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Grain Silo

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Dec 15, 2017
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lmao
blizzard really needs to do something in these remaining days. either cancel the event or do a proper apology, otherwise blizzcon will be an absolute shit show.

Canceling Blizzcon is never going to happen. It's their marketing event of the year and the fallout over that would be just as bad if not worse than the Blitzchung situation. Thousands of people have committed to going already and while blizzcon tickets could possibly get refunded, their travel and accomodation can't.
 

Deleted member 10737

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
49,774
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

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Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."
where's the hypocrisy? the idea that games cause mass shootings is used as a scapegoat by politicians to avoid the actual reason, so it's fair to call it out. here, the politicians are condemning something that should rightfully be condemned.
 

SimpleCRIPPLE

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,224
Curious if at Blizzcon, they'll keep the Hong Kong supporters outside the event lines like they do with the usual religious protesters, or if they'll let people take "Free Hong Kong" signs and whatnot in to the actual event floor space.

(For context, it's common for a particular church to protest local conventions with what could be considered extremist views. They usually have big black and yellow signs with offensive language and someone on a loud speaker telling you you're going to Hell and here's why)
 

Akileese

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,698
Curious if at Blizzcon, they'll keep the Hong Kong supporters outside the event lines like they do with the usual religious protesters, or if they'll let people take "Free Hong Kong" signs and whatnot in to the actual event floor space.

(For context, it's common for a particular church to protest local conventions with what could be considered extremist views. They usually have big black and yellow signs with offensive language and someone on a loud speaker telling you you're going to Hell and here's why)

If they're not paying attendees they're not letting them in. Now if you have paying attendees who protest, that's a bit different.
 

Psamtik

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,847
Curious if at Blizzcon, they'll keep the Hong Kong supporters outside the event lines like they do with the usual religious protesters, or if they'll let people take "Free Hong Kong" signs and whatnot in to the actual event floor space.

(For context, it's common for a particular church to protest local conventions with what could be considered extremist views. They usually have big black and yellow signs with offensive language and someone on a loud speaker telling you you're going to Hell and here's why)

If they don't have tickets, they're not getting anywhere close. The security perimeter was dramatically expanded last year.

Not really sure what Blizzard's supposed to do. Should they pull out of the Chinese market entirely? Ban Chinese competitors from Blizzcon? Fix the Overwatch World Cup for Team Hong Kong?
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,274
I can't help but notice the hypocrisy of people like Mike Gallagher. They support the people abroad fighting against an oppressive government for their freedom, but are totally fine with that oppression against certain groups at home. This whole situation has been revealing.
 

NaDannMaGoGo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,963
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."

In what world are ludicrous scapegoat remarks on video game violence and taking issue with a US company bowing to the CCP even remotely the same thing?

One statement is garbage.
The other isn't.
 

Josh5890

I'm Your Favorite Poster's Favorite Poster
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
23,178
When both sides of the aisle are agreeing on something, you know you messed up
 

SimpleCRIPPLE

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,224
If they're not paying attendees they're not letting them in. Now if you have paying attendees who protest, that's a bit different.
If they don't have tickets, they're not getting anywhere close. The security perimeter was dramatically expanded last year.

Not really sure what Blizzard's supposed to do. Should they pull out of the Chinese market entirely?

Right. I'm just curious if they're going to allow Hong Kong signs in the event with paid attendees. I believe they reserve the right to limit, in their judgement, what you can hold up w/ on a live stream, etc, so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle it.
 

Menx64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,774
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."

You might be up to something.

We live in a world where all people and companies care is money. Just yesterday Brazil and Venezuela were elected to the UN humans right council... The Same council that elected SA...
 

Psamtik

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Oct 27, 2017
6,847
Right. I'm just curious if they're going to allow Hong Kong signs in the event with paid attendees. I believe they reserve the right to limit, in their judgement, what you can hold up w/ on a live stream, etc, so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle it.

Probably just cut away/have security take it from you. Same thing that'd happen if you held up a Trump sign, a Warren 2020 sign, or an #IStandWithKap sign.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,880
Las Vegas
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."

This doesn't even make any sense.
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,213
Um excuse me Mr Rubio, if you want to tut tut people about ballwashing fascists maybe take Trump's cheeto out of your mouth before doing it
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,557
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."
This is an incredibly stupid comment as the two situations aren't even remotely close to being similar, but I will point out that in the second scenario it's the Chinese government limiting freedom of speech, commerce etc. So even if these scenarios were the same the uproar is still about a government suppressing freedom of expression.

The US isn't the only government in the world, just so you know.

However the first scenario is not about that, it's about scapegoating.
 

SleepyPanda46

Member
Oct 26, 2017
36
I don't think Blizzard fans will do anything at Blizzcon. I know there's this idea that they'll riot or whatever, but I don't think anything will happen.
yeah my thoughts exactly + in other countrys the story isn't this big. And at the end most die hard fans go to blizzcon to have a nice weekend about gaming. But i might be wrong.

Overall it hink they wil not cancle it.
 

Derktron

Banned
Jun 6, 2019
1,445
Good lord, when Republicans and Democrats join together in this you know Activision is fucked.
 

Deleted member 10737

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Oct 27, 2017
49,774
Not really sure what Blizzard's supposed to do. Should they pull out of the Chinese market entirely? Ban Chinese competitors from Blizzcon? Fix the Overwatch World Cup for Team Hong Kong?
say we fucked up and we shouldn't have done what we did, and that it won't happen in the future.
after saying that, they have to deal with what the response from china is going to be.
 

Bunkles

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,663
I feel like it's going to take something radical to get Blizzard's credibility back at this point. This is feeling more and more like a permanent stain as the days go by and no one lets up.
 

TRU

Banned
Nov 9, 2017
521
where's the hypocrisy? the idea that games cause mass shootings is used as a scapegoat by politicians to avoid the actual reason, so it's fair to call it out. here, the politicians are condemning something that should rightfully be condemned.
In what world are ludicrous scapegoat remarks on video game violence and taking issue with a US company bowing to the CCP even remotely the same thing?

One statement is garbage.
The other isn't.

By embracing politicians intervention on a Publisher for a matter that boils down to the publisher enforcing a contract that was violated (I'm not saying they handled it properly) because it harmed their bottom line, then the embracers are saying that it okay for them to step in on other private business matters.

Whether it be Gun use, language, etc in the publishers product, it opens the door to further meddling. While you may think it's great they spoke up and admonished Activision's freedom to operate a business within legal terms (meaning Activision did nothing illegal) on foreign soil for a subject you are so passionate about, you may have issues when they go against other freedoms that don't align with your beliefs in domestic issues on American soil. Such as censoring violence or language or other freedoms Americans enjoy in video games.
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,213
By embracing politicians intervention on a Publisher for a matter that boils down to the publisher enforcing a contract that was violated (I'm not saying they handled it properly) because it harmed their bottom line, then the embracers are saying that it okay for them to step in on other private business matters.

Whether it be Gun use, language, etc in the publishers product, it opens the door to further meddling. While you may think it's great they spoke up and admonished Activision's freedom to operate a business within legal terms (meaning Activision did nothing illegal) on foreign soil for a subject you are so passionate about, you may have issues when they go against other freedoms that don't align with your beliefs in domestic issues on American soil. Such as censoring violence or language or other freedoms Americans enjoy in video games.

So we shouldnt do anything good because doing something good could lead to something bad? Ok
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,140
Adam played the best hand he could, sure they lose china money in the short term. But everyone in the NBA is still making crazy money and China already looks like they are coming back.

Nothing is impossible, it's what they are willing to pay. They going to get bad press either way.
Right, it's not literally impossible, but there's still 0 chance they cancel.

There's no question in my mind that killing their biggest marketing day of the year (Heck, looks like of the last 4 years), the goodwill of ANY fans who spent money to go, along with just the negative press that would surround it in general (and all the planning etc down the drain, plus still likely being locked in for the convention center and staffing rates) is far worse than just trying to ignore it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,004
By embracing politicians intervention on a Publisher for a matter that boils down to the publisher enforcing a contract that was violated (I'm not saying they handled it properly) because it harmed their bottom line, then the embracers are saying that it okay for them to step in on other private business matters.

Whether it be Gun use, language, etc in the publishers product, it opens the door to further meddling. While you may think it's great they spoke up and admonished Activision's freedom to operate a business within legal terms (meaning Activision did nothing illegal) on foreign soil for a subject you are so passionate about, you may have issues when they go against other freedoms that don't align with your beliefs in domestic issues on American soil. Such as censoring violence or language or other freedoms Americans enjoy in video games.

If America or any country does some shit that is wrong then bring it on, anyone should be able to protest injustice that happens anywhere, we live in a globalized world and the shit that is happening in China affects us.
 

TRU

Banned
Nov 9, 2017
521
This is an incredibly stupid comment as the two situations aren't even remotely close to being similar, but I will point out that in the second scenario it's the Chinese government limiting freedom of speech, commerce etc. So even if these scenarios were the same the uproar is still about a government suppressing freedom of expression.

The US isn't the only government in the world, just so you know.

However the first scenario is not about that, it's about scapegoating.



The first scenario is a politician telling companies what they can and cannot do with their products and you not agreeing with it.

The second scenario is a company enforcing an employees contract. The employee violated his contract and harmed his employers brand and business model because he violated those terms because of his personal beliefs. If I did the same thing to my employer they would fire me for just cause and no politicians in America would stand up for me.
 

Magnus

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Oct 25, 2017
8,358
no one should be applauded for reversing bullshit bans and punishments that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

I can absolutely imagine a suit thinking that's a good idea, but if it were to happen, I would hope that every single person in attendance would boo them. They shouldn't be applauded for fixing something they shouldn't have done to begin with.

Word, but what would attendees in the auditorium do following said theoretical announcement? Applause really just indicates agreement with the decision, not necessarily outright praise.
 

Rand a. Thor

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
10,213
Greece
This makes me wonder and hope that the Hong Kong Bill is actually something that can properly pass now cause if you got bipartisan support for allowing free speech against the current Chinese political climate in something like this then there is actual Congressional support bubbling within.
 

Deleted member 32561

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Nov 11, 2017
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The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."
One is government censorship. The other is government officials shaming a company for taking an active stance against human rights without taking any active action outside of the statement.

Also: Blizzard says "oh we'd do that with any opinion that caused public upset". Sorry, but the literal only people who could be reasonably offended by what Blitzchung did are the Chinese government, and they didn't even make a statement about it. Oh, and I guess white Maoists and tankies who can't tell the difference between democratic socialism, Maoist China and State-Capitalist China, but no non-Chinese company gives a shit about them. Regardless! Blizzard didn't actually act on any real statement where "all weren't welcome" or whatever, nor to any actual upset Blitzchung caused. They kowtowed to what they thought was an authoritarian government's desires. They actively chose a side with their action. This goes beyond defending their monetary interests.

And I'm sorry, but even outside of that, if Acti-Blizzard can't afford to not pass over the Chinese market if they're banned from it due to not taking an inexcusable action against their e-sports competitors, maybe they don't deserve to be in business.
 

Death Penalty

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,291
where's the hypocrisy? the idea that games cause mass shootings is used as a scapegoat by politicians to avoid the actual reason, so it's fair to call it out. here, the politicians are condemning something that should rightfully be condemned.
There seems to be a general misconception that disagreeing with someone on one topic means you're a hypocrite for agreeing with them on another. Nuance is a lost art.
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,557
The first scenario is a politician telling companies what they can and cannot do with their products and you not agreeing with it.

The second scenario is a company enforcing an employees contract. The employee violated his contract and harmed his employers brand and business model because he violated those terms because of his personal beliefs. If I did the same thing to my employer they would fire me for just cause and no politicians in America would stand up for me.
You still don't understand why people were upset in the first scenario. It's not because the government is trying to tell game companies what to do. It's because Trump and a couple of his parrots are incorrectly blaming mass shootings on video games. People are outraged because they want MASS SHOOTINGS to be addressed in a way that prevents them from happening in the future. Holding video game companies accountable for mass shootings will do nothing to prevent further mass shootings because all statistics show that they have little to no influence.

This basic misunderstanding of why people on Era (and elsewhere) were angry is why your comparison makes little sense.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,315
The below summation does not reflect the opinions of all politicians, nor does it reflect all members of resetera's opinions. It's just my interpretation of hypocrisy:


Politicians - "Video Games are causing mass shootings, publishers need to be held accountable as they are profiting on Violent video games"

Resetera - "Thats ridiculous, the government has no right to tell publishers what to do. Freedom of speech, commerce, etc."

—————————————————————————-

Politicians - "Video Game Publishers have no right to run their business to ensure profitability and we are going to tell them how they should engage their business practices when we don't like what they do."

Resetera - "Damn right you tell them publishers how they should run their business and make money."
Era disagrees with politicians when they are dumb and harmful, and agrees with them when they are right. Curious! I wonder why that is. It must be hypocrisy, indeed. Can't think of anything else.
 

Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131
When even a spineless jellyfish like Rubio stands up to you, you know you've screwed up hard.
 

TRU

Banned
Nov 9, 2017
521
If America or any country does some shit that is wrong then bring it on, anyone should be able to protest injustice that happens anywhere, we live in a globalized world and the shit that is happening in China affects us.

In the most respectful way, I'm legit curious how exactly is what is happening in China affecting you? They have been operating the same way for decades if not centuries? Why is it different today than in September, or 2018, 2010, 1990? Pretty much no one in the video game community had any passion about what is going on in China until a streamer got let go for violating terms of his contract.

Seems to me everyone has been pretty happy with China. Wearing Nike's, playing games on consoles, using tablets and cell phones ALL made in sweatshops with borderline or actual slave labor in you guessed it CHINA. But a streamer loses a paycheck and it's a HUGE deal.

And by God good for those politicians for giving to Activision today. Who cares that the politicians never spoke up about all the poor kids in sweatshops making my PlayStation for free, they are doing the right thing by speaking out against treatment of a streamer.

These politicians are pandering to you because "it's a hot topic".
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,004
In the most respectful way, I'm legit curious how exactly is what is happening in China affecting you? They have been operating the same way for decades if not centuries? Why is it different today than in September, or 2018, 2010, 1990? Pretty much no one in the video game community had any passion about what is going on in China until a streamer got let go for violating terms of his contract.

Seems to me everyone has been pretty happy with China. Wearing Nike's, playing games on consoles, using tablets and cell phones ALL made in sweatshops with borderline or actual slave labor in you guessed it CHINA. But a streamer loses a paycheck and it's a HUGE deal.

And by God good for those politicians for giving to Activision today. Who cares that the politicians never spoke up about all the poor kids in sweatshops making my PlayStation for free, they are doing the right thing by speaking out against treatment of a streamer.

These politicians are pandering to you because "it's a hot topic".

It is a huge deal, also your post reeks of whataboutism.

I could not care less about the "terms of his contract", like at all. Also there are other problems, sure, how about we give a shit about this one instead of just saying "well there's worse problems", something is better than nothing.
 

boy power

Banned
Jul 29, 2019
213
In the most respectful way, I'm legit curious how exactly is what is happening in China affecting you? They have been operating the same way for decades if not centuries?
Well China is a big reason why LGBT representation is hard to implement in mainstream media like video games, movies and animated films, because China (and Russia) censors everything gay in their media.
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,557
In the most respectful way, I'm legit curious how exactly is what is happening in China affecting you? They have been operating the same way for decades if not centuries? Why is it different today than in September, or 2018, 2010, 1990? Pretty much no one in the video game community had any passion about what is going on in China until a streamer got let go for violating terms of his contract.

Seems to me everyone has been pretty happy with China. Wearing Nike's, playing games on consoles, using tablets and cell phones ALL made in sweatshops with borderline or actual slave labor in you guessed it CHINA. But a streamer loses a paycheck and it's a HUGE deal.

And by God good for those politicians for giving to Activision today. Who cares that the politicians never spoke up about all the poor kids in sweatshops making my PlayStation for free, they are doing the right thing by speaking out against treatment of a streamer.

These politicians are pandering to you because "it's a hot topic".
Many of us have had issues with China for a long time, but what they're doing in Hong Kong now is not how they've always operated. China is also using their economic muscle to silence US companies. This is something we can speak out on and have an effect on. We can't do much about what happens in Mainland China.