It'd give us another 4 years of Trump and maybe a Republican House.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
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"Who could have possibly seen this coming?" Dems the day after the election when Trump wins again
I don't see how a contested convention doesn't give Trump a good chance of a win no matter the layout.
It wouldn't even just be Bernie's base. I'm trying to imagine minority turnout after Bloomberg gets blasted for months on end for being even more racist than Trump.
There is no reason not to vote for Bernie if he is the nominee
Its ridiculous. The whole "too far left" and socialism scare tactics are all horseshit
Hes been in public service for decades and knows how to 2ork with people and listen to reason. He isn't trump and anything people are scared about from a policy perspective can build a coalition to check him in midterms
I just dont get the fervor here
Its ridiculous. The whole "too far left" and socialism scare tactics are all horseshit
Hes been in public service for decades and knows how to 2ork with people and listen to reason. He isn't trump and anything people are scared about from a policy perspective can build a coalition to check him in midterms
I just dont get the fervor here
Not really. The party could coalesce around a single candidate and move to declare a nominee by acclamation without a vote. If Sanders has 30% of the vote or less by the convention (which is likely, especially if he doesn't lead) there's no way to stop it.
If he is the nominee through a contested convention you will see a bunch of people get pissed by the fuckery from the other camps. Contested convention is something we do not want.
Like I said, suicide. Cutting out the top vote getter would permanently fracture the party, whoever that person is.
Here's what would actually happen: either 1) the person with a plurality of delegates allies with enough people to gain the majority, or 2) the person with a plurality accepts some sort of deal which does not involve the nomination, though it's hard to see what.
"Cutting out" the person with the most votes is electoral suicide and would be the end of the party. There can be no unity after such a move. Fortunately, Democratic delegates have shown no inclination they will follow this insane course of action, as they want to win.
Not to mention his far-left tendencies can be effectively moderated by the legislature.
I'd prefer someone not as far left,'but you have to be a willful idiot at this point to think that a) the far right isn't far more dangerous in this country and b) the US is going to suddenly turn socialist.
I don't think a convention where Bernie wrapped up 40% of the vote in later contests is all that controversial if there are two other candidates running in the 25%/25% range. You go with Bernie, duh.
If Bernie has a narrow delegate lead and is winning later contests by 27-26% vs 2 others at 25%/22% and 3 others hanging around in the single digits-yeah THAT is the shitfest scenario. Also pretty unlikely!
I'm saying it would ensure a massive shitfest come election day.
It would be a really, really, really bad idea to not give the nomination to whoever has the most delegates.
This assumes sanders has the most votes, which isnt a sure thing at all.
Second, it assumes he has a significant lead in votes if a lead exists. If Biden has 32%, Bloomberg has 33%, and Sanders has 35% for instance then theres no clear winner. The plurality is meaningless since 60+% of the field wants a different candidate.
Biden/Bloomberg suspending and backing each other on the other hand swamps Sanders 65-35, and he loses with a clear majority.
And Keep in mind, Sanders fucked himself here since there is plenty of tape with him making the argument that delegates should "vote their concience" and nominate him over Hillary even though she had the delegate lead in 2016.
All the party has to do is play his own words back at him.
I'm not sure what this tells us, but I would point out that his best two challengers have no chance at the nom, so is this really valuable info?
Might as well erase the Democratic party if Bernie gets plurality going into the convention (with a healthy lead over the next few candidates) and then they make Bloomberg the nominee. It doesn't matter if Bloomberg spends all of his 60 billion, he will get embarrassed by Trump anyway with such a fractured party.
More than anything though, you are just taking a massive dump on Democracy and admitting to the world that yeah.... US is a plutocracy.
More than anything though, you are just taking a massive dump on Democracy and admitting to the world that yeah.... US is a plutocracy.
Your entire line of thinking is predicated upon Sanders winning the most votes and then being cut out, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. If someone else gets the most votes then the same applies to them.
Anyway, I am impressed how you can discount people's feelings as meaningless. Have you met many humans?
Someone is going to get a strong plurality. There's zero chance we end up at the convention with three candidates getting delegate percentages in the 30s.
And they didn't. Nor will they this time.
I think you're just taking contrarian positions to play deval's advocate.
In all honesty, I truly believe that there are some high ranking Democrats that would rather have 4 more years of Trump than Bernie.
It would certainly continue the trend of 2020 being a bruh moment.
I'm trying to remain optimistic. Praying for a clean win for Bernie in Nevada.
It seems to be evidence against the idea that Sanders has a hard cap of 25% of Dem voters, that once more candidates drop out all of their support will go to whoever the anti-Bernie candidate is because they hate Bernie or think he's unacceptably progressive or whatever reason.
The party has made it pretty clear that Sanders is the last person they want winning the nomination. Endorsements are the clearest indicator of this and Sanders is isolated. I expect politics to occur to prevent that because this is politics.
If someone else (bloomberg, biden) has the most votes that scenario doesn't apply, because those two didnt spend the last decade shitting on the DNC and calling democrats corrupt.
You cannot ignore the bad blood sanders has with the rest of the party in a scenario where party insiders (i.e. delegates) decide the winner. Sanders needs to rack up a majority or damned close to it to get himself nominated- but the math isn't there.
The hardcore sanders base isn't going to be happy with any nominee who isn't sanders, regardless of whether he wins or loses the popular vote. The nomination will not revolve around their feelings. It will revolve around which candidate best serves the needs of the country as determined by the party.
This won't be Sanders.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
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Frankly, with the state of the Senate and the judiciary after Trump, you'd need a far left candidate just to get things back to the middle.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
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Ahahahaha. What a joke.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
Hope Hicks too! So many returning guest stars!You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
none of them could get another job
You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
Getting the boyz back together i see
You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
They just keep crawling back to him
You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
Bannon is probably next.
God, as if we needed deja vu on top of the overall dread.
Trump will never forgive Bannon for Alabama and the Fire and Fury book
This is horseshit, it's a way to get paid for working on the campaign. I don't think people realize how pivotal Priebus was in particular for dragging Trump's sorry ass over the finish line.
This is a line of thinking that makes a lot of assumptions about the primary process that haven't been tested since the 70s.
The old model - the "smoke filled rooms" stuff - that was about picking the candidate with the broadest appeal to the party. They didn't always get it, but that was the point. But as primaries became more and more important, that's fallen away to a great extent. Now it's much more like a general election with whoever gets the most votes taking the whole thing. The res still some concessions arelound the edges, mind. I wouldn't expect Bernie to get carte blanche to set the party platform and you'll likely see a moderate-pleasing VP (even if it's just kn terms of personality), but if he goes jnto this with more votes than anybody else the pressure to find some way to put him at the top of the ticket will be tremendous.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
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President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
my god we just getting the whole fucking band together.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
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You gotta be fucking kidding me
Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles
President Donald Trump has rehired his former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former press secretary Sean Spicer almost three years after both men unceremoniously departed the White House.This article was originally published at SalonPriebus and Spicer will each join the President's Commission...
Also from that Tribune poll
We could also pick up TX-22 and TX-24 alongside TX-23
We could also pick up TX-22 and TX-24 alongside TX-23
The Amy and Pete data perfectly showcase how out of touch the pundit class is. These are the people you want to promote?
It hasn't been tested since the 70s because nobody wants a contested convention. Its damaging and toxic to the party.
The best way to avoid this is to have a candidate voted in on the first round- and the party can (and probably should) do this by settling on an establishment candidate beforehand. This candidate won't be Sanders for the reasons stated previously, and a slim lead in the popular vote won't be enough of an argument to hand the nomination to him. Sanders himself made that argument in 2016. It should be who is best suited to win in the General.
If it goes to "superdelegates" in the second round that makes things a whole lot worse.
Clearly we disagree, so its best to move on and we'll see how things shake out at the convention.
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