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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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its kind of funny how bluexy is getting such harsh treatment after making a fairly reasonable post
"if you want x to win, then vote for x" is not as simple as that then.
some people might not draw the line between primary and general election.
Some people don't know Bleach is toxic or that you shouldn't microwave metal. I tend to give people on here the benefit of the doubt.
i said nothing of the sort. that's completely unfair. at worst i implied disingenuousness.
i'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore. i apologize for repeatedly drawing out this reaction from you. clearly i'm stepping on your toes, which was never my intent. but i don't come to resetera to be personally insulted every other day and you don't seem to be able to stop yourself.
by all means. i only wanted to make a point. that doesn't mean anyone has to agree with it.
Voting Stein or Johnson in the primaries would not have helped elect Trump.
Disagreeing isn't harsh treatment. The harshest responses have been after the initial disagreement was met with insults about being disingenuous and pretending.
But that comment had nothing to do with the general election. It was made in a discussion about the primary.
I mean, feel free to ignore me if you wish. I did not personally insult you, but took issue with your post, as did many other people. Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, maybe consider why a lot of us found that post insulting? That may not have been your intention, I'm sure it wasn't, but it definitely read that way to quite a few of us.
but voting for warren (who has pretty much zero chance of winning at this point) would help biden and/or bloomberg over sanders. that is not as bad as helping trump win the general, but it's still bad.
In 2016, Bernie people kept voting for Bernie long after he was mathematically eliminated, because that's who they were passionate about voting for. If you can't imagine why some of us might feel that same passion for Warren, I don't know what to tell you. It's real condescending to try and tell people who to vote for when their ideal candidate is still in the race.
No, it's not. Sanders isn't even my second choice candidate, why would I be tossing him a vote over my first choice?
It's not my job to give a vote to someone I don't want to see win the nom. If it was down to a combo of Sanders/Pete/Bloomberg I'd vote for him. But I'm up on Super Tuesday, so I don't have to worry about that.
I vomited at the "would prefer Mike/Amy," but we both know Bernie's gonna win WA, so hell, vote your heart, man.
And no one was saying "Vote for Hillary in the primary because she's going to win anyway", it was "She's going to win because Bernie doesn't have the votes and you should be prepared for that."
then people who voted for johnson or stein might not have helped get trump elected since there's no reason to think they would have ever voted for clinton.
and i actually agree with your original post. it's my personal view that everyone should vote for whoever they want to win, or not vote at all if they so choose. strategic voting is silly.
i can be good sometimes, i'm a cheap, i can be what you like
and i can be bad sometimes, i'm a real queen, i can make grown men cry
He's right that his goose gets even more cooked if we have an outbreak.
I've got better things to do than spend my time complaining about people who still want to support Warren but I will say that those of you voting for her because you find the idea of a Sanders presidency too uncomfortable to bear really need to think long and hard to yourselves about why you feel that way.
I think there's definitely arguments there about why you should switch to another candidate. Wow that wasn't it tho.
Jane is on CNN talking about Fidel.
Jane is on CNN talking about Fidel.
People who just hand wave Sander's comments away or say "he's not wrong" are completely stuck in their own little bubble.
To give some of you an example, drug dealers in a lot of inner cities will fund youth athletic programs. They'll donate to churches or charities to build up "loyalty" in the neighborhood. Drug lords and dictators have used this tactic for decades and centuries. The most infamous example is Pablo Escobar. In a vacuum he did a lot of good deeds for Medellin in Colombia. He built parks, fed the poor, gave kids school money, and etc. But those "good deeds" were simply a carrot to lure the poor into being his own human shields and protection. In the darkness of night, he murdered many of those same people. Yes there were some that were loyal to Pablo, but many more lived in abject fear of him.
Just because Pablo Escobar built some schools, no one, especially not a Presidential candidate, would say, "Yeah Drug Cartels are bad, but building schools and funding a soccer team are a good thing!" It completely misses the forest for the trees. Anybody who has lived under an authoritarian regime, narco state, or gang neighborhood has a right to be offended by Sanders comments.
Trying to compare this to Obama who was in the middle of normalizing relations with Cuba doing a delicate diplomatic tap-dance is not close to the same thing as a Presidential candidate making those comments in an election cycle when he suppose to be projecting his ideals and priorities.
Strategic Voting in a primary is silly almost all of the time. In a general election it's literally a matter of life and death. Child Separation would not be happening in a Clinton administration. The Pandemic response force would not have been gutted.
I told people to buy stocks, what else am I supposed to do??? My fucking job???
I bet someone burned their lips!#nocontextcnn
i swear to god, hot pockets are either frozen or on fire. that's it.
Florida:
2 Florida Democrats sue to keep Sanders off primary ballot
The complaint says the candidate is unqualified in a closed-primary state.www.politico.com
TALLAHASSEE — Two Florida Democrats are suing to block Bernie Sanders from running as a Democrat in the state's March 17 presidential primary.In the lawsuit filed Monday in circuit court in Leon County, the plaintiffs ask that Sanders be disqualified from the Democratic primary because he's a declared independent.The Florida Democratic Party labeled the complaint "ridiculous," and the Sanders campaign called it "spurious."The complaint also seeks to prevent state election officials from counting any votes Sanders has already received. More than 244,000 Democrats have already voted by mail in Florida.Karen Gievers, a former circuit court judge representing Frank Bach and George Brown, both Tallahassee Democrats, said Sanders should not be allowed on the Democratic ballot.
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"Florida is a closed primary state, yet here we have someone who is an independent on the Democratic ballot," said Gievers. "You can't be an independent and be a member of the party."Gievers, when asked, described both Bach and Brown as military veterans and registered Democrats. In response to a follow-up question, she said Bach is her husband.Juan Penalosa, the executive director of the Florida Democratic Party, called the lawsuit "ridiculous.""The Florida Democratic Party executive committee voted unanimously to place Senator Sanders on the Florida ballot," Penalosa said. "Votes cast for the senator are valid and must be counted."Gievers said she looked forward to hearing from Democratic Party attorneys, but also noted, "It's hard to think that voter suppression or dilution would be described as ridiculous by a party official."Kolby Lee, a regional press secretary for Sanders, also was dismissive of the lawsuit."We're aware of the spurious complaint and it will not affect us. Bernie will be on the ballot in Florida," Lee said.
I saw this headline earlier when it was framed as "Florida Democrats file to keep Sanders off the ballot" instead of the correct "2 Florida randos".
I have a #DadTip
You cut them in half halfway through. It's the only way I've ever found to get them to turn out right.
(I also don't let my husband eat them because he's not allowed to use the microwave without my supervision)
I'm going to be perfectly honest. The reason you're getting so much pushback isn't because you're advocating for people to cast strategic votes for Sanders. This is a community of people who follow politics closely and your posts have a tendency to come across as talking down to people and you seem very quick to accuse people who disagree with you of being disingenuous. If your goal is to persuade people, this really isn't helpful.
allowing one the better-things-aren't-possible centrists to win the primary is certainly a matter of life and death to plenty of uninsured americans.
Why buy Hot Pockets in the first place? Hell, why even eat any of it?
thanks for the reply. i'll work on being less confrontational.
Any democrat in the White House will have a similar if not identical list of legislative accomplishments. All of them are to the left of what will realistically pass into law.
I don't personally like them, except the ham and cheese Lean Pocket in a pinch. When I was in elementary school, I went to a private school and they had them a few times a week. I got so sick of them I rarely touch them now.
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