Sorry if this has been covered, but what's the source on the DNC wanting the satellite delegate distribution changed?
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And it bears repeating that like no one is arguing that any of this was handled well. To simplify a bit, the argument is over incompetence vs. rigging.
Something something, from my point of view the Jedi are evil? I like it.
All the DNC had to do was give off the appearance of being competent and nonbiased. Already they've failed. Perez must go.
National delegates? There will be no difference. Bernie and Pete are splitting them no matter who comes out on top.
It'll be completely negligible. The real value of winning Iowa is the momentum bump you get from winning, but that's been muddled now too, and no amount of recanvassing or relitigating delegate allocations is going to put that genie back in the bottle.
Let me save you the trouble: the answer is yes, fucking yes, the DNC and Tom Perez and everyone in the Democratic Party wants to win. Bernie Sanders wants to win. Mike Bloomberg wants to win. Everyone* wants to beat Trump. Everyone is scared shitless of not being able to beat him. That the Iowa caucuses are a creaky structural disaster built on decades of ridiculously contorted rules is not the secret plot of a democratic establishment that prefers losing. It's just shitty and incompetent vote counting. We all still want to win.
*everyone except maybe Tulsi Gabbard
Those Bernie people were saying things were rigged before Buttigeg even put in the request. They are seriously convinced that Buttigeg and the DNC funded the software maker to slow down the results being reported to...take the sales out of Bernie's win (excpet he didn't win or barely won?) and all of this was planned months in advance somehow...?
These people are crazy and are no better than Trump voters believing shit like pizzagate.
These people are crazy and are no better than Trump voters believing shit like pizzagate.
With de facto rigging through a level of incompetence that beggars belief being the moderate option.
These folks aren't going to listen to us, so it seems as though their own cohort should be policing their ignorance. We have many more months of this toxic BS to endure, regardless of who is the eventual nominee
CNN and Bloomberg citing anonymous sources.
This has basically nothing to do with what I'm saying, but go off, chief.
Also fair, I think "allies" within each portion of the left should probably be trying to chill out their brethren or call them out when needed to keep peeps focused on the general goal of beating the orange dude. You don't need to call him a dummy or anything, but yeah.
To continue the Star Wars trend. Good, Anakin, good. Now kill him. Kill him now.
Tbh I'll believe it once they show an ounce of willingness to get behind the leading candidate.
Your concern should be for this process to be conducted competently and transparently so people have no reason to delegitimize the process or results. Not people justifiably becoming disenfranchised from a shitshow public spectacle.
You had a pretty good analysis last night, please take a look at the remaining precincts, because Bernie can make up 3 SDEs on those, then whatever he gets on CD1 might offset the possible rule change.
I know CDs are giving Bernie a huge bump, but people are forgetting about the other precincts.
Dog the primaries aren't over yet. I want Sanders to win too but y'all are acting crazy as fuck and need to chill.
My number one concern is beating Trump. I don't think some of y'all share that, which is not good!
538 updated their primary predictor:
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Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary?
FiveThirtyEight's polls and forecast for the 2020 Democratic presidential primary election.
For me, that will be my concern when the time comes for that to be my main concern. Now is not that time. Now it is time to select the best choice for the Democratic nomination and imo that should be Bernie Sanders.
(key words in bold-italics)
so your saying the DNC should just annoint him before the primaries have finished , hell, only one has happened so far. I thought we were against the DNC favoring candidates before the process is over?
Stop framing it as thought the party writ large is trying to nefariously screw the results or election. There is no basis for it
Major news. It looks like the IDP is refusing Tom Perez's call for an immediate recanvas. Iowa will finish its current results and, as per the rules, be open to a recanvas if the campaigns request it thereafter.
Thanks! And you could be right. I took a very general look at the remaining districts as shown by the NYT and assumed the remaining 3% would be similar to the jump that occurred between 95% and 97%. More than willing to admit that I could be very wrong. Wouldn't that be a crazy ending, that honestly would probably work out best for all parties at this point. DNC's change wouldn't effect the result, Sanders gets the win his vote count shows is earned, Pete still comes out strong after several days of campaigning.
I don't think it would have been a good idea for the DNC to get behind Joe Biden.
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Wapo:Yeah, Trump didn't learn any new lessons from impeachment
He relearned an old lesson, though: No one will stop him.
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Recent history suggests that acquittals can prompt some demonstrated humility.
"I want to say again to the American people how profoundly sorry I am for what I said and did to trigger these events," President Bill Clinton said after his acquittal following his 1999 impeachment trial, "and the great burden they have imposed on the Congress and the American people."
Some in Trump's party seemed to think that Trump might be similarly chastened or, at least, come away from the situation a bit wiser.
"I believe that the president has learned from this case," Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said in an interview this week, explaining her decision to stand with Trump. "The president has been impeached. That's a pretty big lesson."
Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) offered a similar sentiment.
"I think that he knows now that, if he is trying to do certain things, whether it's ferreting out corruption there, in Afghanistan, whatever it is," she said, "he needs to go through the proper channels."
Trump made clear Thursday that nothing had changed at all.
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The impeachment? Just Democrats trying to take him down based on his July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. House Democrats, he said, "took nothing. They took a phone call that was a totally appropriate call. I call it a perfect call because it was. And they brought me to the final stages of impeachment."
"We went through hell, unfairly," he said at another point. For about the 80th time, he declared himself innocent of any wrongdoing: "Did nothing wrong. I did nothing wrong."
The acquittal? Another president might have been chastened by the fact that, for the first time in history, a member of the president's own party voted to convict on one of the two articles of impeachment. Democrats were joined by Republican Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah) and two independents to offer the first bipartisan impeachment rebuke of a president ever.
No lesson from that, either.
"Other than one failed presidential candidate," Trump said, "and I call that half a vote because he actually voted for us on the other one. But we had one failed presidential candidate. That's the only half a vote we lost."
"So we had almost 53 to nothing," he continued. "We had won 197 to nothing. And the only one that voted against was a guy that can't stand the fact that he ran one of the worst campaigns in the history of the presidency."
It's worth noting how Trump describes both of the votes on impeachment: 53 to 0 in the Senate and 197 to 0 in the House, tallies that include only members of his own party. Democratic votes literally don't count. (It's not clear, by the way, why Romney's vote against Trump should count as half a vote but his vote with Trump counts in full.)
Nothing about Trump's comments Thursday suggested anything close to contrition. Nothing suggested that Trump had been pushed closer to how presidents have acted in the past; nothing indicated that Trump would approach his position with a new sense that boundaries existed.
Instead, speaking before allies in one of the White House's ornate rooms, it seemed obvious that the only lesson Trump learned was to lean into how he'd been doing things all along. That, yet again, an effort to hold him accountable for his actions or keep him in check had failed and that, yet again, he was free to be even more himself.
He swore. He disparaged perceived opponents as "scum." He made crude insinuations about two former FBI officials.
Even when he was lavishing praise on an ally things got weird. As he was offering his thanks to House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), Trump went into great detail about the morning Scalise was shot in Virginia, segueing into how much blood Scalise had lost and then a play-by-play of the Congressional Baseball Game in which Scalise subsequently played.
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The ones who should certainly have learned a lesson about Trump's behavior by now are the rest of us. People like Joni Ernst and Susan Collins.
To her credit, Collins did, in a subsequent interview, indicate that perhaps her confidence in a newly changed Trump might have been misplaced.
"Well, I may not be correct on that," Collins said.
lol, Butti getting no love538 updated their primary predictor:
Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Primary?
FiveThirtyEight's polls and forecast for the 2020 Democratic presidential primary election.
Looks like it's Sanders' to lose
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that from where I'm looking it doesn't really look like they want to win.
There's a point where incompetence appears (or effectively becomes) nefarious regardless of their speculative & metaphysically-inaccessible intentions.
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True but that notion doesn't stand up to even the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Bloomberg didn't have to consult an oracle to predict his collapse months ago.
And that's fine! Spreading conspiracies and THREATENING PEOPLE WITH TRUMP is not fine. That's what I'm talking about. Jesus fuck.
So, let me make sure I have this all straight, because I am old and I have a lot of kids and they literally drain your brain power:
The DNC decided to listen to Bernie's supporters and make the Iowa caucus more transparent by agreeing, without opposition, to the rule change to make it a requirement that the IDP report the raw vote totals before and after realignment. At the same time, or relatively shortly thereafter, the DNC also did : waves arms magically : so that Pete would not become the DNC Chair. They loved their boy Pete so much they had to stop him from being chair. The Iowa Democratic Party decided to hire someone who had no business developing an app to develop an app specifically so they could somehow rig the results against Bernie Sanders. On caucus night, the IDP/DNC decided to destroy their own reputation, have literal hundreds of caucus sites fuck up, and refuse to report results until such time as they could rig this in favor of Pete. So, instead of outright rigging it for Pete, and not Biden who most of THE ESTABLISHMENT wants, they decide to throw the whole thing into chaos. Literally ruining Iowa's reputation and making it so it is very, very unlikely this dumbass state will ever go first again. Then, after days of confusion, they go OH SHIT THE RIGGING WE DID WASN'T ENOUGH, so now we need Tom Perez to come in and say that the extremely esoteric rules that we used to allocate Satellite Caucus results (a thing we've never, ever done before on top of never having to report popular vote totals) are possibly wrong. And all of this has gone off without a hitch, because Democrats are so good at literally everything, we can manage to rig a caucus with a literal paper trail. Because that totally sounds like Democrats. When I think "Democrat" I think "highly competent."
The DNC decided to listen to Bernie's supporters and make the Iowa caucus more transparent by agreeing, without opposition, to the rule change to make it a requirement that the IDP report the raw vote totals before and after realignment. At the same time, or relatively shortly thereafter, the DNC also did : waves arms magically : so that Pete would not become the DNC Chair. They loved their boy Pete so much they had to stop him from being chair. The Iowa Democratic Party decided to hire someone who had no business developing an app to develop an app specifically so they could somehow rig the results against Bernie Sanders. On caucus night, the IDP/DNC decided to destroy their own reputation, have literal hundreds of caucus sites fuck up, and refuse to report results until such time as they could rig this in favor of Pete. So, instead of outright rigging it for Pete, and not Biden who most of THE ESTABLISHMENT wants, they decide to throw the whole thing into chaos. Literally ruining Iowa's reputation and making it so it is very, very unlikely this dumbass state will ever go first again. Then, after days of confusion, they go OH SHIT THE RIGGING WE DID WASN'T ENOUGH, so now we need Tom Perez to come in and say that the extremely esoteric rules that we used to allocate Satellite Caucus results (a thing we've never, ever done before on top of never having to report popular vote totals) are possibly wrong. And all of this has gone off without a hitch, because Democrats are so good at literally everything, we can manage to rig a caucus with a literal paper trail. Because that totally sounds like Democrats. When I think "Democrat" I think "highly competent."
I will say. DNC and Perez aren't really doing themselves any favors by even doing something like this. It even gives well reasoned people the thought that "something" is going on.
No there actually isn't.
Your saying their intentions are "metaphysically inaccessible" should be a clue to not pretend to divine them by ascribing malice. You can argue that ineptitude equals damage. That's a fair assessment. But to come in here posting that "it's basically An evil plot even if they don't mean it to be" is disingenuous and not based on anything factual. Stop it.
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The 538 updates on Sanders are incredibly encouraging, but we're only through one primary (and not even that, really). I feel like their model is overreacting like crazy. But god I hope this is the direction we're going. I think we need a couple more states under our belt to start solidifying things.
Extremely hopeful for a Sanders victory!
Extremely hopeful for a Sanders victory!
The DNC reeeeeeeeally wishes Biden was the leading candidate.
Them being metaphysically inaccessible makes them irrelevant in this case.
This degree of incompetence beggars belief even by the standards of democrats, making mere incompetence not feel entirely satisfying as an explanation but ymmv.
Maybe if this was more transparent it wouldn't be so rife for reasonable speculation, which is what we do in metaphysics fwiw! An injunction against ever knowing the facts of metaphysical problems doesn't stop us from venturing our best guesses lol.
I actually found a policy of his I support guys. Sort of shocked.
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