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MHWilliams

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It's odd the Biden story isn't even front page on The Hill, considering Rising is their Youtube show.

Even on the Biden page:
 

kess

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If there was ranked voting nationally, it would be easy to have a back up candidate based on the aggregate, instead of the last two coming down to a contest of opposites.
 
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It's odd the Biden story isn't even front page on The Hill, considering Rising is their Youtube show.

Even on the Biden page:
Its the weirdest fucking thing that this isn't on the news
 

Kusagari

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Kamala’s continued inability to message or get out of her own way makes me think she would have flopped regardless.
 

Blader

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Considering that Biden and Reade were in a room together alone when it occurred, what kind of further clarification would you expect to receive? Additional victims? You're not going to find more corroboration directly because there were no witnesses.
Sexual assault incidents often happen in private, between two people, with no witnesses. The point of an investigation is to turn up corroborating evidence by way of other accusers/incidents, evidence of victims confiding in others about it (e.g. Christine Blasey Ford telling her therapist, who had contemporaneous notes for this), other material evidence, and so on.

Which again is not to say that if an investigation doesn't turn up any of these things automatically means the initial allegation is false. But the value of investigating sexual assault claims is to potentially turn up other corroborating evidence for the accusation or entirely other accusations about the same person. As we've seen with Moore, Franken, Kavanaugh, Trump, etc.

Kamala’s continued inability to message or get out of her own way makes me think she would have flopped regardless.
yeah, she is plainly not comfortable talking about healthcare or the economy, which is unfortunate because those happen to be the two issues voters care about most!
 

muteKi

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Sexual assault incidents often happen in private, between two people, with no witnesses. The point of an investigation is to turn up corroborating evidence by way of other accusers/incidents, evidence of victims confiding in others about it (e.g. Christine Blasey Ford telling her therapist, who had contemporaneous notes for this), other material evidence, and so on.

Which again is not to say that if an investigation doesn't turn up any of these things automatically means the initial allegation is false. But the value of investigating sexual assault claims is to potentially turn up other corroborating evidence for the accusation or entirely other accusations about the same person. As we've seen with Moore, Franken, Kavanaugh, Trump, etc.
Sure but one of the reasons I believe Reade is, as you imply, this isn't the first time she's talked about this issue; her family says she confided in them not long after it happened. It's also not the first accusation of Biden behaving inappropriately among female staff. He has a pattern of behavior of not keeping his hands to himself. Everything she said in her interview strikes me as consistent with how Biden comports himself.

Still, I too am waiting to see how many more accusers will come forth after this.
 
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Ogodei

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nor if you get fired For Cause. You'd have to pull a Jimmy McGill, basically, and be an obnoxious prick in a way that is not actually against the rules of your workplace so that you get fired for personal reasons.

And who has the time to go through that trouble?
 

RolandGunner

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We had wall to wall coverage anytime Hillary did anything ever and Biden gets accused of rape and radio silence from the press.
Just today it was announced that over 3 million people have lost their jobs in the last couple of weeks. Thousands of people are being found with the coronavirus every day. The House still has to pass at $2 trillion dollar stimulus package to help get us past this. The news is saturated now. It will definitely come up later in the campaign, which is why Biden needs to respond now.
 

Blue Skies

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I kinda want to make a thread on this, but it would probably be a shit show.
but I’m scared of something.
everyone knows the old ass phrase “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and I feel like busters are increasingly calling moderate democrats their enemy to the point in which they might start seeing republicans as their friends.
Like, do y’all socialists (I know bernie doesn’t call himself one, but so many of his supporters do) think your agenda is better progressed under Biden/Buttigieg/Clinton/Klobuchar or Trump/Romney/Ryan?

We’re in a democracy and if your group is only like 20 percent of the voters, then fucking start acting like it, humble yourself and enact better strategy than “burn it down”
 

Blader

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Sure but one of the reasons I believe Reade is, as you imply, this isn't the first time she's talked about this issue; her family says she confided in them not long after it happened.
I'm actually not clear on this, because I think some people were conflating the Lucy Flores accusation with this which was confusing me. Had Reade made an earlier separation allegation about Biden, and this is a second incident? Or is it the same allegation being surfaced twice?

It's also not the first accusation of Biden behaving inappropriately among female staff. He has a pattern of behavior of not keeping his hands to himself. Everything she said in her interview strikes me as consistent with how Biden comports himself.

Still, I too am waiting to see how many more accusers will come forth after this.
Right, but Biden raping someone is I think quite a bit more than being too touchy with women. I don't think that touching a woman's shoulders or neck necessarily comports with that person being a rapist to

And just to be clear, I think Reade's allegation should be believed, heard, and taken seriously. But also further investigated for all the reasons I mentioned in my last post.
 

Vena

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Trump does not understand metaphors.

I'm actually not clear on this, because I think some people were conflating the Lucy Flores accusation with this which was confusing me. Had Reade made an earlier separation allegation about Biden, and this is a second incident? Or is it the same allegation being surfaced twice?

Right, but Biden raping someone is I think quite a bit more than being too touchy with women. I don't think that touching a woman's shoulders or neck necessarily comports with that person being a rapist to

And just to be clear, I think Reade's allegation should be believed, heard, and taken seriously. But also further investigated for all the reasons I mentioned in my last post.
She came forward with this earlier, but gained no traction but with a milder allegation of the same event (a major news org had reached out to her at the time but was dropped by her due to harassment). Apparently went to multiple campaigns as well over the course of primary, including Warren and Yang, and nothing came of it from there either.

I still find it hard to believe that Warren's campaign would not move on a rape allegation.
 

Chaos Legion

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I'm actually not clear on this, because I think some people were conflating the Lucy Flores accusation with this which was confusing me. Had Reade made an earlier separation allegation about Biden, and this is a second incident? Or is it the same allegation being surfaced twice?
She came forward last April after Flores and said that she too was touched in a manner that made her feel uncomfortable. She said she didn't feel sexually exploited rather invisible.

She then says she was fired from her job. Newspapers reached out and she didn't follow up. She then decided to tell the entire story and reached out to campaigns but didn't get anywhere. Then was told by TimesUp that they won't investigate out of fear of Biden.

The Intercept reported on TimesUp not following up with her new allegation. Then Krystal Ball interviewed her.

There's a lot to investigate so I'm not surprised nobody has reported it yet. TimesUp needs to be investigated as well if true.
 

Casa

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Why did it sound like Trump was reading all those names of the world's leaders for the first time? Christ...
 

Owzers

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We need the actual Tom Brady to run for President. Or do I mean a leader like Tom Brady...

It’s pretty disappointing that I follow politics closely and yet the end decision is going to be between Trump and Biden. I was tepid on Biden before this new allegation and yikes. It’s definitely possible that it’s not true, but yikes politics.
 

mnz

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This is kinda off-topic, but I read this key diary entry of Victor Klemperer, a German Jew and philologist who is known for writing "Language of the Third Reich: LTI - Lingua Tertii Imperii". The entry is from 1938 and the highlighted part had me pause for a bit...

 

-Le Monde-

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This is kinda off-topic, but I read this key diary entry of Victor Klemperer, a German Jew and philologist who is known for writing "Language of the Third Reich: LTI - Lingua Tertii Imperii". The entry is from 1938 and the highlighted part had me pause for a bit...

Sounds like someone we know.

Why did it sound like Trump was reading all those names of the world's leaders for the first time? Christ...
That's very likely. Don't forget he had trouble with standard briefings, and that led to simplified versions.
 

KHarvey16

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Nor if you get fired For Cause. You'd have to pull a Jimmy McGill, basically, and be an obnoxious prick in a way that is not actually against the rules of your workplace so that you get fired for personal reasons.

And who has the time to go through that trouble?
This bill actually lets you take unemployment if you quit because of the virus, so it’s a little different. Doesn’t make the argument good, just means the counter argument has to change to one of the many other options.
 
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The store I work at apparently ran out of KY

Maybe my customers took the hint and went to go fuck themselves

Unrelated I know but felt worth sharing.
 

cameron

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Am_I_Evil

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about cruise lines: "I could tell you what county...I'm not going to...I could...they're in many countries..."
 
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