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US PoliEra 2020 |OT4| Disaster Voltron
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It's like... it'd be political genius given the moment and the spotlight he's had. But, it's fucking Cuomo. On the one hand I could see that sequence of events leading to a massive electoral blowout, on the other hand....
it's fucking Cuomo.
She (ex-wife? Girlfriend?) changed her story, then wouldn't release the video that she said showed him beating her for changing reasons or show it privately to prosecutors or lawyers, and then none of the witnesses to her story (her and her kids, IIRC) would go on record with the allegations either.
She certainly made it seem like she was doing a whole break-up revenge claim thing whether or not that was the case, which is why it didn't go anywhere. Ellison also straight up denied it and called for an investigation himself, IIRC. That would be Biden's play, I think.
LGHT_TRSN said that they don't know if we have evidence that denial works on a national level, which is fair...but I think we have insight into how the general voting public treats these claims, tbh. Republicans took it as a chance to spread lies about a picture of a bruised woman being Ellison's girlfriend, and Dems just sort of ignored that shit altogether.
This is why investigations are good. Let whatever comes to light come to light, but recognize that if nothing comes to light, no one will care (and even if stuff does come to light, like with Ford, it still might not be enough to do anything but enrage Biden's supporters and motivate them to support him more strongly).
You are right. It does. Era is a niche of a niche of the voting populace. That's not a judgmental observation. It just is what it is.
It's one of the places that I post because I like to get an idea of what all the different subgroups of the party that I vote for are thinking, but it's not representative of anything.
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I just don't understand how something like this doesn't explode from these campaigns. Yang endorsing with this information and not doing oppo on it, would just be such a disgrace. Hell, knowing this and endorsing regardless is just wrong.
Warren at least hasn't endorsed anyone but I still find it hard to square her actions with Bloomberg and being a very good paragon for women in politics and women in general, to not do oppo on this if this info was provided to her and her campaign. She has no love for Biden, that is very well known.
Absolutely...that is the risk. If we lose a good chunk of older voters we'll never make up for those losses with younger voters.
What we don't know is whether the massive losses we've seen between Bernie/Biden with older voters would result in losses in that same group between Trump/Bernie in the GE. Either way it's a gamble.
In the alternate reality where this happens, the thread title must be "...its fucking Cuomo"
This is where my head is at right now. Obama 08 ran a tight ship, it would be incredible to think that they could miss something like this. And Joe has never struck me as teflon, he dropped out of the race in 88 over plagiarism for crying out loud.
If this turns out to be true then all bets are off, but I'm waiting to see how it develops. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
Basically all voters live in their own bubble. That should be completely obvious now.
If Biden steps down and anyone but Bernie gets the nom, there will be a very forceful narrative among a chunk of people that he was robbed by the establishment, though. There's no clean answer here that won't make some group feel like their voices aren't being heard.
Wouldn't more people feel this way if we just give the nom to someone who hasn't won any primary?
Let's just have Britney run around the planet and rewind time like in Superman and go back to before Super Tuesday
Warren could very be waiting for it to.blow up. Maybe use the opportunity to call on biden to drop out?
The biggest bubble being the people who just tune out everythign.
As long as a third of those folk decide to vote then we got this.
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing Allegations of Sexual Assault; Prior Severe Bans Related to Sexism
Yeah, this Biden story so far seems to be living exclusively in low rent conservative media, not even Fox or OANN have run with it yet. Makes me think it's already been investigated and no corroborating evidence could be found. If Biden did this, used his aides to create a situation where he would be alone with this woman to assault her, it wasn't the first or last time. That's not some rookie move, it's something you've done before and know you could get away with, and there would be other accusers.
2008 was a long time ago. I'm not kidding.
Stuff like this is seen very differently now than it was even just three or four years ago. The newspapers wouldn't have gone anywhere near this back then. No one would have given a victim like this the time of day. They'd go 'he made a move, and when she didn't respond, he stopped. what's the problem?'. Hell I'm sure some people are saying that right now cause they don't want to acknowledge that stuff has changed.
But it has. Like, I feel extremely differently about Bill Clinton's past than I used to, and I can't even really understand how I could have ever looked past the things I used to.
LMAO omg, lmao lmao
Warren has hated Biden for like two decades. There's no way she doesn't act on something like that I think. though I doubt it even got to her.
That calculus makes no sense for her or for the election. That just sounds stupid.
He got absolutely bodied. And at the end, "That was a waste of time to say that" haha.
Unless this was the first time he tried it.
It's sexual assault even if you do it one time and never again.
this is why pointing out that people live in a bubble is a complete waste of time. Who doesn't? The people who watch CNN and The View all day? The Nates? lmao
"Don't report on medical staff wearing home-hacked PPE, it makes everyone sad and makes it more difficult for shitbags like me to downplay the mounting pile of granny corpses"
I mean is it any different from Warren eviscerating Bloomberg over his and his company's behavior of sexual harassment and a sexist workplace?
They likely would.
This is why I didn't want either Bernie and Biden to run at all. Both are a risk.
Some of the replies in here in regards to minimizing and downplaying an accusation of rape against the likely democratic nominee for president are disgusting.
If you want an example of why victims don't come forward, there it is.
NJ just had a 50% jump in cases. Between this and NY our time in PA here is looming. Wish we could see cases tested.
In new letter to governors, Trump says his administration is revising social distancing guidelines and working to classify counties as high-risk, medium-risk, or low-risk.
On a town hall with Himes right now, a question was asked "When will the checks arrive?" He said the intention was to have the direct deposit payments in by the first or second week in April, but he relented and said no one actually knows when the payments and checks will be sent.
Absolutely. It is very possible Biden did this and never did anything like it again (or, more accurately, that other possible victims simply don't want to step forward). But with stories like this, there's always a pattern. It wasn't one person stepping forward alone that ended Franken, Roy Moore, Kavanaugh, Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Bill Clinton, or really any other example you can think of. It was usually a single accusation that got the ball rolling for others to step forward with their own stories that complemented the first.
And again, that is absolutely not a judgment call on this specific story, just if this begins and ends with Reade's accusation that wouldn't quite fit the pattern we've seen with other high profile cases of powerful men being accused of sexual assault.
I'd have more confidence in Bernie in a GE in a situation if he actually won the primary. In a situation where he wins by default, though? Yeah, a lot of voters are gonna be pissed and feel like their vote didn't matter.
I feel like this will make counties that have done a minimum of tests continue to have a minimum of tests to keep their "low-risk" status.
Yup, had they not sucked up all the oxygen we could've had a much better candidate make a run.
It was Ellison's ex-girlfriend who made the abuse claim.
His divorce records with his ex-wife were also unsealed by the Star Tribune against Keith's wishes. The Tribune breathlessly speculated that they should show a similar history of domestic abuse in his marriage only for them to show that Keith was the victim of physical abuse from his ex-wife.
This approach *could* make sense. The US is a big country after all, but this approach only works if people stay within their designated communities. You can't have separate guidelines for low and high risk communities if you allow high risk individuals to go to low risk communities, and vice versa.
Our bench sucks, TBH.
But I also basically have a theory that the best candidates to make it through the primary and win a GE fit into very specific profiles that appeal to American ideals that are steeped in gender, race, and age stereotypes that we as a country subconsciously (and sometimes consciously) desire:
"Young male candidates who are conventionally good-looking and have charisma" is the obvious one.
I also truly believe that our first female president will be black because this country loves its "older, wise, mothering black woman" figures. Oprah really could be POTUS. She taps into all the stereotypes that this country has built around black women since the slave-trade days.
On the other hand, brainy women aren't going anywhere in a nomination fight, which kills me as a Warren voter, but there it is.
Ah, yes, I remember this more fully now.
This is why investigations are important.
This si dumb as hell since we are still doing very little testing its all high risk.
Dear Governors, I will continue to take credit for what you are already doing, while giving you the go-ahead to be lax in coronavirus measures if that is how you want to proceed.
Trump can eat shit.
His precious economy and approval numbers are not worth the deaths of thousands of Americans.
Foolishness. I really hope that mayors of cities in red states would defy this if the governors won't.
You can't implement these kinds of guidelines if you're not testing non-symptomatic people. By the time you notice that an area needs to have their designation raised it would be too late to stop the breakout there. This man is just actively trying to kill people now so everything can get back to "normal" for him which means Klan rallies and high crimes.
I honestly don't think that's true. If you look at the crop of candidates both parties have put forward the last two election cycles it's really clear that a shrinking pool of politicians want the job of president in today's world. It's all stress and scrutiny when you can live below the radar instead. I think a lot of men and women who would have been the types to run for president in previous decades are all running fortune 500 companies now instead.
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