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Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, I regret missing that productive overnight discourse.

Anyway, Inside Elections, the most cautious forecaster, has made a number of House ratings changes, most benefiting us.



HOUSE RATINGS CHANGES

@InsideElections
has shifted the following race ratings: Benefitting Democrats—
AZ-02 (Kirkpatrick, D) - Likely D ⇒ Solid D
FL-15 (Spano, R) - Solid R ⇒ Likely R
IL-06 (Casten, D) - Likely D ⇒ Solid D
MI-08 (Slotkin, D) - Lean D ⇒ Likely D (Cotd.)

MI-13 (Amash, I) - Lean R ⇒ Tilt R
MN-02 (Craig, D) - Likely D ⇒ Solid D
NJ-11 (Sherrill, D) - Likely D ⇒ Solid D
NY-19 (Delgado, D) - Lean D ⇒ Likely D
WI-03 (Kind, D) - Likely D ⇒ Solid D

Benefiting Republicans—
CA-25 (Open) - Solid D ⇒ Likely D
FL-26 (Murcasel-Powell, D) - Solid D ⇒ Likely D
KY-06 (Barr, R) - Likely R ⇒ Solid R
MN-08 (Stauber, R) - Likely R ⇒ Solid R
NC-09 (Bishop, R) - Lean R ⇒ Likely R
TX-31 (Carter, R) - Lean R ⇒ Likely R

Especially good news for Kind and Delgado, whose districts Trump might win again.

We won't lose the House. Bernie won't lose us the House.
 

SolarPowered

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Oct 28, 2017
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Imagine kicking Justin Amash out of the party for doing what the previous presidential candidate of the Republican party did and losing his seat to a democrat just to placate a baby in his seventies.
Perez is already cautioning the news outlets that results may not come in until the next day or later. So it'll be some variation of the above or "Democrats screw up again"
It's so silly because surely they would at least be able to fully count the first round of votes within a single day. Hell, at least half of them are written down in ranked choice vote form which should be easier to tally than a messy caucus. Odds are Bernie will lead by such a large margin that he can declare victory on Saturday and we don't have to endure another week long media cycle of democrat incompetence. Trump's tweets are going to drive me up a wall lol.
 
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Ezra Klein on Twitter

“I loved this book discussion with Ta-Nehisi Coates. That the right envies the left’s cultural power, and the left envies the right’s political power, and so both sides feel like they’re losing simultaneously, is crucial to understanding politics right now. https://t.co/CR7cssvkdQ”
 

The Namekian

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That's fair. You're not wrong about Bernie. However, as far as I can remember, Bernie's desire for such a scenario in 2016 was always unrealistic and felt like a joke at the time (though naturally one can argue whether or not it hurt Hillary in the general).

Here, the scenario is absolutely a real possibility. I don't think I've seen anyone here argue otherwise and we've all discussed possible outcomes if such a situation were to occur this year. And we know for sure that Bloomberg's plan in particular hinges on this happening and at this point, it feels like the most likely way for most other candidates running still to land the nomination too.

To me, it's just rather frightening how we're even in a situation where we're talking about how our votes just might not even matter at all in the primary because of various candidates' personal interests.

Are you forgetting that this system exist because there are no superdelegates to get behind the primary lead to end the contest. Bernie set this system up.

A brokered convention also is not a tool to take the nomination from Bernie or the delegate lead. At worst he would probably have to take a VP who is more moderate or agree to single payer (which on the low is much more likely to occur than M4A but that is a conversation). If it is taken from him that means another candidate GOT style out politic'd him at the convention AND convinced Bernie not to fight it because if he did there would be no point come GE.
 

The Namekian

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twitter.com

Ezra Klein on Twitter

“I loved this book discussion with Ta-Nehisi Coates. That the right envies the left’s cultural power, and the left envies the right’s political power, and so both sides feel like they’re losing simultaneously, is crucial to understanding politics right now. https://t.co/CR7cssvkdQ”


Envy the republicans cheating basically
 
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Are you forgetting that this system exist because there are no superdelegates to get behind the primary lead to end the contest. Bernie set this system up.

Yes, I was forgetting. Bernie wasn't my favored candidate here for a long time- I prefer Warren, but I don't know how likely her odds at winning at this point are.

A brokered convention also is not a tool to take the nomination from Bernie or the delegate lead. At worst he would probably have to take a VP who is more moderate or agree to single payer (which on the low is much more likely to occur than M4A but that is a conversation). If it is taken from him that means another candidate GOT style out politic'd him at the convention AND convinced Bernie not to fight it because if he did there would be no point come GE.

And that's all well and good, minus the tail end part. I try not to be a doom and gloom kind of person, it just unsettles me to see the discussion on this particular topic go a certain way.
 

UberTag

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
15,359
Kitchener, ON
Well, I regret missing that productive overnight discourse.

Anyway, Inside Elections, the most cautious forecaster, has made a number of House ratings changes, most benefiting us.



Especially good news for Kind and Delgado, whose districts Trump might win again.

We won't lose the House. Bernie won't lose us the House.

Yeah, the House is looking rock solid. Are there people actually touting that Bernie will cost Dems the House with a straight face?

Got to get them older votes...... I just don't know if they use social media
They use Facebook. That's how they keep in touch with the grandkids.
 
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It's cold as hell in Reno (36°) and it's raining in Vegas today. RIP caucus.

Also, Captain America seems like he has a vague idea of what's going on. He needs some politically active POC friends to lead him to the right path. Anthony "All Lives Matter" Mackie ain't it.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Captain America knows this is a big deal.

I don't know how the answer to this isn't packing the court if Dems can get in with a trifecta. The pattern has been obvious and the Supreme Court has essentially become Trump's personal last line of defense. Sure some rulings they have not gone with him on, but that's rare and usually on some extreme technicality even Roberts can't go along with.
 

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Well, I regret missing that productive overnight discourse.

Anyway, Inside Elections, the most cautious forecaster, has made a number of House ratings changes, most benefiting us.



Especially good news for Kind and Delgado, whose districts Trump might win again.

We won't lose the House. Bernie won't lose us the House.


i think there's definitely a point to be made about Sanders surging coinciding with Democrats surging nationwide. just a moment in a long election, of course. but a noteworthy moment. regardless of whether it's directly tied to Sanders, there's clearly a surge of confidence in the Democratic party in general going on.
 

Chaos Legion

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I don't know how the answer to this isn't packing the court if Dems can get in with a trifecta. The pattern has been obvious and the Supreme Court has essentially become Trump's personal last line of defense. Sure some rulings they have not gone with him on, but that's rare and usually on some extreme technicality even Roberts can't go along with.
Packing the courts is an irrational, reactionary path that will not actually solve anything in the long-term and will most likely backfire on the Democrats.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Packing the courts is an irrational, reactionary path that will not actually solve anything in the long-term and will most likely backfire on the Democrats.
I mean, irrational? Given the current realities and situation of the court? Seems harsh. Is that any more irrational than hoping someone like Thomas croaks but only if it's during a Dem presidency and Senate?

SCOTUS has not always been 9 justices. Seems like just about any Dem initiative is at risk for backfire and long-term pain when the other party gets back into power. I mean people hated ACA just long enough to fuck the Dems in the House and Senate. Even though it was an improvement. Now people like it more. Unfortunately damage was done in 2010.
 

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I think the reality of "King Trump" is really starting to set in for folks, though it should have fucking happened in 2016.
 

Chaos Legion

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I mean, irrational? Given the current realities and situation of the court? Seems harsh. Is that any more irrational than hoping someone like Thomas croaks but only if it's during a Dem presidency and Senate?

SCOTUS has not always been 9 justices. Seems like just about any Dem initiative is at risk for backfire and long-term pain when the other party gets back into power. I mean people hated ACA just long enough to fuck the Dems in the House and Senate. Even though it was an improvement. Now people like it more. Unfortunately damage was done in 2010.
I mean, optically, Democrats can't really complain about executive branch overreach if they intend to rid themselves of the checks and balances inherent to what should be an independent and co-equal arm of the government... through executive branch overreach.

But pragmatically, if Bernie packs the courts and is a one term president, the legislation that is pushed through would simply wait to be challenged until a Republican ascends to the presidency and packs the court to his liking.

I can understand the call for reform of the judiciary branch, which may yield longer-term benefits. But court packing is just a band aid and missing the larger problem.
 

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If Democrats win back the senate in 2020 they're going to have to be in serious "break the glass case" mode. DC and PR statehood are absolute MUSTS if we are to prevent Republicans from gaining back control court system and continuing to erode our democracy/rule of law/checks and balances/intelligence community. We're going to need years just to deal with the lopsided court appointments of the last three years. Obama needs to go back to Steve Bullock and get a yes. I don't trust Iowa to kick out Joni Ernst.
It's cold as hell in Reno (36°) and it's raining in Vegas today. RIP caucus.

Also, Captain America seems like he has a vague idea of what's going on. He needs some politically active POC friends to lead him to the right path. Anthony "All Lives Matter" Mackie ain't it.
Checked weather.com and and looks like it'll be raining all day long in Las Vegas.

RIP turnout
 
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I mean, optically, Democrats can't really complain about executive branch overreach if they intend to rid themselves of the checks and balances inherent to what should be an independent and co-equal arm of the government... through executive branch overreach.

But pragmatically, if Bernie packs the courts and is a one term president, the legislation that is pushed through would simply wait to be challenged until a Republican ascends to the presidency and packs the court to his liking.

I can understand the call for reform of the judiciary branch, which may yield longer-term benefits. But court packing is just a band aid and missing the larger problem.
The executive branch can't expand the Supreme Court unilaterally. Adding more seats requires the approval of both chambers of Congress and the president's signature. In our system, the three branches can exercise checks on one another. Creating additional seats - and controlling the Court's composition in general - allows the legislative and executive branches to exercise a check on SCOTUS.
 
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If Democrats win back the senate in 2020 they're going to have to be in serious "break the glass case" mode. DC and PR statehood are absolute MUSTS if we are to prevent Republicans from gaining back control and continuing to erode our democracy/rule of law/checks and balances/intelligence community. We're going to need years to deal with the lopsided court appointments of the last three years, the hollowing out of the state department/DOJ and god knows what else. Obama needs to go back to Steve Bullock and get a yes. I don't trust Iowa to give kick out Joni Ernst.

Checked weather.com and and looks like it'll be raining all day long in Las Vegas.

RIP turnout
I imagine the casino workers don't even have to go outdoors to get to their location.
 

Chaos Legion

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The executive branch can't expand the Supreme Court unilaterally. Adding more seats requires the approval of both chambers of Congress and the president's signature. In our system, the three branches can exercise checks on one another. Creating additional seats - and controlling the Court's composition in general - allows the legislative and executive branches to exercise a check on SCOTUS.
For sure. But we were assuming a Democratic trifecta, in which case the decision to pack the court would likely stem from the executive branch's legislative agenda and Congress acting in concert.

I registered in Illinois yesterday, btw. Hoping to draw less of your ire for being part of the problem in 2020.
 

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Captain America knows this is a big deal.

I don't know how the answer to this isn't packing the court if Dems can get in with a trifecta. The pattern has been obvious and the Supreme Court has essentially become Trump's personal last line of defense. Sure some rulings they have not gone with him on, but that's rare and usually on some extreme technicality even Roberts can't go along with.

The conservatives on the court do compromise on policy occasionally, sometimes on very large matters of policy, the most significant of which was Roberts defecting on the Obamacare ruling. But to the best of my knowledge, they have never, ever, not once, compromised on a matter of power politics.

Citizens United? 5-4 conservative majority. Gutting the voting rights act? 5-4 conservative majority. Gerrymandering is a-okay? 5-4 conservative majority. Florida's poll tax for felons as a substitute for disenfranchisement? 5-4 conservative majority. And now, excluding these immigrants from the voting rolls? 5-4 conservative majority.

Court packing is the only solution.
 

Linkura

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If you live in a red state and wanna hate your coworkers, look up your company on the FEC filings page.

My CEO donated $2k to Kamala and then three times to Pete. Probably some Silicon Valley fundraiser.
Thanks for the suggestion. This is some good shit even though I live in the bluest state ever.

It went about as expected for me. One partner who I already know donated to Trump's PAC because he gave me his cc statements for reimbursement not surprisingly donated to Trump many other times (some via WinRed LMFAO!!!). Everyone else donated to Dems via Actblue for the DCCC, Forma, and Booty. Booty donations were back in early 2019 so back when he was actually running as a progressive.

I've heard everything from "don't go over there it's the 'bad side' to "don't go to that mall you'll be a salt grain in a sea of charcoal" to "it's just how they are, they don't know better" to "there's black folk (good ones) and there's n***ers"(bad ones).

All of this unprompted. Hell my coworkers said the n word several times in casual talk. All I can do is roll my eyes ( he knows how liberal I am).

White folk are shit. Specifically the WWC. They don't respect black people, they don't want black people. They don't love black people.

And it nauseates me.
Every.
Single.
Time.
I believe I posted this here in the past, but when I was asked how I get to work, and responded in kind, some asshat unprompted said, "We used to call that the 'Conga Line.'"

Yeah, every single person who worked there was white. Only a single woman in a partner position despite having like 1/3 of the place being partners. I left after a few months with no notice, not related to this incident specifically but the place was a disaster.
 

Ogodei

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Coruscant
Packing the courts is an irrational, reactionary path that will not actually solve anything in the long-term and will most likely backfire on the Democrats.

It's like when you're playing a board game and someone's being a Munchkin, playing a scummy strategy clearly against the spirit of the game but allowed within the rules. You can choose not to follow that, and let them win every time, or at least, every turn you choose not to adapt their tactics they rack up a bigger lead.

That's kind of where we are right now. We need constitutional changes to really fix things, but in lieu of that, we'll have to become as good or better at using the GOP's dirty tricks, or building our own countermeasures.
 

Chaos Legion

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It's like when you're playing a board game and someone's being a Munchkin, playing a scummy strategy clearly against the spirit of the game but allowed within the rules. You can choose not to follow that, and let them win every time, or at least, every turn you choose not to adapt their tactics they rack up a bigger lead.

That's kind of where we are right now. We need constitutional changes to really fix things, but in lieu of that, we'll have to become as good or better at using the GOP's dirty tricks, or building our own countermeasures.
Well, I mean, in just recent history. It was Harry Reid that dropped the filibuster with regards to presidential nominations. Mitch McConnell then took that to push Trump's SC picks.

It's not that Democrats can't bend the rules, it's just that there are consequences of doing so that tend to then be exploited by Republicans.
 

alr1ght

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I see the establishment as I see the deep state. Something for egomaniacs to push in order rile up supporters into thinking irrationally. It's very cult like in the sense that only the leader has all the answers.
 

SolarPowered

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It's like when you're playing a board game and someone's being a Munchkin, playing a scummy strategy clearly against the spirit of the game but allowed within the rules. You can choose not to follow that, and let them win every time, or at least, every turn you choose not to adapt their tactics they rack up a bigger lead.

That's kind of where we are right now. We need constitutional changes to really fix things, but in lieu of that, we'll have to become as good or better at using the GOP's dirty tricks, or building our own countermeasures.
www.theatlantic.com

The 53-State Solution

New states are the answer to America’s minority-rule problem.

This Atlantic article touches on court packing and how it results in a far more volatile game of tit for tat that would quickly spin out of control. Whoever takes the initiative on new states has huge first mover advantage, though. Once the senate is locked in thanks to likely safe blue state senators Republicans will have no choice, but to negotiate in the senate again and the supreme court can be made more moderate and representative in time. Even if Repulicans decide to elect another Trump in let's say 2024, Democrats now have a almost solid senate floor of 52 seats. When paired with a house majority the Republicans will have no choice but to hold those federalist judges to their chest and put up moderate like Merrick Garland or risk losing in 2028 and having another Sotomayor or RBG installed. Also, once the Democrat senate has a higher floor any possible plan for Republicans to retaliate with new states of their own becomes even harder because they need to overperform even more to win back the senate (not to mention the white house and the house of reps).
 
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Ogodei

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Oct 25, 2017
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Coruscant
Well, I mean, in just recent history. It was Harry Reid that dropped the filibuster with regards to presidential nominations. Mitch McConnell then took that to push Trump's SC picks.

It's not that Democrats can't bend the rules, it's just that there are consequences of doing so that tend to then be exploited by Republicans.

Right, and if Reid hadn't done that then Trump would have even more of the lower courts than he already does. It's dangerous to assume that the GOP will hold to "decorum."

The only reason we still have the filibuster is that the GOP's been incapable of governing to the point where there wasn't a bill "worth" nuking the filibuster over. Fortunately for us the GOP only wants to do shit that's unpopular even amongst their base.
 

ascii42

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One of the fun parts of the Mary Poppins sequel was DVD reprising his role as the ancient bank owner, but this time he just had to show up on set as himself.
Yeh, yep. Well, the ancient bank owner's son, actually. On the left is Mr. Dawes Sr. from the original movie. On the right is Mr. Dawes Jr. from the sequel.
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Thanks for the suggestion. This is some good shit even though I live in the bluest state ever.

It went about as expected for me. One partner who I already know donated to Trump's PAC because he gave me his cc statements for reimbursement not surprisingly donated to Trump many other times (some via WinRed LMFAO!!!). Everyone else donated to Dems via Actblue for the DCCC, Forma, and Booty. Booty donations were back in early 2019 so back when he was actually running as a progressive.
This is hilarious. I have a friend whose CEO maxed out to Susan Collins in December and Doug Collins this month. scust.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Was wondering when this would get out. Dude's either a guy trying to be in the spy/mob business like Sondland or already is.

"King Florida Man" sounds respectable. Let's use "Tyrant Florida Man" instead.

"Mobster" sounds better.

Well, I mean, in just recent history. It was Harry Reid that dropped the filibuster with regards to presidential nominations. Mitch McConnell then took that to push Florida Man's SC picks.

It's not that Democrats can't bend the rules, it's just that there are consequences of doing so that tend to then be exploited by Republicans.

It's not percieved as that. "WHY AINT THE HOUSE PASSING BILLS RAARRRRRGHH" from one end and "DEMS BENDING THE RULES DONT LOOK AT ME PROJECT RAAARRRRGGH" on the other.
 

snipe_25

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Oct 27, 2017
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DSCC just sent me an email (on their list now for donating to Gideon because fuck Collins) that "***HUGE NEWS: Democrat Amy McGrath is SURGING in her race against Mitch McConnell***"

Kentucky Statewide Poll | U.S. Senate
Amy McGrath (D) 46%
Mitch McConnell (R) 47%


Not sure I believe those numbers... Is there a left-wing equivalent of Ras?
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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DSCC just sent me an email (on their list now for donating to Gideon because fuck Collins) that "***HUGE NEWS: Democrat Amy McGrath is SURGING in her race against Mitch McConnell***"

Kentucky Statewide Poll | U.S. Senate
Amy McGrath (D) 46%
Mitch McConnell (R) 47%


Not sure I believe those numbers... Is there a left-wing equivalent of Ras?
Internal poll?

So it's noon EST here and I was thinking in my brain the Nevada caucuses would be starting now... I'm such an idiot.
 

SolarPowered

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Well, I mean, in just recent history. It was Harry Reid that dropped the filibuster with regards to presidential nominations. Mitch McConnell then took that to push Trump's SC picks.

It's not that Democrats can't bend the rules, it's just that there are consequences of doing so that tend to then be exploited by Republicans.
Which is why Democrats need to pick the avenues with fewest consequences to themselves. They should have done DC statehood a decade ago, but senators who've known McConnell for decades still didn't understand who exactly they were dealing with. Now they and all of America know. If we can find ways to lock men like McConnell and Lindsey out of majority power for a decade without hurting ourselves too much then we should take the plunge. Lord knows they would have done this decades ago if DC were white as New Hampshire or Iowa.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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DSCC just sent me an email (on their list now for donating to Gideon because fuck Collins) that "***HUGE NEWS: Democrat Amy McGrath is SURGING in her race against Mitch McConnell***"

Kentucky Statewide Poll | U.S. Senate
Amy McGrath (D) 46%
Mitch McConnell (R) 47%


Not sure I believe those numbers... Is there a left-wing equivalent of Ras?
Yeah no. Every year polls show McConnell in a tough race, and he ends up winning by 15. He'll probably end up winning by 30 considering how bad McGrath has been.
 

Chaos Legion

The Wise Ones
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Right, and if Reid hadn't done that then Trump would have even more of the lower courts than he already does. It's dangerous to assume that the GOP will hold to "decorum."

The only reason we still have the filibuster is that the GOP's been incapable of governing to the point where there wasn't a bill "worth" nuking the filibuster over. Fortunately for us the GOP only wants to do shit that's unpopular even amongst their base.
Hmm. Maybe.

I tend to believe it's more that Mitch McConnell is fairly pragmatic and cautious with the filibuster and is looking past Trump and attempting to provide the Republicans the cover of declaring "Democrats are breaking decorum, we never attempted to break from a long-standing tradition when we had the ability to do so."
 
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