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Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pretty sure AOC is campaigning for Bernie because she believes that Bernie would be the best candidate for President tbh. Or just the best President. She's not gonna, like, lash herself to the mast if that ship sinks, but I doubt that she's just acting out of political instinct.
I agree that is what she is doing.

I'm not sure why she thinks it's a good idea to support him in light of the fact he's old and in poor health, but he certainly matches her platform the best.
 

SSF1991

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The Hill @thehill

.@BetoORourke on @TulsiGabbard: "Tulsi is not being groomed by anyone. She is her own person. Obviously has served this country, continues to serve this country in uniform, in Congress, as a candidate for presidency so I think those facts speak for themselves."

5:22 PM - Oct 19, 2019


Warren dodging the health care tax question feels like nothing compared to all the fuck-ups everyone else is doing.
 
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it's hard to see Bernie succeeding here if the endorsement doesn't take a reasonable chunk out of warren's lead. because that has to be the target demo, right? wavering lefties. i'm curious to see what the polling shows over the next few weeks.

(granted, i'm well behind on where warren's lead has been coming from -- it looked like Bernie's slump was pretty cleanly mapping to warren's rise, but maybe when you drill down that's totally not the case.)
 

SpitztheGreat

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I don't agree, I don't think Beto's statement moves the needle at all. IMO this dust up does nothing but elevate Gabbard, best to placate her and move on since I'm a week it'll be forgotten.
 

sphagnum

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I agree that is what she is doing.

I'm not sure why she thinks it's a good idea to support him in light of the fact he's old and in poor health, but he certainly matches her platform the best.

Socialists gotta stick together.

Also, she cares very much about putting the working class front and center and that's Bernie's shtick and not Warren's. Also his foreign policy is better.
 

Falore

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If bernie wins a lot of his promises would be blocked by the senate, even if democrats somehow take control ofthe senate I suspect a lot of bernies ideas would still meet resistance. Ultimately my prediction would be assuming trump is voted OUT of office in 2020 and not forced out.. but if bernie were to win he'd get very little done then when 2024 rolls around trump would run for office again and pull off a disasterous win in the wake of "the do nothing dems getting nothing done"

Plus bernie would REALLY be too old for a 2nd term (same goes for biden to be honest) I wish people would consider how the winning candidate will influence the outcome of 2024.
 

Linkura

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I don't agree, I don't think Beto's statement moves the needle at all. IMO this dust up does nothing but elevate Gabbard, best to placate her and move on since I'm a week it'll be forgotten.
It doesn't move anything because Beto is no longer relevant in the race. It's unlikely Tootsie or Beto will make November.

It's just amusing that at this point, EVERYONE has a beef with Beto about SOMETHING.
 
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Kusagari

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I agree that is what she is doing.

I'm not sure why she thinks it's a good idea to support him in light of the fact he's old and in poor health, but he certainly matches her platform the best.

I simply think her heart was always with Bernie, he is the reason she got into politics after all, and the heart attack pushed her to take an active role in his campaign.
 

Dream Machine

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Sure. Well, not to the Veep choice as much.... But the admission that Sander's campaign was so doa that the only thing that has a chance to save it is AOC is....you know..an admission that I think should give some folks pause.
You keep saying that, but it's your framing that you are ascribing to everyone. Being in the top 3 throughout isn't my definition of DOA, either. For examples of DOA, see Klobuchar, Gabbard, Harris, O'Rourke, etc

AOC doesn't have wildly different ideas from Sanders, because he's very consistent about what he intends to change and such an early endorsement having very different ideas from him would just muddy the waters of his message in a time when it's good to be clear about your goals to differentiate yourself. Instead, she's on board because she's a good communicator that excites people, and has modern first hand experience with the inequity of modern society. This is the time to get your message out there, and she's a good person to help him do that. You can read that as desperation if you want, but I see it as a good ally joining the campaign.
 

-Le Monde-

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That's enough politics for the day. Tulsi is a trash human being, and anyone that defends her is suspect as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Is there another analogy for Beto? Someone who was so hyped and was the favorite of the betting markets and delivered such a pathetic campaign? Rick Perry in 2012, perhaps?
 

Diablos

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Sounds gossipy I know but i wonder if Beto and Tulsi, you know, got together. They look very comfortable with each other in that pic
 
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Lovely photo of BigBaby:





Do you want more applesauce after kiliing all those poor Kurds?

"PHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"


The use of "weakness" there proves the editor knows what they're doing.

AOC probably has like 15% name recognition among SC Dems lol (and 60% among Republicans).

Aint that the truth. "Here, I know yall've figured out Hillary is old news so we brought you another Security Blankie to fixate on instead of governing!"

Nah. GOP have basically made her their new white whale, and I doubt she could even win a statewide primary tbh.

I actually appreciate Bernie, and believe he's been our Goldwater in terms of moving the Democratic Party to a better spot.

I dont usually like to go futurist when the adminsitration is melting down and people are dying from what's greasing those wheels, but am I alone in thinking she's headed for House leadership given this and her getting into the weeds of legislating and the chamber's workings?
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Man, it was like 2 days ago that i actually googled some things about Yang and was excited that someone was campaigning on Universal Basic Income and Nuclear Energy, but then he goes and says a bunch of dumb shit and backs up Tulsi.

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Soul Skater

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Man, it was like 2 days ago that i actually googled some things about Yang and was excited that someone was campaigning on Universal Basic Income and Nuclear Energy, but then he goes and says a bunch of dumb shit and backs up Tulsi.

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Yangs interview with Maddow when she asked him how we meddled in other countries political processes and he didn't name anything I couldn't tell if he didn't actually know or because he's running for POTUS didn't want to specifically name a bunch of recent presidents and call them war criminals or say "Yo Rach you just did a whole thing about Iran Contra like come on"
 

B-Dubs

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Man, it was like 2 days ago that i actually googled some things about Yang and was excited that someone was campaigning on Universal Basic Income and Nuclear Energy, but then he goes and says a bunch of dumb shit and backs up Tulsi.

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His UBI implementation plan is also quite bad.
 

VectorPrime

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I was a young apolitical teen back in the long long ago of 2005 but did Kerry receive even half the hate and vitriol Hillary does for losing to Bush back then? Did everytime Kerry opened his mouth to speak on something was there any entire contingent of people going "ughh why won't you just GO AWAY FOREVER" and things like that? Maybe there were idk but I certainly don't remember it.
 

JABEE

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AOC coming on board and campaigning is great news. This is going about as great as it could coming off his heart attack.
 

ascii42

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I was a young apolitical teen back in the long long ago of 2005 but did Kerry receive even half the hate and vitriol Hillary does for losing to Bush back then? Did everytime Kerry opened his mouth to speak on something was there any entire contingent of people going "ughh why won't you just GO AWAY FOREVER" and things like that? Maybe there were idk but I certainly don't remember it.
Difficult to compare, since he was still a senator afterward. Mitt Romney would be closer example, since after losing he was not in a political office (at least not for several years). Also Al Gore.
 
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I was a young apolitical teen back in the long long ago of 2005 but did Kerry receive even half the hate and vitriol Hillary does for losing to Bush back then? Did everytime Kerry opened his mouth to speak on something was there any entire contingent of people going "ughh why won't you just GO AWAY FOREVER" and things like that? Maybe there were idk but I certainly don't remember it.
The only thing I can think of is when the right got angry when he made this joke:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
 

Autodidact

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I was a young apolitical teen back in the long long ago of 2005 but did Kerry receive even half the hate and vitriol Hillary does for losing to Bush back then? Did everytime Kerry opened his mouth to speak on something was there any entire contingent of people going "ughh why won't you just GO AWAY FOREVER" and things like that? Maybe there were idk but I certainly don't remember it.
You know the answer.
This is going about as great as it could coming off his heart attack.
At least you've started managing your expectations!
 

Plutone

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Speaking as a millennial who is terribly underinformed, I do have a much higher appreciation for AOC than Bernie. She won't make me vote for Bernie in the primary but I really appreciate that she voices her opinion on so many things that fucks up my generation. I think in a few years her political instincts will be demonstrably better than Bernie's.
 

ArkhamFantasy

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I remember my conservative dad criticizing Kerry because his wife owned Heinz ketchup or something so he was compromised by business conflicts...LOL
 

Ogodei

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Fiona Hill and Yovanovich were very competent people. Bolton yeah that's a sketchy one but he at least knew the law and when to bounce out when things got hella illegal.

On the stupid-to-evil scale Bolton definitely sits on the evil side. We're lucky that such an ineffective and back-biting administration picked him up compared to someone at all willing to listen to their subordinates or... function at all.
 

Soul Skater

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I remember my conservative dad criticizing Kerry because his wife owned Heinz ketchup or something so he was compromised by business conflicts...LOL
Well tbh had he won she would have needed to divest or sell off her control of the company or it would be compromising.

Making Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm was also the correct decision

We've just fallen so far that normal anti corruption ethical moves seem silly and unnecessary
 

Linkura

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Speaking as a millennial who is terribly underinformed, I do have a much higher appreciation for AOC than Bernie. She won't make me vote for Bernie in the primary but I really appreciate that she voices her opinion on so many things that fucks up my generation. I think in a few years her political instincts will be demonstrably better than Bernie's.
(They already are.)
 
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