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DanGo

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Bolton's book comes out on March 17. This gives the committee time to review it and prepare questions.
I guess that's something, although just bring him in twice. Barr has time to travel the country giving speeches on shit outside of his purview and micromanaging the DOJ staff, he's got time to talk to congress. By the time this comes up they will be a dozen more things to quiz him on.
 

adam387

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I'm actually interested:

If you're opposed to letting Bloomberg on the stage to debate, what's your answer to how we hold him accountable to voters and combat his massive spending? I'm open to other ideas, I just can't really think of anything one could do outside debating him.
 
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I'm actually interested:

If you're opposed to letting Bloomberg on the stage to debate, what's your answer to how we hold him accountable to voters and combat his massive spending? I'm open to other ideas, I just can't really think of anything one could do outside debating him.
There's no answer! Which is why anyone polling this high should have to answer for their past.
 

Grexeno

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It's totally fucked that Bloomberg can just buy his way to double digits nationally, but keeping him off the debate stage just lets him control his own narrative in literally every single Super Tuesday state and that's bad.
 

The Namekian

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Didn't know this was an AP investigated story and not just Twitter centric

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Jonathan Lemire on Twitter

“WASHINGTON (AP) — At the height of the 2008 economic collapse, then-New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the elimination of a discriminatory housing practice known as “redlining” was responsible for instigating the meltdown. https://t.co/pRhH1pOdca”


This legitimately should bury him. Who can associate with this candidate after this story and expect to have a career once he drops out?
 

adam387

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There's no answer! Which is why anyone polling this high should have to answer for their past.
Ya, that's exactly where I am. He's horrible. He shouldn't be running. But he is. So we have to work with what we got. Let him on stage and let's hit him as hard as we can from every angle. Literally everyone on that stage is going to be out for blood against him.

Maybe not Pete. But he'll do is WHY CAN'T WE BE BETTER thing and then that'll be that.

The thing about the redlining bullshit is the candidate who can best make that argument against him...is Biden. Since that's actually how Biden got started. But then I remember Biden is....man he's old y'all. God.
 

Chaos Legion

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The dude has been a lifelong republican politican, donated millions of dollars to republican politicans, and has his own media publication that has his own fucking name on it. I'm sure the DNC could have denied him based off merit. (I'd go with the whole media thing but hey pick your poison).
Didn't he *switch to* the Republican Party in order to run for mayor? So he would have been a Democrat for ~50 years at that point.
 

XMonkey

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I agree, Bloomberg should be on the debate stage.

His ads with Obama are scummy as hell. Wonder if it'll reach a point where Obama says something.
 
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With regards to Bloomberg, electoral politics in this system are obviously corruptible and allow the rich and powerful to play with stacked decks. This is another illustration of systemic corruption (though we didn't need it).

There's no "fairness" here, but there is still an opportunity for political expression by the people governed, opportunity at the margins.

If the elites keep brazenly fucking with things like this, though, we'll continue to see the chance for a legitimation crisis to emerge, and then electoral legitimacy can collapse.
 

yogurt

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Sorry y'all, the Discord is only open to those who've donated at least $100 to Tom Delaney. Send proof (receipt) to Aaron for an invite.
 

SpitztheGreat

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I agree, Bloomberg should be on the debate stage.

His ads with Obama are scummy as hell. Wonder if it'll reach a point where Obama says something.
That would take leadership and Obama making a stand, and I'm sorry I just don't see him doing that. Obama could put an end to Bloomberg immediately, but he'll stay silent.
 

skullmuffins

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It looks like Warren's campaign isn't long for this world so I hope Bloomberg shows up on the Nevada debate state and she puts a dagger into his heart. (metaphorically, of course). Take him out. Frontrunners are too afraid to go nasty.
 

Arm Van Dam

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Kansas SoS dragging his feet with new law to go to any polling center as long you're in county, shades of Kobach


This is truly nuts.The Kansas Republican Secretary of State is simply refusing to implement a pro-voting law passed by the legislature last year. It seems clear that he will either comply with the law or get likely get sued. https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/02/12/us/politics/ap-us-voting-law-delay-kansas.html …
TOPEKA, Kan. — Kansas' top election official says the state needs another year to prepare before it can give voters a choice of polling places on Election Day, even though it has been nearly 10 months since the Legislature enacted a law aimed at making voting more convenient and boosting turnout.

Even some of Secretary of State Scott Schwab's fellow Republicans believe that at least Sedgwick County, which is home to the state's largest city, Wichita, is ready to allow voters to cast their ballots at any of its dozens of polling places. Democrats accuse Schwab of dragging his feet, and one lawmaker said during a lunch meeting with him and other lawmakers Wednesday that Schwab is engaged in a "voter suppression program."

The simmering dispute shows how voting rights issues remain contentious in Kansas even though firebrand conservative Republican Kris Kobach left the secretary of state's office early last year after losing the 2018 governor's race. Kobach successfully pushed for some of the nation's toughest voter ID laws, including a now-on-hold proof-of-citizenship requirement for new voters, making Kansas a magnet for lawsuits.

Schwab said he's being careful about allowing counties to move away from traditional polling sites, each for only a limited number of voters in a given area. He said his office is drafting "a book" of regulations required by the 2019 law to make sure that electronic lists of voters are secure and that computer systems don't crash on Election Day, adding "I'm not going to slap something together."

"We also have foreign nationals — foreign governments — trying to influence Kansas elections. This isn't the time to try something new," Schwab said during an Associated Press interview. "I think that the Iowa caucus shows you've got to be careful when you try to rapidly deploy new technology in an election system."

Sixteen states, starting with Colorado in 2004, have enacted laws allowing counties to run "voting centers" rather than traditional polling places, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Schwab said it typically takes a state three to four years to iron out security and computer issues and even under his timetable, Kansas would do it in two.

But Schwab's critics note that Sedgwick County already has multiple linked locations for voting in advance of Election Day. County Commissioner Jim Howell, a former Republican Kansas House member, said the voting equipment in use since 2017 was chosen with the goal of allowing voters to pick any polling place.
Howell said the county already can update its electronic voter registration records in real time using the security encryption that banks use in transferring money electronically.
"This idea — this is going take us to our knees — is ridiculous," Howell said.
Schwab, a former Kansas House member from the Kansas City area, won the secretary of state's race in 2018 after promising to return the secretary of state's office to its traditional low profile in Kansas politics. But the dispute over implementing last year's law has Democratic legislative leaders threatening to file a lawsuit to force him to move faster.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/...llback=true&imp_id=387598975&imp_id=424543611

State Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau, a Wichita Democrat, said she pushed for last year's bill because she's worried that some people who work on one side of Wichita and live on the other don't have time to get back to their home polling places after work.

Rep. John Carmichael, the Wichita Democrat who accused Schwab of voter suppression during Wednesday's lunch meeting with about two dozen area lawmakers, said afterward that Schwab can't point to any glitches in Sedgwick County's advance voting.

A bipartisan group of 26 lawmakers drafted a bill two weeks ago to require Sedgwick County to allow voters to use any polling place during the 2020 elections.
"I think what the secretary is really trying to do is to make it more difficult for folks to vote under the guise of election security," Carmichael said after the lunch meeting.
Schwab said that Election Day is different than advance voting because there are dozens more polling locations and far more voters involved. Also, he said, if a system for logging in voters and updating their records crashes, they cannot come back the next day or request a mail-in ballot.

And the bill to force the issue in Sedgwick County appears dead after County Election Commissioner Tabitha Lehman, a Kobach appointee, testified against it last week. She said Wednesday that she has confidence in the county's ability to move to voting centers but wants the flexibility to step back if testing shows a problem.

"We don't know what might pop up with one of our vendors," she said. "That was never the intent of the law, to force someone to do it."

Schwab also has allies among other county election officials. In northeastern Kansas, Douglas County Clerk Jamie Shew, an elected Democrat, said he deliberately doesn't electronically link voter registration lists for different polling places for security reasons.

Shew said "it sounds really easy" to declare that voters will cast their ballots at any polling site, but added, "It is a huge change in the way a county operates."
 

fauxtrot

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I'm actually interested:

If you're opposed to letting Bloomberg on the stage to debate, what's your answer to how we hold him accountable to voters and combat his massive spending? I'm open to other ideas, I just can't really think of anything one could do outside debating him.

I say let him on stage, it's the only way voters are going to hear about all of the terrible things he's said and done in his career and personal life. I know the Democratic Party can't keep him from running but I would hope every prominent member of the party that's to his left would be making it clear that his past actions are unacceptable. People generally don't like "Congress" but many like their individual representatives and would probably take what they think about Bloomberg into consideration. At the very least the story would be out there to the point where voters end up knowing what many would probably consider disqualifying before potentially voting for him in the primary.

At the very least, I hope the media starts asking other Democrats what they think about his past. It's a shame that he's controlling the narrative at this point and I fear some voters will feel betrayed if they hear about this stuff after voting for him in their primary. Having his past come out in the general would likely depress turnout again... something we all know has disasterous results.
 

Gotchaye

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I think it's a little hard to attack Bloomberg on buying his way into the race because ultimately what he's buying is support from actual voters. There's a reason that the money in politics talk is usually about other rich people giving money to politicians as a way to then get those politicians to do what they want. There's a reason that Trump was able to claim that because he was already rich there wasn't going to be any worry about that sort of thing with him. It's just not a compelling story to say that Bloomberg's support is somehow illegitimate because advertising works -- the first part is insulting to those supporters and no one really believes the second.

You've got to go after him on his record, and the easiest way to do that is to have him at the debates. Really the best possible way this could go for Bloomberg would be to be able to run as an outsider that the party establishment hates, who would love to debate but is being unfairly shut out, and then he continues to dominate tv.
 

Malleymal

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Lol!!! Imagine being Michael Cohen and cutting ties with Trump! He could have beeN Pardoned and all if he was just loyal....

He was contacted and told directly that he has friends on high places.... we know that is their play
 

Dahbomb

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Absolutely want to see Bloomberg on stage. Sanders was going off on him on CNN even bringing up stop and frisk.
 
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Bloomberg has the worst last decade of public statements from a politician running for office since like forever lmao. Makes Hillary's public statement rap sheet look milquetoast.
 

Dahbomb

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Just catching up on these Bloomberg statements....

I feel for my fellow New Yorkers having to be under this guy for 3 terms. Must have been rough.
 

XMonkey

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If anyone has access to Maddow's show you should really watch the first 30 minutes of tonights. She clearly lays out the precarious situation we're in regarding the rule of law. Really put a stark light on just what is at stake this November.
 

Dahbomb

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If anyone has access to Maddow's show you should really watch the first 30 minutes of tonights. She clearly lays out the precarious situation we're in regarding the rule of law. Really put a stark light on just what is at stake this November.
Saw her interview with Warren just earlier both were going off on the rule of law and Warren especially was going ham on Susan Collins plus GOP.
 

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/12/biden-allies-eye-alternative-bloomberg-114596

Has this article been posted? Sorry if it has.

I'm just blown away that anyone is seriously considering Bloomberg. This article basically says that if Biden drops out, an avalanche of black voters would shift to Bloomberg. Also, tons of liberals are scared shitless of Bernie Sanders.

I hate where this is all going.
These same people were considering Pete a week ago and are now considering Klob as well. Everyone's scrambling because there's no moderate front runner.
 

AnotherNils

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Dave Wasserman on Twitter

“New Hampshire primary votes cast in... 2012: Obama: 49,080 Republicans: 248,211 2020: Trump: 129,696 Democrats: 296,622 For a state that's voted blue the past four presidential elections, that's a pretty decent show of force for Trump (in a non-seriously contested primary).”

I read it as voter enthusiasm for 2020. Shit ain't gonna be a walk in the park.
 

Gotchaye

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I mean, if the rule were that you absolutely had to have some number of other donors, Bloomberg would have them.
 

devSin

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Steyer is our good billionaire. The guy is totally harmless.
No. Those ads are a goddamn nuisance, and he needs to shut up and go away.

I can't get 30 minutes peace without Richie Rich coming on the air with some sob story about how he's the only one who's ever cleaned up a mess and so he's the one who has to clean up this mess. Pandering, smarmy bullshit.

When they use "elite" as a slur, this is the guy they're talking about.

All those people who wished for Biden's collapse wished on a monkey's paw.
Save the GIF for when Bernie gets the nom and loses the general.
 

Linkura

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No. Those ads are a goddamn nuisance, and he needs to shut up and go away.

I can't get 30 minutes piece without Richie Rich coming on the air with some sob story about how he's the only one who's ever cleaned up a mess and so he's the one who has to clean up this mess. Pandering, smarmy bullshit.

When they use "elite" as a slur, this is the guy they're talking about.
But he has a crush on Bernie-kun
 
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This is the most bland Manchin moderating darling statement ever (from that Politico piece):
"If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he'll have to moderate. I'm not going socialist. Never been a socialist," Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. "If he doesn't change, I've got a dilemma there. We'll see. But we're talking about hypotheticals. I think there's going to be a lot happening between now and then."

He doesn't even commit to not voting for Sanders!
 

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Having said that, none of those rules about being a republican, donating to republicans (he's also donated to democrats) etc are in the DNC rules. Now, I'm 100% for changing the rules that says you have to be a registered Democrat to run in our primary. I'm 100% for changing the rules to make it a requirement you have to divest from any media holdings before running in our primary. All of these things I'm 100% fine with...but you can't do that halfway through a cycle to deny a specific person party backing.

As to the point about legitimizing him...I mean we let Marianne on the stage. I think one of the worst things we could possibly do is not let him on the stage and not give other candidates a chance to attack him on his record. Otherwise, you're letting him 100% write his own narrative. If we do not let him on the stage, who else is going to push him on all the horrible shit in his past. No one has the money to run a campaign against Bloomberg. And, this is probably the saddest part of all, but he is a legitimate candidate. He shouldn't be. I wish he wasn't. But he totally is. And, again, the only thing we know he's bought for certain is 13% in polls. We have no way of knowing if his strategy is going to work out of just blanketing state after state after state. IMO it's too risky to let him go unchecked and just hope he doesn't win.
No one would have also imagined someone would take advantage of this loophole way to skirt rules on financing in such an insane way. Its a blindside and it should have been corrected. Or they should have talked to him (And Steyer) about putting limits on their own personal financing.

You can give the joke tier candidates shit but they at least put a personal investment into the race and got some support. Bloomberg is a known name, has enough money to probably buy out his competitor's campaigns several times over, and is ruthless enough to put out ads with him hanging out with Obama like he's diamond joe biden. Its disgusting, shameless, and I hope debates have been pull to destroy him but seeing how the media is covering Bloomberg I highly doubt it. My hopes are that the moderates just split the votes enough times for a progressive candidate to squeak out a victory and at this point it looks like all hopes are on the bern.


Didn't he *switch to* the Republican Party in order to run for mayor? So he would have been a Democrat for ~50 years at that point.
I don't know what this is trying to argue because you could say the same for Trump and be accurate if you also took out the whole mayor part. In addition he was an independent in his 2009 re-election. He's someone who's played with both sides by wielding large amounts of cash for donations.
 
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