am I right? Fucking evil centrist who is not misinformed but trying to smear Saint Bernard.
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I don't care that she criticized him, but she criticized him and his supporters for demonstrably false and bad reasons. She deserves a clap back, and what is she "asking" for that is so bad, one day where her menchies are a little rough? Give me a break.
 
plagiarize

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I welcomed Sanders into this primary, where my wife wished he wouldn't get involved. Honestly, I just don't think he's that strong a candidate to stand out enough in a field, and if he is, all the better. I find his focus on a few talking points frustrating, but I don't disagree with those talking points.

He's shown me nothing to change my mind about his strength as a candidate when he isn't A: being helped by decades of attacks against his opponent and B: literally being helped by a foreign government. Obviously for the people who built a cult of personality around him (a minority of his supporters), this has been pretty brutal so far, and obviously, it can't be their candidate (or the campaign he's built up around himself) that's the problem.

I'd take him over Biden without needing a second to consider it. He's comfortably polling ahead of my favored candidate.

Warren and Biden (and Beto and Buttigieg for that matter) have been attacked more often than Sanders, but I guess for some the persecution complex really runs that deeply. Trump only seems to mention Bernie to hurt the DNC.
 
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