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USATODAY: Son of 9/11 victim addresses Ilhan Omar during memorial: 'Show respect in honoring them, please'
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there wasn't anything controversial about it. But people will take things out of context and twist words of others to score points, and the dems let them do it. So here we are.
She made those comments under the specific context of being brown and Muslim.
You can remember your dead mom any day. How often do you get to broadcast your passion to the nation?
To me? Nothing. I think the better question to ask is how somebody could perceive them to be a slight or controversial, which has a fairly obvious answer. They either aren't considering full context and/or they are victims of some horrible attack and are considering things through a more emotional, personal lens.
Because he's a racist fuck.
It's disgraceful.
yeah lots of europeans and australians too. White people in general I guess
i wonder how much the islamophobia and racism industry (hollywood, news media, videogames) affected the islamophobia we see in India and China at the moment
The Omar hit squad isn't going to stop. Again. She did nothing wrong. White folks all up in their feelings and making shit up. Again.
I don't think so either, but I allow for people who did. And side eye the ones who pretend to be offended.
From wikipedia
In the speech Omar said, "CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us [Muslims in the U.S.] were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."
"Recognized some people did something" is a very weird way to phrase it. It has been used as an attack on her for 'downplaying' the attacks on 9/11.
why isn't he mad at the trump administration for being best friends with the saudis who provided material support to the 9/11 hijackers?
it's not weird, her point was that an entire demographic was being blamed for the actions of a very small group. if you listen to the speech it makes total sense.
I'm not going to forget that 9/11 has been continuously propped up for the last nearly two decades as a means of fueling racism and Islamophobia.
I say this as someone who immigrated to the US a year before it happened, who went to high school a couple of blocks from Ground Zero and grew up in NYC under the shadow of 9/11, having to deal with Islamophobic comments by people who otherwise claimed to be 'tolerant' and pulled out the 9/11 card as a way of justifying it, people who weren't even close to anyone affected by the attacks.
I obviously fucking know how much of a tragedy 9/11 and I shouldn't be scrutinized further because I'm a brown man. It's like I have to say it very clearly and slowly "yes, 9/11 was bad" in case me pointing out how a minority group was affected makes me somehow unsympathetic or not a real American or something.
I say this as someone who immigrated to the US a year before it happened, who went to high school a couple of blocks from Ground Zero and grew up in NYC under the shadow of 9/11, having to deal with Islamophobic comments by people who otherwise claimed to be 'tolerant' and pulled out the 9/11 card as a way of justifying it, people who weren't even close to anyone affected by the attacks.
I obviously fucking know how much of a tragedy 9/11 and I shouldn't be scrutinized further because I'm a brown man. It's like I have to say it very clearly and slowly "yes, 9/11 was bad" in case me pointing out how a minority group was affected makes me somehow unsympathetic or not a real American or something.
Her statement is taken out of context to an extreme degree. It's mind boggling.
And so much this.
9/11 is a tragedy, yet so many Americans are completely ignorant of what the USA has done abroad as a result of it.
And so much this.
9/11 is a tragedy, yet so many Americans are completely ignorant of what the USA has done abroad as a result of it.
If people are sensitive to 9/11 being referred to as "something" - fine. I just wonder if she would have gotten the same shit if she had said, "Muslims lost their civil liberties because of the actions of some." That's almost a fixed-phrase, is the same thing and is commonly used to refer to killing, including terrorism and mass murder.
Or Rudy Giuliani who's spent nearly 2 decades trying to hold on to political relevancy exploiting it.
And I get her point, but it's still a suboptimal way to phrase something like that. If I as a German would say some people did something in Germany between 1933 and 1945 that wouldn't fly.
it was literally direct blowback from american support of middle eastern terrorists and governments like the KSA
and then instead of taking it as an opportunity to self-reflect and understand how we directly caused it we doubled down and made everything way worse
Yes because a war and attrocities commited by a nation state is exactly the same as an act of terror by a radicalized cell.
the only english words she knew up until age 12 were "hello" and "shut up" so i think i can forgive some clumsy phrasing when she's clearly correct in her overall point
I'm sure it's just coincidence, and that he applies the same rigorous standards to white politicians, that he evidently does to brown ones. I'm sure. Implying anything else would mean calling him the R word, and that's the real bigotry, after all.
Yeah, Al-Qaeda is much more than that. I've seen what they've done to Afghanistan.
you're confusing al qaeda with the taliban
maybe omar isn't the one who needs to educate herself on modern history
No, it would be more like if some random Germans committed a crime and then you said "some people did something" referring to that.
Huh, he didn't pipe up when the event or the date was constantly weaponised in order to kill a million brown people.
Too bad he wouldn't call out his dipshit cult leader who bragged about now having the tallest building in Manhattan on 9/11.
Oh fuck him and his stupid fucking message. Trump was bitching about polls today instead of honoring the victims of 911. Republican senators are the ones who've been fucking the first responders for YEARS.
Fuck that kid.
Fuck that kid.
It's insane how much of a break Trump gets in regards to that. That statement is a distillation of Trump as a narcissistic, un-empathetic troll and goes fucking ignored by so many people including in this case
Because she never did
[insert Frakes "It's fiction" compilation]
Honestly, she said something insensitive while trying to make another point.
She's going to have this thrown at her the rest of her career.
That's her fault. Victims/survivors/family have every right to trash her on this.
I don't even see it as a lib or conservative thing. Omar could have made her point without belittling 9/11, which she absolutely did. There is no reason to defend her on that. It doesn't make you pro conservative to denounce what she said.
I think Political tribalism has blinded common sense here.
She's going to have this thrown at her the rest of her career.
That's her fault. Victims/survivors/family have every right to trash her on this.
I don't even see it as a lib or conservative thing. Omar could have made her point without belittling 9/11, which she absolutely did. There is no reason to defend her on that. It doesn't make you pro conservative to denounce what she said.
I think Political tribalism has blinded common sense here.
I disagree.
She screwed up. Period. She handed the right a talking point and people on the left trying to run damage control for her look desperate.
I support her on almost all issues, including the original point she was trying to make, but she chose very bad words to call out Islamaphobia and wound up dismantling her own cause. She could have done better there.
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It would be more like if you as a Eastern European were to say "we shouldn't have to live under constant threat of Russia because of something some people did seventy years ago."
Exactly the same outcome. If an American Muslim doesn't loudly apologize for 9/11 every single time they speak in public, they're branded an unpatriotic traitor by the usual suspects.
The right will generate racist/antisemitic/Islamophobic talking points any time a minority talks about civil rights. The only way to avoid that is to be silent, which is what the right -- and "moderates" -- want.
It would be more like if you as a Eastern European were to say "we shouldn't have to live under constant threat of Russia because of something some people did seventy years ago."
Exactly the same outcome. If an American Muslim doesn't loudly apologize for 9/11 every single time they speak in public, they're branded an unpatriotic traitor by the usual suspects.
The right will generate racist/antisemitic/Islamophobic talking points any time a minority talks about civil rights. The only way to avoid that is to be silent, which is what the right -- and "moderates" -- want.
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Nah. Fuck that. I say this as a person who was there and lost someone too.