US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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Eh. I'd prefer him to spend it than horde it. He could spend five times that and still not win the primary. But there'd be less money sitting around doing nothing.
Politics isnt the utopia we all want to imagine. No doubt, Bernie's policies are magical, wonderful life affirming greatness that will make everything great again.....Problem is that's not how the world works. You need the inspiration combined with the realism for dems to gain ground. Repubs went all in on just fiction bullshit. Dems unfortunately, by their nature, can't buy into that scheme.
Endorsements are never that simple.
But, at the same time, there really is no evidence that a ton of "4D Chess" is involved either.
This WaPo article nailed it a month ago:
I didn't watch the debate nor plan to, but it's all in the game. A sordid game, but the game. At this stage, be combative. Keep educating, keep preaching, and keep telling them, the media, to fuck off. Make sure the message remains focused on the fact that the people have been getting suckered for their entire lives and paying more for less, far less.
It’s bothersome that we have all these problems in the country and world and as “liberals” people go out of their way to waste millions. is there a case to be made that the money spent helped open people to impeachment?
What's up with the making arguments no one is actually making? I don't doubt AOC thinks Bernie has the best magical 0 minute abs. She's an intelligent person, she has her own autonomy. I think she's wrong, but such is life.
I also don't get this idea that we're all just LIVID up in here that she endorsed. Literally,.....I don't think anyone is gonna lose sleep over it. Good for Bernie. I don't think the endorsement changes too much, but good for him. He clearly wanted it, and got the endorsement.
This idea that we're all just soooooo absorbed with our preferred candidate that we just melt....is weird to me.
I also don't get this idea that we're all just LIVID up in here that she endorsed. Literally,.....I don't think anyone is gonna lose sleep over it. Good for Bernie. I don't think the endorsement changes too much, but good for him. He clearly wanted it, and got the endorsement.
This idea that we're all just soooooo absorbed with our preferred candidate that we just melt....is weird to me.
maybe for unions and political orgs. I mean a politician endorsing another politician...? I mean maybe it is as simple as ideological proximity.
That was her attempt. She constantly brought up a couple of anecdotes of people on the trail that had what they thought was good insurance but didn't, in really, have enough coverage. And she brought up the statistic that 2 out of 3 people that went into bankruptcy over medical bills and issues had insurance.
She seemed to still get a little rattled and started every statement with, "Costs will go down!"
She really should hone in on the specific point you've brought up about the media's angles and the true total cost of healthcare. But it's insanely hard to do with 12 people talking all at once.
Yes, but I wasn't going to say it. I was raised right. I only talk about people behind their backs. My momma taught me well.
The issue is people seem to think that the race is between Warren and Bernie and it isn't. there are realistically 3 or 4 candidates all facing eachother and only 1 of them will win. The one with the most support. It's more complicated than just who has the best policies.
Gotta say, kind of like how Royalan has brought up how the media and people treat Harris and Warren differently for similar stuff...
Pete was being a straight up dickhead tonight. Like, all night. But he didn't get nearly as much hate for it that Castro got for his Biden clash.
He even got praised for it.
Pete was being a straight up dickhead tonight. Like, all night. But he didn't get nearly as much hate for it that Castro got for his Biden clash.
He even got praised for it.
in 24 hours there were nearly 40 pages. Nothing changed. It's absurd.
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You know there are those of us in here who support Warren and Bernie right?
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Warren and Bernie, with a little of Booker thrown in.
Pete, Klob and Biden looked awful.
As long as there are 40 billion candidates on the stage, you'll never get extended moments to hear what people have to say. Debates will be nothing more than shouty theatre until there's time to sit down and talk like adults.
What was the context here? I missed the last hour.
Biden said that he was the only one to have ever achieved anything (lol).
Warren talked about getting the CFPB from an idea she had in a paper to a new Federal agency.
Biden the proceeded to take credit.
She threw a bit of shade, rightly so.
He decided he would be condescending and continued to interrupt her.
Women don't respond favourably to this, because all of the above happens to them a lot.
I wish that clip included Biden boasting he's the only person on the stage who accomplished anything big. And the response that prompted Biden to start yelling.
The impeachment question did absolutely nothing at the debate.
Pretty much everyone agreed he should be impeached/removed and moved on lol! Surprised no one took shots at Gabbard or Pete about being squeamish on impeachment at the onset.
Audience wasn't reacting much to the response either.
Pretty much everyone agreed he should be impeached/removed and moved on lol! Surprised no one took shots at Gabbard or Pete about being squeamish on impeachment at the onset.
Audience wasn't reacting much to the response either.
People just used it for their opening statements about taking on trump lmao. what a waste of time. NYT sucked ass
I do hate how taxes=BAD in this country. Probably why a lot of good stuff doesn't get done.
It is clear that Warren is trying to court liberals/leftists while also trying to not scare off too many moderate Dems, and so far that plan appears to be....working, at least according to the latest polls. So I do not see her strategy (re: the tax question) as completely misguided. It's sort of a "damned if you, damned if you don't" type situation. There's no perfect solution, but her's could use some improving.
At the same time, I do think that when candidates and pundits try to get Warren to say the magic words that they are doing the republicans jobs for them.
I do like how Sanders tries to upend that "taxes = BAD" notion by basically saying "Yes, I'll raise taxes, and it'll be worth it." Which, although, is expected him because if you're already calling yourself a socialist, ain't no point in beating around the bush when it comes to raising taxes.
It is clear that Warren is trying to court liberals/leftists while also trying to not scare off too many moderate Dems, and so far that plan appears to be....working, at least according to the latest polls. So I do not see her strategy (re: the tax question) as completely misguided. It's sort of a "damned if you, damned if you don't" type situation. There's no perfect solution, but her's could use some improving.
At the same time, I do think that when candidates and pundits try to get Warren to say the magic words that they are doing the republicans jobs for them.
I do like how Sanders tries to upend that "taxes = BAD" notion by basically saying "Yes, I'll raise taxes, and it'll be worth it." Which, although, is expected him because if you're already calling yourself a socialist, ain't no point in beating around the bush when it comes to raising taxes.
This and her stance on immigration is gonna throw a lot of question marks on many voters; I hope she improves down the road on these policies. She's nuanced on economic policy but superficial on foreign and immigration policy.
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I mean...a lot of the voting base nationwide wants us out of the middle east.
It's not as simplified as what that person stated.
Warren made it clear that there was a right way and a wrong way to pull troops out. Trump did it the wrong way. Ideally US shouldn't be as involved in the Middle East but this case was an egregious foreign policy failure because it specifically betrays American allies.
Now the person who was really being disingenuous about all of this was Gabbard and something that Pete leapt at the chance to destroy her over it.
Yeah, that was definitely a lowlight for her. Same damn thing that concerns me about Bernie.
Thanks!
I love the way she timed her response.
“I am deeply grateful...”
Biden perks up a bit, like he’s really hoping she’ll praise him.
“...to President Obama.”
So good.
Bernie supporter and Bernie Bro are two different things. You can be the former without going insane and self-creating a cult of personality like the latter does.
10:49 is where Biden says he's the only person up there who has ever achieved anything big, and Warren's response that prompted Biden begins at 13:58. Rewatching it confirms just how unprovoked it was.
That COH for Biden is baaaaad. I might be wrong, but it basically means that a Warren win is inevitable right?
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It kinda is helping solidify it yeah.
He's not the frontrunner anymore, which Kirblar will back me up will make him drop like a rock in the polls.
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