US PoliEra 2020 |OT 1| THE ANTI BENGHAZI (Read Staff Post)

Joeytj · Jan 15, 2020

Tukarrs said:
I don;t like the redscare, but refusing to shake hand with Sanders is going to get played in a lot of places.

She should have sucked it up if even if she was absolutely disgusted with Sander's/

this is assuming that's what happened.

But I agree you should always shake a hand when offered (unless that person didn't wash their hands or you know is very unhygienic).

Even if you have a legit reason (and hating a person's guts maybe one) it always looks bad for the person refusing.

If Warren is pissed that Bernie lied, good for her because she should be pissed, but most people and voters still don't think highly of people (Especially candidates and especially women) that can't set aside emotions or differences for simple things like handshakes.

Double 0 · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
stan culture becoming part of our politics has made all of this so much stupider.

Nah, that's an excuse. People need to own up to their shit. We have seen female candidate after female candidate deal with this shit for five years from the same crowd.

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
He's the most popular guy from Chapo Trap House, a popular Socialist podcast that adores Bernie Sanders and also cocaine and maybe Iran sometimes.

you had me until Iran.

Midnight Jon · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
He's the most popular guy from Chapo Trap House

again, who?

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

Double 0 said:
Nah, that's an excuse. People need to own up to their shit.

Part of that is because we're turned politicians into infallible beings.

Tukarrs · Jan 15, 2020

Double 0 said:
As I've said before, a lot of people who should know better have been fucking up these past two days.

Suck it up? WHY.

ak1287 said:
Why can't those damn women just stop being so emotional all the time.

adam387 said:
Why is it always the woman who has to be the bigger person?

Every. damn. time.

Is Warren a smart operator or not?

Sexism exists. Is she able to shake it off?

If Sexism exists as it currently is, Does her action sufficiently change the formula that her current actions make sense to the vast majority of the population? If Sanders said that the current demographics mean that a female Preisdential candidate will face unfair undue opposition which might make it difficult to win, is that sexism, or just pragmatism>?

Aaron · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
stan culture becoming part of our politics has made all of this so much stupider.

This.

If Warren had said the exact same thing about Biden instead of Sanders (being told they didn't think a woman could win) every corner of this entire forum would be cheering her on.

But nope, she came at the Yasss King.

shinra-bansho · Jan 15, 2020

Emotional 🐍

Brian McDoogle · Jan 15, 2020

It is slightly amusing that these things make no one happy. "There were too many debates in 04 and 08!" "Ok, we will cut back in 16". Then it was "There's too few debates in 2016!" "Ok, we will have more in 2020". Then it was "The DNC rigged it!" "Ok, we'll relax the thresholds for debates". And then it became "There's too many people running!" and it's like no shit. Add to that the "wow, they're so mean" and "why are they picking on the frontrunners" and it's just...

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

Aaron said:
This.

If Warren had said the exact same thing about Biden instead of Sanders (being told they didn't think a woman could win) every corner of this entire forum would be cheering her on.

But nope, she came at the king.

I don't mean this just as about Bernie supporters, though they're guilty too -- it's a big part of the KHive, the Nancy stuff here, the MAGA crowd... It's not a good thing when people treat politicians with the reflexive defense one would tweet their favorite pop star.

Blue Skies · Jan 15, 2020

Something I've read/heard is that the Obama v Clinton race was way more heated than this primary. Does that still hold?

and also, maybe this is necessary. Maybe we get stronger when we learn to fight online bots and trolls, since that's all that's gonna happen in the general anyways. This is the practice run.

Omg, just for a second imagine the Wild West of twitter and Facebook if it comes down to Bernie v trump. Omg.
It would be such a toxic election.

maybe biden really is the best choice.

Rilakkuma Fanatic · Jan 15, 2020

Tukarrs said:
Is Warren a smart operator or not?

Sexism exists. Is she able to shake it off?

If Sexism exists as it currently is, Does her action sufficiently change the formula that her current actions make sense to the vast majority of the population? If Sanders said that the current demographics mean that a female Preisdential candidate will face unfair undue opposition which might make it difficult to win, is that sexism, or just pragmatism>?

I'm glad you took the time to explain how women had to navigate sexism the right way!

Prodigal Son · Jan 15, 2020

damn warren's mentions are in shambles. getting fucking ratiod

shinra-bansho · Jan 15, 2020

Tukarrs said:
Is Warren a smart operator or not?

Sexism exists. Is she able to shake it off?

If Sexism exists as it currently is, Does her action sufficiently change the formula that her current actions make sense to the vast majority of the population? If Sanders said that the current demographics mean that a female Preisdential candidate will face unfair undue opposition which might make it difficult to win, is that sexism, or just pragmatism>?

Why doesn't this apply to #socialism...?

Women should probably just give up though, you're right.

Tukarrs · Jan 15, 2020

shinra-bansho said:
Why doesn't this apply to #socialism...?

I'm completely sloshed but if socialism doesn't happen I'll honestly kill myself.

There's no hope for the future.

Brian McDoogle · Jan 15, 2020

Blue Skies said:
Something I've read/heard is that the Obama v Clinton race was way more heated than this primary. Does that still hold?

Yes. "You're likable enough" and "well, he might get assassinated" were... contentious. The big difference is after the primary ended, and got better.

Meauxse · Jan 15, 2020

Reminder of the Selzer 1/10 Iowa poll:

Bern-20
FORMA-17
Booty-16
Biden-15

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/01/10/rel1_ia.-.democrats.pdf

This was Pre-debate, a debate held in Iowa for Iowanians. With any significant bump, IMO it will be significant, Warren is leading the very accurate Selzer leading into the big day.

adam387 · Jan 15, 2020

Tukarrs said:
Is Warren a smart operator or not?

Sexism exists. Is she able to shake it off?

If Sexism exists as it currently is, Does her action sufficiently change the formula that her current actions make sense to the vast majority of the population? If Sanders said that the current demographics mean that a female Preisdential candidate will face unfair undue opposition which might make it difficult to win, is that sexism, or just pragmatism>?

Shake off sexism.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
I don't mean this just as about Bernie supporters, though they're guilty too -- it's a big part of the KHive, the Nancy stuff here, the MAGA crowd... It's not a good thing when people treat politicians with the reflexive defense one would tweet their favorite pop star.

Well it's also very bad that those reflexive defenses happen with pop stars too.

(Though less bad than politicians)

Depths · Jan 15, 2020

Hours Left said:
The sexism that plagues America continues to rear its ugly head, and prevents the country from making the necessary strides it needs to stop the hellscape it has become.

I can't believe dumbasses like this are still allowed to post here. They are clearly plants and this place has become a joke.

aspiegamer · Jan 15, 2020

This is one of those times where I'm unable to separate my legitimate issues with Sanders as a candidate vs just being turned off by his entire existence because of internet toxicity from (what I admit are a vocal minority of) his supporters. It's Trumpian troll-style bullshit.

adam387 · Jan 15, 2020

Blue Skies said:
Something I've read/heard is that the Obama v Clinton race was way more heated than this primary. Does that still hold?

It was WAAAAY worse, because there were actually two candidates who had a realistic chance of winning. Obama's "You're likable enough" was super fucking sexist. 2008 was fucking rough as hell.

I loved it.

Frankish · Jan 15, 2020

I am very annoyed by the fact that Warren's reputation as a progressive icon means absolutely nothing to certain people . Talk about a cult of personality.

I no longer support Warren because of her shitty healthcare and wealth tax policies, so I'm not saying this out of loyalty to her. I just think it's sad that all her achievements mean nothing simply because she had the nerve to run against a male with similar ideology.

ak1287 · Jan 15, 2020

Depths said:
I can't believe dumbasses like this are still allowed to post here. They are clearly plants and this place has become a joke.

Melkr's been around a while, and I think even at the old place? I doubt they're a plant, just dumber than shit and a terrible person.

ChucklesB · Jan 15, 2020

adam387 said:
It was WAAAAY worse, because there were actually two candidates who had a realistic chance of winning. Obama's "You're likable enough" was super fucking sexist. 2008 was fucking rough as hell.

I loved it.

Yeah and Hillary threw REAL SMOKE at Bams too, it was good times on both sides of the fight. It was the last primary before peeps got "too online" I'd say. Politics are different now.

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Well it's also very bad that those reflexive defenses happen with pop stars too.

(Though less bad than politicians)

yes but with team sports, it doesn't matter because there are literally no stakes.

XMonkey · Jan 15, 2020

Tukarrs said:
Why is Warren unable to get the cocaine bernie crowd though

Probably for the same reason I wouldn't bother making an effort to pick up my neighbors dog shit.

Pixieking said:
The last few days have proven that systemic sexism crops up everywhere, whether people mean it to or not. :/

Ya it's been quite illuminating. Probably better to get those masks off I think, though.

Hours Left · Jan 15, 2020

Depths said:
I can't believe dumbasses like this are still allowed to post here. They are clearly plants and this place has become a joke.

Who are you referring to with this post?

InspectorJones · Jan 15, 2020

Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.
And of course, there are probably a ton of trolls who wouldn't vote for either Candidate who will run with this for awful reasons of their own. That denial of a handshake will not help her at all when those same people share their viewpoints.

Still believe Bernie; would still vote for EW if she is the nominee, but this whole thing is a nightmare for progressives. Our country is doomed to more years of Centrism and Neo-Liberal Policies that will certainly doom us all even if Biden wins the Presidency (which I have doubts about despite everyone saying it's a sure thing here).

woman · Jan 15, 2020

Depths said:
I can't believe dumbasses like this are still allowed to post here. They are clearly plants and this place has become a joke.

ak1287 said:
Melkr's been around a while, and I think even at the old place? I doubt they're a plant, just dumber than shit and a terrible person.

a mess

adam387 · Jan 15, 2020

There's no reason to be shitty to each other. If someone's posts annoy you, just block them. No reason to be antagonistic towards people instead of policies.

Unless the person is Bernie Sanders, then you should totally be shitty towards him.

(I can't help it)

Dream Machine · Jan 15, 2020

adam387 said:
It was WAAAAY worse, because there were actually two candidates who had a realistic chance of winning. Obama's "You're likable enough" was super fucking sexist. 2008 was fucking rough as hell.

I loved it.

hilllary implying obama might get assassinated, so she shouldn't drop out, was BRUTAL SHADE

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

InspectorJones said:
Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.
And of course, there are probably a ton of trolls who wouldn't vote for either Candidate who will run with this for awful reasons of their own. That denial of a handshake will not help her at all when those same people share their viewpoints.

Still believe Bernie; would still vote for EW if she is the nominee, but this whole thing is a nightmare for progressives. Our country is doomed to more years of Centrism and Neo-Liberal Policies that will certainly doom us all even if Biden wins the Presidency (which I have doubts about despite everything saying it's a sure thing here).

I mean, outside of the twitter and Very Online bubble, my guess is you'll see a different response, which is that most people like most of the candidates.

shinra-bansho · Jan 15, 2020

InspectorJones said:
Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.

I'm pretty sure you're just looking at a different bubble lbr.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
yes but with team sports, it doesn't matter because there are literally no stakes.

I set my apartment on fire after every Jazz loss, there are 100% stakes here, reported to mods.

OfficerRob · Jan 15, 2020

InspectorJones said:
Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.

I bet you are getting these impressions from the twitter bubble

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I set my apartment on fire after every Jazz loss, there are 100% stakes here, reported to mods.

lmao

Blue Skies · Jan 15, 2020

Frankish said:
I am very annoyed by the fact that Warren's reputation as a progressive icon means absolutely nothing to certain people . Talk about a cult of personality.

I no longer support Warren because of her shitty healthcare and wealth tax policies, so I'm not saying this out of loyalty to her. I just think it's sad that all her achievements mean nothing simply because she had the nerve to run against a male with similar ideology.

In their eyes Bernie, the guy who's spent 30 years in government and just recently started influencing politics, is the best shot at progress.
not becausehe has a plan, or a history of getting shit done, but because it's a "movement".

Every great leader makes you think change is only possible with them, and they aren't possible without you. So his supporters only see him, becuase they think he sees them.

Deleted member 2426 · Jan 15, 2020

I mean Bernie looks badly in that exchange too. Just as bitter and petty. Both of them are acting ugly. Just watching what Bernie said, there were better ways to go over the issue, and even an apology would probably not hurt him more than dividing the progressive field. Then everyone could move on.

But idk, it just that I highly doubt Warren would be having this "nuke it all" attitude if she was polling higher than Bernie.

Ultimately politics are a play. Warren has played her card. If it works for her good. She would be the best candidate the Dems have ever run and possibly the most competent president ever.

We will know in one week though if polls start to shift. I am skeptical though.

ChucklesB · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I set my apartment on fire after every Jazz loss, there are 100% stakes here, reported to mods.

I'd hate to see it after another first-round exit coming up this yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Depths · Jan 15, 2020

Depths said:
I can't believe dumbasses like this are still allowed to post here. They are clearly plants and this place has become a joke.

ak1287 said:
Melkr's been around a while, and I think even at the old place? I doubt they're a plant, just dumber than shit and a terrible person.

I'm not aware of their other name. I was on the old place too . I can't even tell anymore between plants and people that are legit.

Kirblar · Jan 15, 2020

InspectorJones said:
Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.
And of course, there are probably a ton of trolls who wouldn't vote for either Candidate who will run with this for awful reasons of their own. That denial of a handshake will not help her at all when those same people share their viewpoints.

Still believe Bernie; would still vote for EW if she is the nominee, but this whole thing is a nightmare for progressives. Our country is doomed to more years of Centrism and Neo-Liberal Policies that will certainly doom us all even if Biden wins the Presidency (which I have doubts about despite everyone saying it's a sure thing here).

It's amazing how "outside of the ERA bubble" just means "the bubble that is bernie twitter"

Brian McDoogle · Jan 15, 2020

InspectorJones said:
Outside of the ERA bubble; most seem disappointed to absurdly outraged with Liz.

There's been snap polling or something? Or are you referring to other internet outlets like Twitter and Reddit?

InspectorJones · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
I mean, outside of the twitter and Very Online bubble, my guess is you'll see a different response, which is that most people like most of the candidates.

shinra-bansho said:
I'm pretty sure you're just looking at a different bubble lbr.

OfficerRob said:
I bet you are getting these impressions from the twitter bubble

Probably; in the real world I'm sure 80%+ of people aren't paying attention, and most of them will just decide whom to vote for on election day.

EDIT: If they bother to vote at all in the primaries or general election.

ak1287 · Jan 15, 2020

adam387 said:
There's no reason to be shitty to each other. If someone's posts annoy you, just block them. No reason to be antagonistic towards people instead of policies.

In general I agree, but I think a lot of posts today have been just pure, unadulterated sexist nonsense, and I'm not sure if I want to ignore that.

PixelatedDonut · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
I don't mean this just as about Bernie supporters, though they're guilty too -- it's a big part of the KHive, the Nancy stuff here, the MAGA crowd... It's not a good thing when people treat politicians with the reflexive defense one would tweet their favorite pop star.

Looking at this thread and the general discussion of politics on the site. I feel like some people lack self-reflection. Sometimes I feel like the next gen thread on gaming side is more civilized.

Aaron · Jan 15, 2020

Kaitos said:
I don't mean this just as about Bernie supporters, though they're guilty too -- it's a big part of the KHive, the Nancy stuff here, the MAGA crowd... It's not a good thing when people treat politicians with the reflexive defense one would tweet their favorite pop star.

Yeah totally, I think though whenever folks around here yasss queen for Pelosi or Clinton or whoever there's at least a hint of irony behind it? Like most of us are pretty sober about their weaknesses and disappointed when they fail.

Just think of everyone who cheered on Warren tonight who declared her candidacy dead on arrival. I was probably one of them.

I don't fuck with Twitter so the KHive is mostly invisible to me, here it seems to be more of a problem with the militant Sanders supporters (lord knows we don't have any actual Trump supporters, at least who talk about it openly), hence my bringing them up. But that is all my very biased perspective.

TheHunter · Jan 15, 2020

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
He's the most popular guy from Chapo Trap House, a popular Socialist podcast that adores Bernie Sanders and also cocaine and maybe Iran sometimes.

Well there's your problem.

Also glad to see the mask come off some online "leftists".

LOL memeing Warren into Hillary reveals what you all really are. Shit.

Chapo Leftists.

Chaos Legion · Jan 15, 2020

Kirblar said:
It's amazing how "outside of the ERA bubble" just means "the bubble that is bernie twitter"

LMAO

Kaitos · Jan 15, 2020

PixelatedDonut said:
Looking at this thread and the general discussion of politics on the site. I feel like some people lack self-reflection. Sometimes I feel like the next gen thread on gaming side is more civilized.

is this about me, I feel like I actually am quite self-reflexive. It's one of my only positive qualities.

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