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Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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You know that part of "Ribs" where Lorde gives a really emotional delivery of the "This dream isn't feeling sweet/We're reeling through the midnight streets/And I've never felt more alone/It feels so scary getting old" line (I think it's like the third refrain?), and it's just this really nice, emotional moment where it just hits you with this kind of sad, nostalgic feeling? That moment is really cool, unlike sitting through this exact same argument for the 67th time.
 

pigeon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm unclear which one you're referring to. If it's Amber, while I do agree she kinda sucks, she's not a Strasserite. Maybe an old-school Stalinist, in a vulgar sense, but a Strasserist? Ridiculous.

yes indeed no real leftist movement could include a strasserite so obviously she must not be one
 

BADMAN

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Oct 25, 2017
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I understand the theory, but I'm talking about praxis. It's easy to talk about the seminal importance of equality while failing completely to uphold it. Just ask liberalism!

Would you say that no leftist world leaders have enacted oppressive or discriminatory policies? I would assume not. Did they stop being leftists when they did so? If so, then that emphasizes the need for careful policing within the movement.
We're in a much different position than other leftist governments and I'm not going to theorize using them as a base. From what I know of the current leftist movement, it's based in the current liberal sphere of anti-bigotry and pro-inclusiveness but amplified by the ideology of definite equality for everyone. Could it be tainted through implementation? Sure. This is an extremely complicated subject and I can't see the future.

But I'm not fighting for anything less than that. The leftists I know aren't fighting for anything less than that. And if bigots want to co-op or dilute the movement, they're going to have to go through the lot of us to do so. That's basically all I can say on the matter.
 

Midnight Jon

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You know that part of "Ribs" where Lorde gives a really emotional delivery of the "This dream isn't feeling sweet/We're reeling through the midnight streets/And I've never felt more alone/It feels so scary getting old" line (I think it's like the third refrain?), and it's just this really nice, emotional moment where it just hits you with this kind of sad, nostalgic feeling? That moment is really cool, unlike sitting through this exact same argument for the 67th time.
fyi if you ever want a discord invite i will specifically make one for you
 

Kangi

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You know that part of "Ribs" where Lorde gives a really emotional delivery of the "This dream isn't feeling sweet/We're reeling through the midnight streets/And I've never felt more alone/It feels so scary getting old" line (I think it's like the third refrain?), and it's just this really nice, emotional moment where it just hits you with this kind of sad, nostalgic feeling? That moment is really cool, unlike sitting through this exact same argument for the 67th time.
That song's a close second to "Buzzcut Season" purely for that part
 

pigeon

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Oct 25, 2017
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anyway I'm going to add chapo to my twitter feed as part of my ongoing effort to troll myself into a greater understanding of the world so I'll let you know if they're strasserites or what later
 

GrapeApes

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Oct 25, 2017
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Snowy

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Nov 11, 2017
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yes indeed no real leftist movement could include a strasserite so obviously she must not be one

No, I'm saying she's not one because I've listened to her on the podcast and read some of her writing, and she's not one. Her takes are often bad, and too nostalgic for a vulgar conception of the working class while being too dismissive of more educated liberals, but they're definitionally not Strasserist.
 

Pixieking

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We're in a much different position than other leftist governments and I'm not going to theorize using them as a base. From what I know of the current leftist movement, it's based in the current liberal sphere of anti-bigotry and pro-inclusiveness but amplified by the ideology of definite equality for everyone. Could it be tainted through implementation? Sure. This is an extremely complicated subject and I can't see the future.

But I'm not fighting for anything less than that. The leftists I know aren't fighting for anything less than that. And if bigots want to co-op or dilute the movement, they're going to have to go through the lot of us to do so. That's basically all I can say on the matter.

This seems as robust an argument as saying Christians can't be bigoted, thieving, hateful people. Whilst a group may stand for a set of ideals, people are inherently squishy when it comes to how true they stay to the ideals of the group they belong to.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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So my mom (who loathes Bernie more than I do) is at my sisters for a week. My sister is not what you'd call a reliable voter. She voted for Obama in 2008, forgot to vote in 2012, but did vote for Hillary in 2016. She's voted in one midterm her whole life. I've argued with her but she just isn't into it...although she is voting in the primary and the general this time because she loathes Trump.

My mom forced her to watch the debate. She loved Warren. She liked Pete. She was fine with Biden. She found Amy annoying. But, anyway, Bernie she told my mom she didn't get why my mom hated him so much. My mom told her "Give him time, he'll do something to piss us off." And literally 2 seconds later, he mansplained math. To which my sister went "OHHHHHH, okay, yup. I get it."
Keep the family stories coming. I should ask my mom what she thinks of Bernard. For all of her MANY, HUGE faults, she is a reliable Dem voter and did support my interest when I was young by letting me buy "Is Our Children Learning?" by Paul Begala and taking me into the poll booths with her.
 

patientzero

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Oct 25, 2017
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Correct. Smarter Trump is inevitable, the only variable is time.

I think there's a difference between the regular republican (who would still oppose us every step of the way) vs another more competent Trump, who also has the mask off, but is more savvy politically. I'm afraid of the latter.

The story of 2024 or 2028 will be how we ended up with Joe Biden's status quo "Republicans will come to their senses" politics leading to our new neo-nazi president because Bernie and Liz and their respective superfans couldn't set aside a petty argument and actually save America.

We've had multiple competent Trumps - Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush. They are inevitable consequences of our electoral system and weird pendulum swings. And they were every bit as destructive as you'd imagine, but a combination of the fact that we survived them and young voters having intensely short political memories/lived experiences means we always forget them.

Let's mansplain the mainsplaing of the mansplaining.

Fun fact: In the spring of 2017, I was the SOLE male student of my Master's program enrolled in a class about feminine movements and righteous outrage within them (I think it reflects poorly on my fellow graduates that not one other man among a dozen programs signed up for it, but whatever). A class member I knew from a previous women's studies course was enrolled and I really wanted to work with her because she was smart and funny as all hell (she was a middle-aged lesbian from West Virginia whose parents owned a porn store, the exact kind of person I gravitate toward).

So I asked her directly if she would want to work together on a presentation, having no idea which one she signed up for, to which she agreed due to our shared history.

The presentation was on Rebecca Solnit's Men Explain Things to Me, the original coiner of the phrase "mansplaining".

Thus, I was the single man among 19 women, in a class discussing feminist rage, tasked with giving a presentation on the origins of the word "mansplaining". I was, for all intents and purposes, mansplaining the concept of mansplaining a few months after the 2016 election. We all had a damned god laugh about the circumstances.

It is simultaneously to the credit of my presentation partner and that entire class of women that the presentation went well, we received glowing praise and a perfect grade, and I wasn't driven away with pitchforks.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Do not go into the chapo verse twitter

If the subreddit is anything to go by

You're better off just setting free pallets on fire and screaming socialist slogans into the midnight void
 

Gotchaye

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why not deny it, when your cult will defend you at every turn? Who does that remind you of?
Sure, but Sanders needs Warren's (and Clinton's) people. This was 100% defusable but he put Warren in a position where she either has to say he's outright wrong (and lots of people are going to take this as saying he's lying) or else basically say that she exaggerated about what he said behind his back. After that there's no way that she alone can do the work of expressing that it was a long time ago and people hear and remember things differently and anyway we're all friends here.
 

adam387

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Nov 27, 2017
5,215
He might think he didn't say it and refuses to let it go even if he is wrong.
I guarantee you this is 100% what it is. The man is incapable of letting anything go. See: the way he responded to the 30 years thing last night.

I have had no fewer than 4 people this evening text me a link to the CNN thing responding with "Finally someone called him out!" You hate to see it.
 

Arm Van Dam

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And some people thought that Kemp made a wise appointment, instead working with the Family Research Council, an SPLC designated hate group with that POS Tony Perkins

"Winning back suburban women"



Here's Georgia's new senator posing with the president of a literal hate group that bought Klan wizard David Duke's mailing list.

As a pro-life, Christian conservative, I look forward to working with @tperkins and the @FRCdc to advance policies that protect the unborn and most vulnerable among us. #gapol
 

Sandstar

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Oct 28, 2017
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Sure, but Sanders needs Warren's (and Clinton's) people. This was 100% defusable but he put Warren in a position where she either has to say he's outright wrong (and lots of people are going to take this as saying he's lying) or else basically say that she exaggerated about what he said behind his back. After that there's no way that she alone can do the work of expressing that it was a long time ago and people hear and remember things differently and anyway we're all friends here.

Bernie's drinking his own flavor aid, unfortunatly, and is starting to believe he's infailable. It's what happens to anyone when people are constantly fawning over and agreeing with everything he says. There's a reason he's doing 5 rallies a day.
 

Chitown B

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Nov 15, 2017
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nevermind I'm watching Sam Bee. Her take is the truth. And I'm in for Warren, but Bernie is a close second. This manufactured outrage needs to stop. If Bernie said "Trump will make fun of a woman for being a woman, if she's the nominee" - well no duh. But I don't believe he said "a woman can't win" and there's no proof he did. He stumped for Clinton after July all the way to the election, and she won the popular vote by 3 million.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Wow, not only did Barr speak with Rudy about getting the charges to Firtash dropped but also to DiGenova and Toensing about it as well, "They're all best friends" "Barr had to have know everything."

What wait? He explicitly said Barr spoke to Rudy about Firtash and also spoke with DiGenova and Toensing?

The interview definitely is verging on a Megaton. But I'd like to see some receipts on Pence and Barr's involvement. I think it's great that Maddow is doing a Part 2 and that's going to be on CNN next. It's going to allow for Parnas claims to simmer for a couple of news cycles and force the Senate to address at least some of the accusations and evidence.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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A lot of people out there don't get that this was also a violation of trust in the workplace, something women experience from men all too often. My wife was telling me tonight about an instance of this she experienced today at work. She wasn't able to confront the person then and there the way Warren seemingly did, though - but she wouldn't necessarily want to be told "not now" if she did.

Warren perhaps wasn't making notes and storing emails and such because she probably didn't think she needed to, but my wife is sure doing this now. She's already experienced people "misremembering" when, where, and what of previous conversations.
 
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