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Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you realize how absurd and petty this sounds? Honestly?

No, don't do that. Don't defend Bernie by deflecting. Actually defend what he did instead of trying to bothsides it.

And this is not RuPauls best friend race! They're running against each other. The idea that neither should say shit about the other is so absolutely ridiculous.
He should have said, "you and senator klobberator are truly talented, intelligent women and I'm proud to share the honor of defeating an incumbent within the past 30 years with you. I did that 29 years ago, and I'm in good company with you two dames"

then he winks, there's polite applause, and everybody goes out for a malted milkshake on bernie (but they get smalls because he's cheap)
 

pigeon

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He should have said, "you and senator klobberator are truly talented, intelligent women and I'm proud to share the honor of defeating an incumbent within the past 30 years with you. I did that 29 years ago, and I'm in good company with you two dames"

then he winks, there's polite applause, and everybody goes out for a malted milkshake on bernie (but they get smalls because he's cheap)

anti-semitism within the left community again
 

skullmuffins

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Oct 25, 2017
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The same could be said about warren's thin skinned response to bernie "trashing" her (some volunteer posting a totally benign, factually true statement to a slack channel) being to launch this petty, opportunistic line of attack against against her good friend.

Biden it is. I hope he does pushups with trump.
so didn't this turn out to be an official script that was used by staff and volunteers in a couple of early states and not actually "some volunteer posted it in a slack channel where it was promptly removed" like that viral tweet from some rando that folks took as gospel


(the script was pretty benign as you say so the knee jerk defensiveness and disavowal was kinda unnecessary)
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
Warren's statement wasn't true since Bernie beat a Republican incumbent in November of 1990
Nowhere other than here (or maybe Reddit) would you find anyone who took 2020-1990 and NOT immediately answer 30 without any second considerations. Ask 100 random people on the street. Zero of them are going to say "but what month is it?"

Christ. It wouldn't have taken a lot for Bernie to not have made that so cringey, and instead of just admitting he looked like a jackass in that sequence people would rather argue irrelevant semantics. "Sure, he lied, but the real scandal here is your consideration of months in a basic math problem!"
 

adam387

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so didn't this turn out to be an official script that was used by staff and volunteers in a couple of early states and not actually "some volunteer posted it in a slack channel where it was promptly removed" like that viral tweet from some rando that folks took as gospel


(the script was pretty benign so the knee jerk defensiveness and disavowal was kinda unnecessary)
You are correct.

The fact that the campaign is so inept that it ended up making a totally benign line of critique against her into a big thing is just....it's impressive how terrible thye are.
 

ColdSun

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Any clarity is very much appreciated.
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adam387

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Or, literally, just say absolutely nothing! Nothing is an option! Because, like I said, if somehow Bernie won, if he falls for every single thing Trump tries to say or do....it's going to be a looooooong fucking campaign.
 

Steel

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It's me assuming Warren has control over her own campaign. How do you think she was prepped for it?
Her response to the incident was anything but prepped. Unless you mean her debate response? In which case she had 24 hours to come up with it.

Another point to consider is that Warren has been stupidly honest to a fault in her political career so far. Literally nuked herself over the Native American thing when she didn't have to because she honestly thought it was true.
 

Owzers

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Or, literally, just say absolutely nothing! Nothing is an option! Because, like I said, if somehow Bernie won, if he falls for every single thing Trump tries to say or do....it's going to be a looooooong fucking campaign.

I picture the no puppet no puppet debate exchange Hillary had only instead of letting Trump have the last word Bernie wags his finger in the air saying "yes puppet, yes puppet. You are the puppet. I am not the puppet, you are the puppet as I have said"
 

Dream Machine

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so didn't this turn out to be an official script that was used by staff and volunteers in a couple of early states and not actually "some volunteer posted it in a slack channel where it was promptly removed" like that viral tweet from some rando that folks took as gospel


(the script was pretty benign as you say so the knee jerk defensiveness and disavowal was kinda unnecessary)
My bad. Still benign and nowhere near "trashing", though
I picture the no puppet no puppet debate exchange Hillary had only instead of letting Trump have the last word Bernie wags his finger in the air saying "yes puppet, yes puppet. You are the puppet. I am not the puppet, you are the puppet as I have said"
sounds pretty good, tbh
 

Scottt

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I'm trying to talk about highways but I'm not getting any traffic.
 

adam387

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I picture the no puppet no puppet debate exchange Hillary had only instead of letting Trump have the last word Bernie wags his finger in the air saying "yes puppet, yes puppet. You are the puppet. I am not the puppet, you are the puppet as I have said"
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They'd have a wag off.
 

Dream Machine

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Her response to the incident was anything but prepped. Unless you mean her debate response? In which case she had 24 hours to come up with it.

Another point to consider is that Warren has been stupidly honest to a fault in her political career so far. Literally nuked herself over the Native American thing when she didn't have to because she honestly thought it was true.
The native american thing and this sexist-but-im-not-saying-sexist gambit are both pretty big red flags as far as her handling trump in the general
they literally asked her for comment before the story ran
Well, at least one of them has been playing pretty fast and loose with the truth or is confused about what's happening over the past couple of days. But maybe we can chalk all of this up to bad staffers and call the whole thing off in the next day or two.
 
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Or, literally, just say absolutely nothing! Nothing is an option! Because, like I said, if somehow Bernie won, if he falls for every single thing Trump tries to say or do....it's going to be a looooooong fucking campaign.
I don't think anyone is prepared for the trump mudslinging during debates.

Warren fell for the stupid ass genetic test callout.
 

pigeon

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Well, at least one of them has been playing pretty fast and loose with the truth or is confused about what's happening over the past couple of days. But maybe we can chalk all of this up to bad staffers and call the whole thing off in the next day or two.

seems like a dodge to retreat from "she totally knew" to "well who can really say" when somebody points out your argument makes no sense, I assume you're admitting you were totally wrong to claim warren signed off on it when you had no such knowledge
 

Dream Machine

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seems like a dodge to retreat from "she totally knew" to "well who can really say" when somebody points out your argument makes no sense, I assume you're admitting you were totally wrong to claim warren signed off on it when you had no such knowledge
I think she knew because the whole thing felt so calculated up to and including the debate, but I could be wrong. I know people in here aren't so naive as to just believe whatever a politician says at face value. That's cultish. there are disagreements about who and how much we believe, and that's up to each individual to decide for themselves with the information presented.
 

Tamanon

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I think she knew because the whole thing felt so calculated up to and including the debate, but I could be wrong. I know people in here aren't so naive as to just believe whatever a politician says at face value. That's cultish. there are disagreements about who and how much we believe, and that's up to each individual to decide for themselves with the information presented.

I mean.... that's a weird take here considering the view of many folks is Bernie is 100% telling the truth and Warren is 100% a lying, manipulative snake.
 

pigeon

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I think she knew because the whole thing felt so calculated up to and including the debate, but I could be wrong. I know people in here aren't so naive as to just believe whatever a politician says at face value. That's cultish. there are disagreements about who and how much we believe, and that's up to each individual to decide for themselves with the information presented.

I agree, and the personal biases individuals carry often overpower the evidence, as well.
 

pigeon

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The evidence being her statement? But yes, we agree on that.

For me the evidence is the totality of the circumstances surrounding the statement and the story -- her original declination to comment, her eventual statement coming very late, her saying in her statement that she did not want to discuss it further, her refusal to pursue the topic further in the debate, and so forth. I don't think the right way to understand the situation is to look at the statement and say something like "I dunno, this feels calculated to me." That's how sexist tropes sneak in. The question is what kind of mindset would take the actions we know were taken. I think you have to want pretty hard to see malice in order to see it here. Fortunately the board is not undersupplied with people who want to see malice.
 

Dream Machine

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For me the evidence is the totality of the circumstances surrounding the statement and the story -- her original declination to comment, her eventual statement coming very late, her saying in her statement that she did not want to discuss it further, her refusal to pursue the topic further in the debate, and so forth. I don't think the right way to understand the situation is to look at the statement and say something like "I dunno, this feels calculated to me." That's how sexist tropes sneak in. The question is what kind of mindset would take the actions we know were taken. I think you have to want pretty hard to see malice in order to see it here. Fortunately the board is not undersupplied with people who want to see malice.
Whether malicious or not, it wasn't a very effective attack. All's fair in love and politics, as people in here have said, but if it doesn't work and alienates voters, then it's not good politics. If she didn't know, then she joins the ranks of bernard in needing to tighten up their campaigns. If she did, then she made a political blunder, possibly by listening to bad advisors.
 

Joeytj

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Her response to the incident was anything but prepped. Unless you mean her debate response? In which case she had 24 hours to come up with it.

Another point to consider is that Warren has been stupidly honest to a fault in her political career so far. Literally nuked herself over the Native American thing when she didn't have to because she honestly thought it was true.

Yeah, I agree, even if I support Warren (and I think most here do). Warren has that particular incident as a sign of her biggest weakness. A lot of people talk about her eyebrows, her supposed condescending tone, etc., but she manages to actually surpass those problems once she's campaigning and voters get to know her.

But on things like these she (and honestly, the rest of the Democratic candidates as well) is still looking like a novice. I think she learns quickly, but sometimes too late and after the damage was already done.
 
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Absolutely!
We give a grace period when it comes to staff posts. This grace period insures that people have had the opportunity to read the staff post.

In the future, however, please feel free to direct the questions to a mod, mod captain, or use the 'Contact Us' form at the bottom of a page so as to not detract/derail from the political (and apparently community college) discussions
I have a good question, and not trying to be hostile to you or the mod staff.

I participate in both socialism era and poliera. I post in good faith and respect each community. We might have heated disagreements but never once has I told anyone in either community off.

I post enough in sociliasim era to know who posts from here. It's only me, sphagnum and Pigeon. Kirbs doesn't post there. Icthy. Auto. Adam. Anyone else.

Why are my OT threads being constantly shitposted in and at seemingly the drop of a hat. Many times completely unprovoked simply because some posters here dared have a thought.

I'm not asking for retribution or war or anything like that. But as someone who participates in both communities this nonsense only occurs one way.

What happens in the OTs hey I can't control that.

But in the Poliera threads I've noticed we get constant drivebys and then you and the mods go "hey kids on both sides stop it".

I make this post public instead of DM because it's just silly. Good posters get chased off because of this nonsense.

I want leftists, progressives and Dems/libs/centrists/whatever name we're going with to all get along. It's hard to ignore our community is the only one getting drive-by crap.

Again, this is not to accuse socialist/lefty era of all being shitposters. But I don't see the same in socialism era and since I myself am the only poliera regular who posts there I can safely say I don't shitpost there.

Can we please just all get along and drop the Reddit/Twitter feuding?

Trump is target number one.




/Rant
 

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I picture the no puppet no puppet debate exchange Hillary had only instead of letting Trump have the last word Bernie wags his finger in the air saying "yes puppet, yes puppet. You are the puppet. I am not the puppet, you are the puppet as I have said"
Or the two trying to talk over each other, but Bernie out-shouting the 'yes puppet' bit. This is actually a really funny picture you put in my head. I can literally hear his accent and everything. Bernie talks so loudly, his voice breaks reality and dimensions.
 

Mekanos

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We need to think more progressive.

politicians who make college free > politicians who forgive student debt > politicians who reimburse those who already paid off their debt > politicians who pay you to go to school

By 2024, I will only vote for a politician that pays me to read Wikipedia articles.
 

pigeon

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We need to think more progressive.

politicians who make college free > politicians who forgive student debt > politicians who reimburse those who already paid off their debt > politicians who pay you to go to school

By 2024, I will only vote for a politician that pays me to read Wikipedia articles.

reCAPTCHA 2024
 

BADMAN

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I have a good question, and not trying to be hostile to you or the mod staff.

I participate in both socialism era and poliera. I post in good faith and respect each community. We might have heated disagreements but never once has I told anyone in either community off.

I post enough in sociliasim era to know who posts from here. It's only me, sphagnum and Pigeon. Kirbs doesn't post there. Icthy. Auto. Adam. Anyone else.

Why are my OT threads being constantly shitposted in and at seemingly the drop of a hat. Many times completely unprovoked simply because some posters here dared have a thought.

I'm not asking for retribution or war or anything like that. But as someone who participates in both communities this nonsense only occurs one way.

What happens in the OTs hey I can't control that.

But in the Poliera threads I've noticed we get constant drivebys and then you and the mods go "hey kids on both sides stop it".

I make this post public instead of DM because it's just silly. Good posters get chased off because of this nonsense.

I want leftists, progressives and Dems/libs/centrists/whatever name we're going with to all get along. It's hard to ignore our community is the only one getting drive-by crap.

Again, this is not to accuse socialist/lefty era of all being shitposters. But I don't see the same in socialism era and since I myself am the only poliera regular who posts there I can safely say I don't shitpost there.

Can we please just all get along and drop the Reddit/Twitter feuding?

Trump is target number one.




/Rant
I mean, this is the main US political thread on the forum. We're moving into a very contentious primary race that specifically pits the left vs the center, so arguments are going to happen when tensions are high. Outside of making a Lefty Pol thread and dividing the community, I don't really see that stopping.

Everything will calm down after the primary is over I'm sure...
 
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TheHunter

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I mean, this is the main US political thread on the forum. We're moving into a very contentious primary race that specifically pits the left vs the center, so arguments are going to happen when tensions are high. Outside of making a Lefty Pol thread and dividing the community, I don't really see that stopping.

Everything will calm down after the primary is over I'm sure...
No this has been happening before the primary even started.
 

PixelatedDonut

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TheHunter all I can say is, poliera is known off site and on site for having some extremally toxic posters. And my week of lurking and seeing similar names that are toxic in OT threads I wouldn't be surprised if people have a grudge against some posters. I must just look at the names you posted of consistent posters, it's not hard to see someones past bans.......some of them are bad.
 
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TheHunter

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TheHunter all I can say is, poliera is known off site and on site for having some extremally toxic posters. And my week of lurking and seeing similar names that are toxic in OT threads I wouldn't be surprised if people have a grudge against some posters. I must just look at the names you posted of consistent posters, it's not hard to see someones past bans.......some of them are bad.
Ok, that doesn't mean it's free game to drive by in this OT.

If y'all gotta Duke it out go into OT. Throw down there.
 

PixelatedDonut

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Ok, that doesn't mean it's free game to drive by in this OT.

If y'all gotta Duke it out go into OT. Throw down there.
Don't say y'all because I have nothing to do with it. Just giving my opinion/observation. I mean have I been hostile posting here? I'm not really the type of person that likes to argue online. I'm going to end it though because I just got off of a ban.
 
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TheHunter

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Don't say y'all because I have nothing to do with it. Just giving my opinion. I mean have I've been hostile posting here? I'm going to end it though because I just got off of a ban.
No you've been fine IMO.

That's why in my statement I said "I can't control OT".

We call out toxic stuff in this OT all the time. Vector Prime just got banned for being anti semetic.
 

ChippyTurtle

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I want Biden to win the primary so dissatisfied Republicans vote Democrat so the election can finally serve as a siren call to the Republican Party to stop being so fucking right-wing and ignorant and purge itself to a state of normalcy.

In my opinion, a radical Republican Party controlled by corrupt hardliners will only lead to further problems for the U.S, and will only double-down on their craziness. 4 more years for Trump to entrench himself into the Federal bureaucracy will make it harder for their crimes to be revealed, and destroy whatever viable moderate Republicans exist.

And yes, some of you are rolling your eyes at me about "moderate" Republicans, but do we really want more Nunes, Mitches in Congress?
 

pigeon

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I mean, this is the main US political thread on the forum. We're moving into a very contentious primary race that specifically pits the left vs the center, so arguments are going to happen when tensions are high.

boys will be boys eh

TheHunter all I can say is, poliera is known off site and on site for having some extremally toxic posters. And my week of lurking and seeing similar names that are toxic in OT threads I wouldn't be surprised if people have a grudge against some posters. I must just look at the names you posted of consistent posters, it's not hard to see someones past bans.......some of them are bad.

I appreciate the honesty of just coming out and saying that the problem is that people get together offsite and talk about how terrible the people who post in poliera are

I want Biden to win the primary so dissatisfied Republicans vote Democrat so the election can finally serve as a siren call to the Republican Party to stop being so fucking right-wing and ignorant and purge itself to a state of normalcy.

In my opinion, a radical Republican Party controlled by corrupt hardliners will only lead to further problems for the U.S, and will only double-down on their craziness. 4 more years for Trump to entrench himself into the Federal bureaucracy will make it harder for their crimes to be revealed, and destroy whatever viable moderate Republicans exist.

And yes, some of you are rolling your eyes at me about "moderate" Republicans, but do we really want more Nunes, Mitches in Congress?

If I thought this would actually happen I would give the max to Biden, because you're absolutely right that having a two-party system where one of the parties is fascist is a recipe for disaster sooner rather than later.

But I really don't think it will. The dissatisfied Republicans have just learned to love white supremacy. The moderate Republicans aren't hiding out. They've converted.

Things are never going to go back to the way they were.
 

BADMAN

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No this has been happening before the primary even started.
Okay so what's the actual solution then? You can't just say "People on the left shouldn't be mean in this thread" when there's a high level of toxicity towards their posts from regulars in the thread. I don't think those people are going to change their posting habits because you want a friendlier atmosphere, although it would be nice. So whats the answer here?
 

pigeon

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Okay so what's the actual solution then? You can't just say "People on the left shouldn't be mean in this thread" when there's a high level of toxicity towards their posts from regulars in the thread. I don't think those people are going to change their posting habits because you want a friendlier atmosphere, although it would be nice. So whats the answer here?

ask not what the thread can do for you, ask what you personally could do to improve the thread rather than just saying "well it's not my responsibility"
 
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Okay so what's the actual solution then? You can't just say "People on the left shouldn't be mean in this thread" when there's a high level of toxicity towards their posts from regulars in the thread. I don't think those people are going to change their posting habits because you want a friendlier atmosphere, although it would be nice. So whats the answer here?
I mean when I first started posting in sociliasim era as someone who supports capitalism I took quite a few hits on the chin.

I suggest to those of you out there who take issue with certain poliera regulars to be the bigger person and not let their dickheadedness get to you.

I'm still nice and friendly when I post in sociliasim era. Though right now it's usually a joke at my own expense.

Or to crack wise about farming!
 
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