US PoliEra 2019 |OT9| I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter nearly enough to understand all the references

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adam387

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So, like, I don't mean to be dismissive...but the Squad is a handful of congresswomen who are from safe blue districts, in a caucus of over 200 members. They're currently not in leadership, so the extent by which any President, from Warren to Klob will work with them is.....not really that big of a thing? They're not going to be introducing the "big bills," as most of them are freshman congress members. They may work together IF they introduce a specific piece of legislation, but, at best, it'd be a photo op situation. (And, yes, I know the Green New Deal. But any signature piece of legislation is going to be rolled out in a bigly way once we have a Dem President.)

This isn't to say they won't do things, but I think the idea of the President, whoever she may be, feeling the need to listen to these folks (Irrespective of how awesome/smart/progressive they are) is kinda waaaaaay inside the bubble.
 

Crocodile

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So...what's going on in Canada? There elections were today right? Did the Liberals preserve even after Trudeau kind of messed things up or are they headed towards 10,000 years of darkness?

Also, the situation in Chile seems extreme if it was just a function of transit rates. Am I missing something there?
 

LordByron28

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Like polls have shown, a lot of Bernie supporters think Bernie invented progressivism or is the only one responsible for the current wave of focused on the working class, when it’s clear to most who have followed politics since before 2016 that Warren was also instrumental in pushing the subject and democratic politics to the left.

Heck, like that Tweet said, Occupy Wall Street is the real cause.

But since many people hoped into politics with Bernie in 2016, and Warren sat out 2016, Bernie gets all the credit. So anyone who is also pushing the boundaries of political discourse to the left, is being called a copy cat.
I found the connection drawn between OWS and Warren really interesting. I said on multiple occasions that I felt Bernie was the first politician to try and capitalize on the OWS movement and mobilize them into a voting bloc. Looks like Warren in many ways was the one that planted the seed and will hopefully reap the benefits in 2020. I hope Bernie spends more of his time finding and fostering more progressives like the Squad for Congress, state and local level politics. If he truly believes in his values and "his revolution". He needs to start at the bottom. I know there are things like the Justice Democrats, A Brand New Congress, Swing Left, Our Revolution, etc. Which are all progressive pacs designed to get more progressive voices in congress. However, I feel if Bernie held a lot of rallies nationwide in 2022 propping up candidates that share similar views to him. He could help his movement in more ways than all of those pacs could. I feel the Squad is proof of where I think Bernie has potential to really shine. Bernie Sanders may not be president but Elizabeth Warren is pretty damn great herself. If she has a more progressive/democratic congress and state/local level politics to work with. It will be easier to see real change. In addition, the leftists need to not just narrow in on unseating Blue dog Democrats and blatantly corrupt Democrats seats but also work on areas in the Sun, Rust and Corn belt and try flipping those red districts.
 

adam387

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So...what's going on in Canada? There elections were today right? Did the Liberals preserve even after Trudeau kind of messed things up or are they headed towards 10,000 years of darkness?

Also, the situation in Chile seems extreme if it was just a function of transit rates. Am I missing something there?
Canadian election is tomorrow, and appears to be a squeaker.
 

Crocodile

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Canadian Elections are tomorrow? I guess that explains why I felt I didn't hear that much about them today. I would have thought that would be all over my twitter feed normally.

Ok so for those up to date on Chilean politics, can someone give me a rundown of what going on? "30 years of neoliberalism" doesn't really tell me anything LOL.
 

shinra-bansho

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Most Congresspeople are nobodies to the Admin lol.

Also Medicare for All... Bill of 2019 is absolutely nothing more than a framework lol.
 

cameron

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So...what's going on in Canada? There elections were today right? Did the Liberals preserve even after Trudeau kind of messed things up or are they headed towards 10,000 years of darkness?
Canadian Elections are tomorrow? I guess that explains why I felt I didn't hear that much about them today. I would have thought that would be all over my twitter feed normally.
Yea, it's tomorrow (Oct 21). There's also advanced voting.

Seat projections from most pollsters leans toward a Liberal minority government (Trudeau currently holds a majority with 177 seats).


 

guilhermessg

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Canadian Elections are tomorrow? I guess that explains why I felt I didn't hear that much about them today. I would have thought that would be all over my twitter feed normally.

Ok so for those up to date on Chilean politics, can someone give me a rundown of what going on? "30 years of neoliberalism" doesn't really tell me anything LOL.
things have been bad there for years (even if the economy was good for a while), inequality is high, public services are terrible, right-wing government doesn't help in shit, people are fed up and started to do radicalized protests.
 

loquaciousJenny

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I awake in a cold sweat on the anniversary of my ban, the air is heavy and I can instantly tell that something is amiss. I rush to my phone to find the news. The front page of era stares back "We Welcome TootsTootsGabby to the Mod Team"
I gasp, "how can this be happening."
I rush to the search bar, nothing could have prepared me for what came next.

User: xXHildawg2020Xx
Banned: Alt Account
User: ElizabethForERA
Banned: Alt Account

How could she have known.
 

Aaron

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Minneapolis

MN Star Tribune polls:

Biden 50, Trump 38
Warren 51, Trump 40
Sanders 49, Trump 40
Klob 55, Trump 38


Impeach 47/48
Trump approval 40/56
Adorable that Trump thinks he’d win the state after he lost it last time.

Interesting too that there are less undecideds with Warren and Trump, and her lead is only a point shy of Biden’s.

But what’s really fascinating is how closely the 2020 trial heats mirror what we saw last year. Every Democrat here is roughly on par with Walz and Smith’s performances, except Klobuchar (who does significantly better but doesn’t quite meet her Senate margin, which makes sense when you consider people would be likelier to split their tickets for a Senate race than the presidency).

Because if that holds up nationally, Trump is in some rooough shape. The Democratic wave was huge in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and while Wisconsin was closer in some ways (Walker’s small loss for example), its federal election results (the generic House ballot and Baldwin’s re-election) were also heavily Democratic.

That alone would doom his re-election chances, then throw Arizona, Florida, Iowa and North Carolina into the mix.
 

shinra-bansho

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Last Suffolk was after Harris had her blip.

Biden might do well from her demise.
Or Warren.

Sanders was in fourth. I think he'll still be in fourth. But with Buttigieg in third.
 
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Kind of random question, but something reminded me yesterday of the controversy around evolution and teaching "intelligent design" in classrooms. I didn't pay as much attention to politics then, but I remember it being one of the big controversies of the mid-00's.

So, uh, what happened there? I never see it discussed at all anymore. Was it not as significant as I remember it or did people just kinda move on? And what is being taught in classrooms now
 

lenovox1

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One of Warren's greatest strengths is her passion about bankruptcy and family finances, which lines up perfectly with Romney's greatest weakness of being an out-of-touch vulture capitalist. Romney and Trump are probably two of her dream opponents.
Right. Romney only relates to moderately conservative high earners. There's maybe, what, five of those?
 

yogurt

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We have can private insurance and M4A. It does not have to be an either or approach. There are many other countries with both systems setup and they do fine.
I know that, and I hope she goes that route because eliminating private insurance, whether right or wrong, is general election poison.

I'm not confident she will, though. I'm worried she'll follow Sanders to make sure she doesn't get needled from the left. If she poison pills herself I have no idea who my second choice of nominee would be.
 

kalindana

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The poll, taken Wednesday through Friday, put Biden at 18%, Warren at 17% and Buttigieg at 13% among 500 likely Democratic caucusgoers.
Those standings reflect significant changes since the Suffolk/USA TODAY poll taken in Iowa at the end of June, when Biden led Warren by double digits and Buttigieg trailed at a distant 6%. California Sen. Kamala Harris, who was then in second place after a strong showing in the first Democratic debate, has plummeted 13 percentage points and is now in a three-way tie for sixth. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders earned 9% support, the same number as in the June poll.
Biden was by far the candidate seen as doing worse than expected in the debate, cited by 1 in 4 poll respondents. Among debate-watchers only, Buttigieg held a narrow lead in the poll, at 19%. Biden and Warren were tied at 17%.
There were other signs of a friendly political landscape for Buttigieg and Warren in the poll. They led the field as the second choice of respondents; Warren was picked by 22% and Buttigieg by 14%.
 
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Pete going into the moderate lane with a fuck ton of money to define himself in IA is a problem for Warren & white educated voters and Biden.

Among Democratic caucusgoers who said the economy is the most important issue affecting their support, Buttigieg topped the field yet again with 20%, followed by Biden and Warren, tied at 11%.
This seems less than optimal for Bernie/Warren.
 

Eric_S

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Speaking of Pete:



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Who does Tulsi suck up voters from, that makes Pete interested in protecting her? Or is that a pure power move to cash in on animosity towards Clinton? A third point that I've missed?

I'm not impressed, either way.
 

SSF1991

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It's like these candidates don't want to get votes for some reason.

I really hope Warren doesn't express support for Tulsi because if so siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
 
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