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MMBosstones86

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump's record this 3 years has been so awful I don't even know which angle the candidate even starts at. It's like choice paralysis on the debate stage.

There hasn't been a SINGLE aspect in politics where he hasn't completely shit the bed in. Yes even including his house of cards economy with his bad trade deals, shitty tariffs, farmer/manufacturing decline, stagnating wages/inequality, worst stock decrease since 2008 etc.

Honestly, one of the things that's the most "concerning" to me is how the whole administration from the top down has destroyed to notion of FACTS and RIGHT vs WRONG. Those concepts just don't exist anymore. The consequences of purging all these specific teams of people who deal in right and wrong and replacing all with loyalists is going to take such a long time to clear and repopulate.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,620
Because I trust Biden to do what the party says, nominate and staff his administration with competent people, and not be - or let his zealots be - antagonistic toward congressional Democrats.
The Senate Dems who have worked with him don't seem to find him particularly antagonistic though.

I am concerned about who Bernie fills out an administration with. I am not really concerned about how well he would or wouldn't get along with Pelosi and Schumer.
 

jph139

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
14,378
When you start picking out individual policies, Bloomberg and Yang have like 90% of the standard Republican positions covered, so it makes a perverse sort of sense.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Senate Dems who have worked with him don't seem to find him particularly antagonistic though.

I am concerned about who Bernie fills out an administration with. I am not really concerned about how well he would or wouldn't get along with Pelosi and Schumer.

He's not gonna put morons in positions of power

None of our current candidates would outside of maybe Bloomberg
 

Kmonk

#TeamThierry
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Oct 30, 2017
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wtf man hes not even in a official position within our government


It's covered because he's a child of the POTUS. He's under the security blanket that protects the first family, including secret service presence and secure travel accommodations.

It's never been an issue in the past, because no other president has worked to aggressively expanded their business empire while in office, thereby outsourcing all costs to taxpayers.
 

fragamemnon

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Nov 30, 2017
6,843
"Have the reciepts" is corporate venacular where I work, meaning that I have the data and all the buy-in needed to back my plan. Dunno why it is newsworthy when a politician uses it. Then again, I make Hank Hill references in meetings, what would i know!


The number floats depending on who's more enthusiastic to reply to the survey more than any actual preference factor in populace.
 

Sheepinator

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Jul 25, 2018
28,008

Ummm yeah.

Here's Eric Trump just a few months ago:

"The difference between us and Hunter (Biden) is when my father became commander in chief of this country, we got out of all international business."

So why the hell are taxpayers paying for international business trips for him? And why the hell does it cost so much for two days?

 

IggyChooChoo

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Oct 25, 2017
8,230
Crazy conspiracy time - if coronavirus support goes poorly trump jettisons pence from the ticket
I think it is plausible but also utterly unhelpful to Trump. If coronavirus goes very badly, I don't think there's much any competent, intelligent president could do to survive it, much less an incompetent, dumb one.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,620
He's not gonna put morons in positions of power

None of our current candidates would outside of maybe Bloomberg
I mean, I don't think very highly of some of his highest level campaign staffers, and it feels like he often does the same thing Hillary did of elevating people because they were loyal to him more than anything else. But even worse because Bernie hasn't been around as long and has a smaller pool of supporters to draw from for this stuff.

I'm not so much worried about him putting complete morons who know nothing about their job into Cabinet posts like Trump has. But I'm also not really assuaged by many of his campaign hires.
 

fragamemnon

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Nov 30, 2017
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Trump/Gingrich is like the bookends of how our government was turned into an unresponsive, ineffective, minority rule mess.

Bernie has a lot of good staffers on his campaign and a few very hard to ignore caustic people.

Cabinet would be meaningless because it would just be Democrats that won offices in places. But you can see a WH staff and administration that's prone to lack of message discipline and unforced errors.
 

Vector

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Feb 28, 2018
6,657
It's both hilarious and terrifying how Trump finally gets a big domestic challenge to manage and just hands the reins over to Pence. He is incapable of solving even the smallest of problems, let alone something that could spiral out into a real crisis.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
16,493
I mean, I don't think very highly of some of his highest level campaign staffers, and it feels like he often does the same thing Hillary did of elevating people because they were loyal to him more than anything else. But even worse because Bernie hasn't been around as long and has a smaller pool of supporters to draw from for this stuff.

I'm not so much worried about him putting complete morons who know nothing about their job into Cabinet posts like Trump has. But I'm also not really assuaged by many of his campaign hires.

I feel like the types of people that get involved with Campaigns and PR are a completely different set of people from the pool that you draw from for Cabinets and all that

And look I know norms have been thrown out the window thanks to Trump but like man...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like the types of people that get involved with Campaigns and PR are a completely different set of people from the pool that you draw from for Cabinets and all that

And look I know norms have been thrown out the window thanks to Trump but like man...
Honestly, other way around. Candidates run the WH like their campaigns. WH Trump isn't much different from the campaign general state of chaos, and Obama ran his campaign much like how he ran the WH. The campaigns are a pretty good indicator of how the candidates fare as an executive
 

Arm Van Dam

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It's both hilarious and terrifying how Trump finally gets a big domestic challenge to manage and just hands the reins over to Pence. He is incapable of solving even the smallest of problems, let alone something that could spiral out into a real crisis.
It's because he doesn't want to bear responsibility at all and is more concerned about the stock market than being concerned about the health of millions.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,326
It's both hilarious and terrifying how Trump finally gets a big domestic challenge to manage and just hands the reins over to Pence. He is incapable of solving even the smallest of problems, let alone something that could spiral out into a real crisis.

It's because he's a coward at heart who doesn't want to confront problems. He wants to appear like he is the big man but in every instance he always tries to throw blame to other people
 

Kmonk

#TeamThierry
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Oct 30, 2017
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It's both hilarious and terrifying how Trump finally gets a big domestic challenge to manage and just hands the reins over to Pence. He is incapable of solving even the smallest of problems, let alone something that could spiral out into a real crisis.


I'm picturing Pence in those Trump/Pelosi/Schumer meetings, when he all but faded into the wallpaper.

I'm positive that he'll have almost no impact on the outbreak one way or the other: if we get thru it, it will be totally based on luck and the vagaries of the illness. If the outbreak is bad, we'll absorb the full brunt of it.
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
19,729
Campaign and admin choices are at least a bit different. If only because congresspeeps and actual people have different desires.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,128
Mike's campaign went from an imminent threat to a non factor in the news this week. I'll laugh into my sleep if all of that money spent translates into fucking nothing and a third place behind a languid Biden campaign.
 

Arm Van Dam

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Mar 30, 2019
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Meanwhile at CPAC



Charlie Kirk complains that wearing a Bernie Sanders shirt will get you high-fives and "invites to the coolest parties."



Food at CPAC: not cheap!

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AndyD

Mambo Number PS5
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Oct 27, 2017
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It's both hilarious and terrifying how Trump finally gets a big domestic challenge to manage and just hands the reins over to Pence. He is incapable of solving even the smallest of problems, let alone something that could spiral out into a real crisis.
At its core this is not a bad strategy from a leader. Appoint top, experienced people to handle specific issues and you just make sure to cut through red tape and coordinate among the various areas of government so they are all successful. Where it falls flat with him is that he appoints poor people and then backstabs them over any failures. And they each compete with the other to personally (not professionally) please, since that's the only way to survive any criticism or failure.
 

Boss

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Oct 25, 2017
951
Honestly, one of the things that's the most "concerning" to me is how the whole administration from the top down has destroyed to notion of FACTS and RIGHT vs WRONG. Those concepts just don't exist anymore. The consequences of purging all these specific teams of people who deal in right and wrong and replacing all with loyalists is going to take such a long time to clear and repopulate.
This is not something unique to Trump lol
 

FreezePeach

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think this is what is sort of pissing me off -- a lot of people are trying to minimize it by comparing it to SARS or H1N1 or Ebola when it's far easier to spread than any of those.
I dont know if the people that keep saying 'remember the flu kills like 60k people a year or whatever' know that if this virus was as widespread as the flu that number would be over a million.
 
Jan 29, 2018
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I'm somewhat baffled by Sanders' embrace of the 'democratic socialism' moniker when the s-word is such a trigger on the right, but also at least equally baffled that none of the Democratic candidates will point out that if you don't like socialism, I guess we'll get rid of public schools and social security too.

Basically, would the Medicare for All fight be any easier if Bernie came up with a different word for "socialist"?
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
I dont know if the people that keep saying 'remember the flu kills like 60k people a year or whatever' know that if this virus was as widespread as the flu that number would be over a million.
Not to mention the virus is more lethal to diabetics which, in the U.S., is super common. Not even to mention that coronavirus is more contagious than the flu.
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm somewhat baffled by Sanders' embrace of the 'democratic socialism' moniker when the s-word is such a trigger on the right, but also at least equally baffled that none of the Democratic candidates will point out that if you don't like socialism, I guess we'll get rid of public schools and social security too.

Basically, would the Medicare for All fight be any easier if Bernie came up with a different word for "socialist"?
Should just have been Social Democrat since that's probably closer to what he actually is. It's still not going to stop the socialist labels though.
 
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