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US to deport undocumented immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle death
- Thread starter JORMBO
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So you don't at all have a problem with someone repeatedly re-entering a country illegally to manufacture heroin?
I think they're advocating the next Danganronpa game
less so than i have with people profiting off of the manufacture and completely unregulated sales of murder sticks
heroin kills the user
guns kill other people
The government controls the rockets.
This is dumb. A gun will just sit there doing nothing if you don't pick it up and use it. People kill people.
So we were lied to about the facts of the case by conservatives and conservative media the entire time? Color me shocked
Yes because they are idiots, not because guns magically fire for no real reason.
the purpose of drugs is to fuck up yourself
the purpose of guns is to fuck up other people
I mean, the fact of the matter is he was acquitted by a jury after a trial, so the prosecutor didn't do a good job. Frankly, given the rhetoric being used I won't be surprised if Trump starts attacking jurors by name on Twitter to build some kind of narrative.
As for the illegal immigrant angle, sure, he wasn't deported or found early enough to prevent this.
Maybe if ICE weren't so busy sitting outside the operating room of a 10-year old girl they want to deport they could get rid of more of these "bad dudes."
As for the illegal immigrant angle, sure, he wasn't deported or found early enough to prevent this.
Maybe if ICE weren't so busy sitting outside the operating room of a 10-year old girl they want to deport they could get rid of more of these "bad dudes."
And neither drugs nor guns will hurt anyone sitting untouched. Hell, sometimes drugs actually heal people and guns actually defend people. But neither do so passively.
Tracking down people like this actually takes effort so they'd rather take the easy targets.
i would advocate they go to jail for possessing the gun in the first place
Ok but they don't... so it doesn't change the facts of this case.
i would advocate they go to jail for illegally possessing the gun in the first place.
Fixed it for you.
Yes, that's what I meant, provided that legal gun ownership is HEAVILY restricted compared to today
Trump campaigned on this case, and he complained about the verdict on Twitter, which is highly irregular.
GOP played their base like puppets with this fucking story. Tragic, yes. In the larger scheme of things, a blip on the map.
Yeah, he should be in jail for his recklessness and whatever crimes he violated. No argument there. But the way he was painted to have been robbing them, at gun point, in broad day light, on a busy pier.. straight up lies meant to instill fear of Mexicans.
How many times has Trump attempted to bring about a fear of white males after a mass shooting has occurred? But he damn sure jumps on the opportunity when a mass shooting is committed by someone with darker skin.
Fuck the current PotUS.
Yeah, he should be in jail for his recklessness and whatever crimes he violated. No argument there. But the way he was painted to have been robbing them, at gun point, in broad day light, on a busy pier.. straight up lies meant to instill fear of Mexicans.
How many times has Trump attempted to bring about a fear of white males after a mass shooting has occurred? But he damn sure jumps on the opportunity when a mass shooting is committed by someone with darker skin.
Fuck the current PotUS.
It's certainly going to be used in a lot of election campaigns. His included. And it's going to be incredibly effective. They're nothing if not predictable.
According to a article I read, this gun was special in that had no safety and it trigger was designed to react at the slightest touch. The type of modification on it are band in some law enforcement circles because it is so deadly and take special training not to accidental fire. It has a track record of higher than normal accidentally firing rates.
Also, the gun did steal the gun. They have evidence that another group of people stole the gun and placed it in that alley (likely to hide it for a future pick up).
Apologies, I wasn't clear. I meant that they shouldn't be punished just for possessing, only if they're legally not allowed.
No, I understand that's what you meant. And my point was that I'd agree with that provided that the requirements for legally being allowed to own guns are HEAVILY restricted compared to today
He was already in custody and instead of notifying ICE that he was to be released, they let him walk out a free man. So yeah, there ya go. ICE issued a notice to detain and the Sheriffs department ignored it and released this guy from jail. Three months later, someone is accidentally killed with this man involved. Convicted of SEVEN felonies. Let's not notify ICE of someone that has not only illegally entered the USA, but he's a habitual felon; best thing to do is release him back into the public.
Christ... No safety and a hair trigger seems about as foolish as anything I've ever heard of.
When ICE is spending much of it's effort persecuting people just looking for a better life they force cities and counties to distance themselves from cooperating with ICE, simple as that.
Just like how the DEA consistently antagonized states with medical marijuana laws led to states not collaborating with the DEA on a host of other more serious issues. Or in how the BLM's inability to stand up to to the oil industry in any meaningful way led to states issuing their own offshore drilling prohibitions.
When the federal agency required to manage an aspect of our society turns it's sphere into a partisan issue states that don't match their partisan agenda.
As someone who grew up in a family (both immediate and extended) that owned roughly 4-5 guns per person I don't think you know what you're talking about.
There was a news article just a few weeks ago about someone in Tennessee shooting himself and his wife when just showing his gun off at church. About a year ago a woman got shot in the back by her child for leaving a gun in the back pocket of her car seat. The number of people who get accidentally shot is high enough to where we only see coverage on the REALLY dumb ones, which says a lot about how often it actually happens.
And regardless of how believable his defense it, it was clearly more believable than the prosecution's narrative, so says a jury given all the facts as could be best assembled for the trial.
Yeah, it's a police issue SIG Sauer, http://www.sfexaminer.com/guns-history-accidental-discharges/
This also isn't a cheap gun (A quick google search of SIG Sauer shows they are around $700 minimum), and this is a homeless person. It wouldn't take too much effort to introduce reasonable doubt that he knew the weapon was going to discharge- it's a lot easier to discharge than other handguns
His history, the entire situation and the fact he shouldn't have been here to begin with do raise some complex questions, that I personally don't know what the answer is to. As a father of 2 girls, putting my self in the victim's parents position, the anger and outrage I would have is immense. Are there any immigration proposals that are viable and fair that could potentially have prevented something like this from occurring?
I don't see what deporting him again will accomplish. I'm sure we can expect him to be back in California in a couple months.
It doesn't force anyone from notifying the proper authorities of an illegal immigrant, habitual felon. Let's try and use some logic. Let's send out this criminal back into our neighborhoods, markets, etc., because ICE are being assholes? They can choose to not cooperate with ICE in regards someone that is here trying to find a better life, while at the same time, notify ICE of habitual felon offenders.
Seperate charges- has nothing to do with the shooting.
Thanks for finding the article for me. I been digging for it with no luck. LOL
it's not their job to enforce immigration laws. Trying to play border cop hurts their ability to do their actual job in their community. You make it sound as if they are actively shielding these people. They simply aren't doing anything about them, which again makes sense since it is not their job to. You could make the same complaint about anyone who comes across an undocumented person and doesn't run to ICE to report them. ICE knew he was in San Francisco (he got there from Federal Prison after all) -- there wasn't anything stopping them from going to get him if they had cause to
Also, they didn't release a felon "because ICE are being assholes". They released a felon because the (20-year old) charges against him were dropped
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A wall would not had prevented this.
Stop sending guns and funding the cartels in Mexico would.
But that's how the "security" agencies get to spend big bucks.
Stop sending guns and funding the cartels in Mexico would.
But that's how the "security" agencies get to spend big bucks.
Republicans crying foul over an accidental shooting by an illegal immigrant, who killed one person, but refuse to talk gun control and about a CITIZEN that mass murdered people in Las Vegas.
We can talk all day about a border wall to protect us, but it seems it's always to early to talk about any form of gun control. If Republicans truly cared about Kate or any of the Las Vegas victims, they would talk gun control.
No, Republicans don't care about Kate. They only care that this guy was an illegal immigrant.
We can talk all day about a border wall to protect us, but it seems it's always to early to talk about any form of gun control. If Republicans truly cared about Kate or any of the Las Vegas victims, they would talk gun control.
No, Republicans don't care about Kate. They only care that this guy was an illegal immigrant.
Local law enforcement has no requirement to respect a request from federal immigration enforcement agencies. Extension of detainment by local law enforcement of a person for no reason other than to comply with a detention request has been held to be unlawful in the Ninth Circuit where all of this took place. The whole system of detention requests ICE has put into place with programs like Secure Communities and the Priority Enforcement Program is flirting with unconstitutionality under the Tenth Amendment, but there is an awful lack of state's rights activists coming out to call out the federal government for attempting to interfere with local law enforcement.
It is not t proper or lawful for local law enforcement to hold a person for ICE. ICE could have camped outside of whatever prison this guy was being released from - don't put it on local law enforcement.
The defense claim is that he found it on the pier (it's in the OP by the way)
How is this "prosecutorial overreach"? The District Attorney charged him with murder, manslaughter, and assault. The jury acquitted him of those charges. At what point did the prosecution overreach?
That is what they charged him with, but what they actually argued was first degree murder
Which, btw, was ridiculous considering he didn't even shoot at her -- it was a ricochet that killed her
You're asking the jury to just fill in the gaps because 'he must be guilty of something' even if the prosecution didn't make the case that he was guilty of those lesser included charges
So this guy wasn't supposed to be here after being deported previously and ends up accidentally killing someone when he illegally enters back into the country.
Seems pretty cut and dry. Yet he gets away with murder. Very unfortunate, him getting deported means nothing, because he has been deported before only to come back and to have blood on his hands.
I'm not saying he maliciously aimed and fired, but I'm just of the feeling that the moment you pull that trigger in any scenario you're agreeing to a unwritten consent that you're taking full responsibility for what happens when that bullet hits something.
In an ideal world that would apply to everyone from cops to FBI to everyday citizens. (Yes I mean immediate terminations and or jail time)
I feel awful for the family of the deceased, justice was not served.
Seems pretty cut and dry. Yet he gets away with murder. Very unfortunate, him getting deported means nothing, because he has been deported before only to come back and to have blood on his hands.
I'm not saying he maliciously aimed and fired, but I'm just of the feeling that the moment you pull that trigger in any scenario you're agreeing to a unwritten consent that you're taking full responsibility for what happens when that bullet hits something.
In an ideal world that would apply to everyone from cops to FBI to everyday citizens. (Yes I mean immediate terminations and or jail time)
I feel awful for the family of the deceased, justice was not served.
So every parent with a child who accidentally kills themselves with their gun should be charged with murder? Or surely any crime because of their negligence.