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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 1| THE ANTI BENGHAZI (Read Staff Post)
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the nerve of that guy to say Obama killed too many muslims
I dunno, if they supported Gabbard and Stein, I think they would.
Are you suggesting people have other reasons to dislike them?
Let's be honest though. It's ideological.
This is what it comes down to. People make excuses for their candidates while others don't get a pass.
My opinion is most people have no clue who Nina Turner or Joy Gray are and the vitriol is there, because they opposed Clinton.
Well thats why I dislike both of them. Especially the Jill Stein garbage.
I think this is basically the disconnect. I was a fan of Brie Joy before she joined the campaign; to a lesser extent I was also familiar w/ David Sirota. Bernie supporters aren't phased by shallow critiques offered here because (I can speak for myself) it's the type of people I was hoping would be part of his campaign. The socialist candidate hired someone who voted for the Green Party. Okay?? And...?
He called him the n word repeatedly
West is not a great choice for black outreach
Dave Weigel @daveweigelWe all dunked on the "Williamson's debate moments will surge her to 5 percent" takes, but we haven't dunked enough on the "attacks from Hillary Clinton will make Gabbard stronger!" takes.
Per the DMR poll, Gabbard's favorables in Iowa are -42. Before the Hillary fight: -5.
Per the DMR poll, Gabbard's favorables in Iowa are -42. Before the Hillary fight: -5.
1:50 PM - Jan 12, 2020
...Which is what you're doing as well.
Nina Turner or Joy Gray could've been part of any campaign and I still wouldn't care for them.
Huh?
So, let's see if you can actually answer the question. Was there something you were implying about people not caring for Turner and Gray? Or are you just going to back away from that now?
Turner and Gray both have patterns of very poor judgement around people about which both are quite recalcitrant. It's perfectly normal to mistrust their judgement going forward.
Oh, having a problem with doxxing critics is a "shallow critique"? Questioning the judgement how voted for a spoiler/ huckster and not having meaningful introspection about it is a "shallow critique"?
Yet. He sure spent a lot of time propping her up in the past, tho.
And my thing is, people take that, and act like she committed a crime or did something unforgivable which is really fucking weird.
Brie voted for the Green Party in NY which is somehow worthy of writing her off completely and acting like she is a bad person.
To be fair, voting for Stein is idiotic. Gray's promoting doxxing is what reveals that she's a bad person.
Yes I think so. Writing off a presidential candidate for these reasons is silly and furthermore, being obsessed about people who vote Green, even though it is a dumb thing to do, is bizarre. I think that's right.
edit: Of course the Sanders institute. That world renowned institution that goes way back. This is the extent of Bernie "spending a lot of time propping her up"?
Right? Like, where's this level of vitriol for Biden, an actual candidate with a quasi segregationist past? I want that same energy for him, sisters!
Ah, but we're talking about the staffers right now, not the candidate.
And let's be real "voting Green" is a way to sugar coat just how rotten Stein is and how obvious a fraud she was during the election.
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2:00 PM - Jan 12, 2020
Yes I think it's an obviously wrong thing to do and intelligent people should have known better than to vote for her. I also think voting for Hillary in the primaries was an obviously wrong thing to do. But I refuse to hold that against anybody here.
She hypersped into her eventual endgame of Fox News Ghoul though... Her attacks just accelerated her timeline 🤣
Choosing Gabbard as a fellow for the Institute is a not-insignificant example of Sanders propping her up, no? It's not like there was a long list of fellows and what was the Institute doing by having her as one if not propping her up? I'm confused by your waving of this one off.
Do you think the standard for political behavior, communication and introspection should be the same for high level presidential campaign staffers and message board posters? And do you think voting for Hillary Clinton in a primary is the same as voting for Jill Stein in a general?
I think it's weird that people don't call out the argument Turner is making or how she is wrong. And you want me to say that I am saying it feels racist to focus on Turner and Brie with intense dislike and "cancelling." I guess I should understand they will receive the most dislike because they are the spokespeople for Sanders and have supported Tulsi. And Sanders is not popular here. You are right, but it kind of feels like others are getting a pass for being shitty.
No one has a problem justifying their own candidates actions that are in many ways a lot more severe. Joe Biden, for example, will be the person to rally around if Sanders wins the early states. I anticipate many people will rationalize that for electability.
Briahna Joy Grey voted for Jill Stein in a safe state which means she is forever cancelled. I think that's weird.
yeah I probably shouldn't have totally wave it off. it was wrong for Bernie to list her as a fellow. I was trying to point out that it doesn't amount to much because no one knows what the sanders institute is and last I heard it was shut down in may. I don't think it raised her profile any. But I would have preferred had he not been associated with her at all. But the reason for that is because their politics are not aligned at all - she is much more of a moderate than he is.
Stop replying to Bernie trolls jesus guys
You're doing it wrong then.
You're doing it wrong then.
he's lying
Especially since he could've spent his money and not do this vanity run at the same time.
I am going to assume these are all from the same dayOkay
So yeah.
Doesn't he look tired?
You're claiming she changes her jacket on the same DAY?! That's your excuse to dismiss the evidence? yeah, we're done here.
Well a shame she took the bait from an incomplete report. Volunteers are definitely being told NOT TO attack Warren or other candidates. Político run a poorly sourced article on it and it seems very disingenuous of Warren to just take the bait and say Bernie himself is commanding that.
Anyway, this was bound to happen. Hopefully Warren or Bernie drop before Super Tuesday if they are not winning primaries.
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I don't "want" you to say anything. I was hoping you'd clarify if there was something you were implying. If I misunderstood, sorry. It's bizarre to me to see people by like "nbd" when you have high level staffers keeping and promoting right wing extremists on their staff such as Turner did or promoting doxxing of critics like Gray did.
I don't like Joe Biden and I haven't rationalized anything about him, but thanks.
That's fair. I hope you can understand why the association (especially between her and Turner who has defended and propped her up frequently) raises red flags for people.
I was definitely just joking. I think Bernie made a mistake in propping her up (to use your terms). He has made a number of mistakes in endorsing or supporting bad democrats. There was also Tim Canova in Florida. But in general, I think these criticisms aren't very effective.
Bernie hiring people who are gonna support the Green nominee over Biden is a fucking problem. Sirota, Turner, and their ilk think Biden is equal to Trump. It gives credence to morons who will vote Green.
Oh, they're trolls. That's it. Nah, it feels like Bernie supporters are fed up with some of the stuff that gets dished out free reign. It's only a matter of time until AOC gets that heat from posters here. I mean, people were jumping at the chance to do the same towards Omar. It's one thing to criticize an action/vote (for example her dumb non vote for Armenian genocide). It's another to just start making people out to be trash and anything said by those people there after is seen as outrageous and offensive.
It's obvious all of this is based on ideology. Try to get as many on the progressive side to be labeled as trash. Meanwhile we have someone like Adam (no offense, just used you as an example) saying he supports Klobuchar, the same person that abuses her campaign staffers. Similarly, we get pragmatic defenses of Biden, the same person who sexually harassed people, the same person who voted for the Iraq war, worked with segregationists, etc...
Notice the key difference. Those same persons make it sacrilegious to post anybody's opinion they have deemed trash, but those that line ideologically with them or they're choosing to be pragmatic towards, despite their past get free reign to post anything from them without getting attacked. Certain people based on idealogy, you're allowed to be pragmatic towards and thus free to post their content, and others you're not allowed to.
I do love "it was just a joke, bro" when called out on something. It's neat how people think that makes what they said okay.
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