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US PoliEra 2019 |OT9| I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter nearly enough to understand all the references
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That's probably true, but it does make me wonder what oversight Congress can really have if they're going to have their hands tied (by themselves) for an entire year. There's no way more crimes don't come to light in that time. Is Trump going to be basically untouchable?
I think my girlfriend and I are going to start volunteering for the Warren campaign.
I need either Warren or Bernie to win. Nobody else comes even close. I have a slight preference for Warren, and she seems better positioned to win the nomination. That being said, if Bernie is the one better positioned to beat Biden when Indiana's primary comes (in May), I'll vote for him. Either way, the progressive wing needs to be leading the party.
I think Bloomberg entering the race either has no effect, or it helps Bernie and Warren. So he's welcome to try lol.
I need either Warren or Bernie to win. Nobody else comes even close. I have a slight preference for Warren, and she seems better positioned to win the nomination. That being said, if Bernie is the one better positioned to beat Biden when Indiana's primary comes (in May), I'll vote for him. Either way, the progressive wing needs to be leading the party.
I think Bloomberg entering the race either has no effect, or it helps Bernie and Warren. So he's welcome to try lol.
It was posted on Era on the first few days impeachment was announced.
Exactly as I predicted. We don't need him and we never did. Let's keep this thing moving, thanks.
That's true, Republicans bitch about voter fraud when they win
From NOVA, it's been fun watching old schoolmates from high school melting down over the VA election results through social media. I've seen a meltdown over socialists taking over VA as well as some citing election fraud.
He's really going to bat for corruption? Lula was released pending appeal not because of any finding of innocence
That's the kind of fucked up thing that suggests how ingrained the GOP is as the "Party of Power" in this country. Even Democrats seem to want to be ruled by Republicans, just as long as they're "good Republicans." Fortunately the reality of their shittiness generally overwhelms this subtle inclination.
Compare Republicans who have to be presented with an absolute bottom of the barrel trash candidate on their side to ever consider voting Dem or even just staying home.
He was also jailed because of a proven politically motivated investigation whose main item of "proof" was a proofless claim. Lula should be president right now.
if you've paid even a slight amount of attention to the situation, you would know the jailing of lula was an effective coup by the far-right of the Brazilian government based on complete fabrications. you cant hold any semblance of intellectual honesty and want president lula to remain in jail. his jailing is the literal reason a fascist is currently in office there
Could almost be read as a dare for the white house to let him testify.
It's the cognitive dissonance of Conservatism (and Fascism) on full display. You're simultaneously one move away from defeat and constantly winning.
Yes, his jailing is why Bolsonaro won and yes it was politically motivated at the outset -- neither of these things suggest he is innocent. Is Trump innocent because the whistleblower is a Biden supporter? No. Your claim that it is all made up is not a fact decided by anyone in authority to do so -- maybe it's true, maybe it isn't but so far the courts haven't found in his favor and his release has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Even the external pressure has been about the handling, not the facts of the case
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Being jailed by a fascist conspiracy doesnt make you an innocent
Being jailed by a facist conspiracy with no proof does make you an innocent
Being jailed by a facist conspiracy with no proof does make you an innocent
They're all falling in line.
Trump's gonna come out of this smelling like roses to the average, uninformed voter.
Maybe Nancy was right... Not that the House shouldn't impeach the fucker- They absolutely should, let history judge what Trump and his cronies have done. But it may hurt the party come 2020. We'll have to wait and see. But any hope that the GOP was going to do the right thing and cut ties should all but be over by now.
Have you been following the news? There's quite a few people testifying in public next week that are not falling in line
The main core of the party will, and that's what matters.
No way we're going to see over 10 GOP Senators defect. Just not gonna happen.
lol calm down
bolton being his usual bootlicker self and now all of a sudden dems are in disarray again. give me a break.
Nothing to do with disarray.
It just... Is what it is. People here don't honestly think he's going to be removed from office, right?
Well, only if all that matters is removal. Personally I think, given removal isn't going to happen regardless, getting all of the crimes documented on the record is more important --- especially because the GOP is going to vote that they're all okay. This is why I think it's dumb to rush this because a court case might drag it past Iowa
We can't control what the GOP does so should focus on what is right
Oh hell no, but he'll collect a new stench as a result of it. It's also 100% ethically the right thing for dems to do. If you don't impeach someone over this kind of shit, what would it ever take?
I will say... if the senate vote was anonymous I think he'd get removed.
I'm in agreement there, I want these fucks on record defending this.
But we've already heard what the plan is going to be (basically, yeah it was a quid-pro-quo, and yeah he was abusing power... But does it rise to the level of impeachment? Of course not!) and he'll play the victim card like only he can. It's not like it was with Nixon because we already have the 'smoking gun' and it doesn't seem like the GOP is budging at all.
Agreed 100%. We've already heard from former Senators that he would be removed tomorrow if the vote was anonymous.
Alas, political expediency always wins. Party over country every time.
My take is that it's hard to see how he gets removed right now, but if he is, it will look inevitable in hindsight. GOP keeps moving the goalposts, but they're on the edge of a cliff now
it's been clear he won't get removed for a while. I don't understand why you're suddenly so scared of that? it's likely to hurt swing state R senators rather than Dems
Mostly because recent polling data that I've read puts independents right in the middle- Important votes that could determine the election... And from what I've read, they do not support impeachment in the swing states.
That may change, but there's a chance it won't. To many, this is actually starting to look like another episode in an endless campaign to get rid of Trump.
Because apparently, everything will hurt the Dems in 2020. Including breathing.
Or, you know. Data.
But yeah, just write me off as another hysteric. If that makes you guys feel better or something.
It'll hurt Democrats like it hurt Republicans who impeached Clinton. Despite the fact that Clinton was way more popular (higher approval rating from the onset) and the basis for his impeachment was lying about oral sex.
"It'll be the same except these things that are really different."
"Most voters in Arizona (52 percent to 45 percent), Florida (53 percent to 42 percent), Michigan (51 percent to 42 percent), North Carolina (53 percent to 43 percent), Pennsylvania (52 percent to 45 percent), and Wisconsin (51 percent to 45 percent) say they oppose Congress's potential removal of Trump from office."
From NYT/Sienna poll.
Yeah, yeah... I know. One poll.
But, from a reputable pollster. We need to see more data but yeah, I'd be lying if I said that didn't worry me. And it should worry you guys, too.
Apparently that means the Dems are in disarray or something. Even though it has nothing to do with them at all.
It's the same reason there's a gap between "impeach" and "impeach and remove." It's about question wording.
Never too early:
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Scott Walker @ScottWalkerThis is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
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Jordan Klepper speaking to people at a Trump rally about Christmas.
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
Just can't wait to feel persecuted
You're focusing solely on "impeach AND removal" which is far different than the inquiry that many support than oppose. We went into this knowing that removing Trump from office through impeachment and conviction wasn't going to happen, especially with the GOP Senate. This mainly going to use to put them on the record for defending an obvious criminal and having them receive as much political pain as possible. And since they're bleeding out the suburban vote at a fast rate, playing cute isn't gonna folks like Collins, McSally, Gardner and Tillis.
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
A pagan holdover by any other name.
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
Shouldn't he be whining about Thanksgiving before whining about Christmas?
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
He's not a bright lad, is he?
Never too early:
Scott Walker @ScottWalker
This is a Christmas Tree that is used by people celebrating Christmas
This is not a holiday tree.
5:07 PM - Nov 8, 2019
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