USCIS is Starting a Denaturalization Task Force

Nokterian

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Yes this is real and now it is accelerating in to authoritarianism and yes this is stage five of genocide.



The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services is creating a new task force. Its goal: to examine what they say are bad naturalization cases, according to Director L. Francis Cissna’s June announcement.

As a result, the organization expects to hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers in the coming weeks to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them.
If you don't stand up to this it will go down the rabbit whole even further.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/u...0835&utm_term=Page:+The+Takeaway&sf90130835=1
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Yes this is real and now it is accelerating in to authoritarianism and yes this is stage five of genocide.


If you don't stand up to this it will go down the rabbit whole even further.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/uscis-starting-denaturalization-task-force?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=spredfast&utm_content=sf90130835&utm_term=Page:+The+Takeaway&sf90130835=1
This article has a bit more information and history in it. I didn't recognize your source so I went looking for others.

Like many of the Trump Administration’s sadistic immigration innovations, the new task force doesn’t reflect a change in the law. In fact, like a number of practices, including mass deportations, it builds on the legacy of the Obama Administration, which set in motion the process of reëxamining old naturalization files. L. Francis Cissna, the director of U.S.C.I.S., told the Associated Press that his agency is looking for people who “should not have been naturalized in the first place”—for example, those who had been ordered to be deported earlier and obtained citizenship under a different name—and this sounds reasonable enough. It’s the apparent underlying premise that makes this new effort so troublesome: the idea that America is under attack by malevolent immigrants who cause dangerous harm by finding ways to live here.
Edit: I can not believe I forgot the link. Thank you.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...ns-no-longer-have-an-assumption-of-permanence
 
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MilkBeard

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Feels like we are in a point somewhere between 5 and 7. There has been propaganda to some degree, but we live in a world where the people are spreading the propaganda themselves. But yes, they definitely have started the process, so that's a stage 7 action.
 

Dullahan

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America. History will NOT look back kindly on this.

Just shameful.
 

VectorPrime

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Among many other things the 9-0 decision in Maslenjak vs United States just last year is going to make this extremely difficult for the Trump administration to do. The barrier to strip citizenship from a naturalized person is extremely high, they basically have to be here under a false identity or have an Interpol warrant out for their arrest or something like that.

They’ll try some hack legal chicanery that gets shot down by the courts in a matter of hours.
 

SolarPowered

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Catering to hispanic voters? They're going to try everything short of a final solution before Texas Latinos cross the 50% threshold.
 

SuperBanana

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So we're nearly at stage 8. Fucking hell. Is this really happening? That list is terrifyingly accurate.
 

Parch

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Two steps from extermination. Your american government is on fast track to get er done before the end of the first term.
 

EYEL1NER

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Don’t see how this would ever get through the legal system. Not that it’ll stop them from trying.
It's always been really hard to denaturalize someone but lying about stuff on the application has been the way it's happened. The Supreme Court case that Vector Prime mentioned, Maslenjak vs the US, did tighten that up a lot though, so that they aren't supposed to be denaturalizing people based on a lie about speeding in the past or anything.
Here's the syllabus for the opinion: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-309_h31i.pdf

You can see that the government was arguing last year that any lie whatsoever could be grounds for removal. I can't believe the Supreme Court telling them to fuck off was so uninimous though, but it was.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/politics/supreme-court-naturalization.html said:
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. tried to test the limits of the government’s position at a Supreme Court argument on Wednesdayby confessing to a criminal offense.

“Some time ago, outside the statute of limitations, I drove 60 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone,” the chief justice said, adding that he had not been caught.

The form that people seeking American citizenship must complete, he added, asks whether the applicant had ever committed a criminal offense, however minor, even if there was no arrest.

“If I answer that question no, 20 years after I was naturalized as a citizen, you can knock on my door and say, ‘Guess what, you’re not an American citizen after all’?” Chief Justice Roberts asked.

Robert A. Parker, a Justice Department lawyer, said the offense had to be disclosed. Chief Justice Roberts seemed shocked. “Oh, come on,” he said.

The chief justice asked again whether someone’s citizenship could turn on such an omission.

Mr. Parker did not back down. “If we can prove that you deliberately lied in answering that question, then yes,” he said.

The exchange was among several moments of indignation and incredulity during the argument in Maslenjak v. United States, No. 16-309. Several justices seemed taken aback by Mr. Parker’s unyielding position that the government may revoke the citizenship of Americans who made even trivial misstatements in their naturalization proceedings.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy had heard enough.

“Your argument is demeaning the priceless value of citizenship,” he told Mr. Parker. “You’re arguing for the government of the United States, talking about what citizenship is and ought to mean.”
 

NookSports

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I'm in the process of removing conditions from my green card (basically 2 years after you marry, you have to prove the marriage was legit).

I'm scared they'll find some pretext to deny it
 

skullmuffins

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"we're against illegal immigration" says administration continuously looking for new ways to strip legal status from hundreds of thousands of immigrants
 

Host Samurai

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Yup. And next it will be the gays and backs. This is why it’s so important to fight now.

This is also a way to gerrymander so that immigrants don’t vote blue.
 

Chamaeleonx

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I'd argue we're pretty much up to point 7 on that list actually.
Obviously, even if some stages morphed or aren't as prevalent.

Among many other things the 9-0 decision in Maslenjak vs United States just last year is going to make this extremely difficult for the Trump administration to do. The barrier to strip citizenship from a naturalized person is extremely high, they basically have to be here under a false identity or have an Interpol warrant out for their arrest or something like that.

They’ll try some hack legal chicanery that gets shot down by the courts in a matter of hours.
We can probably be sure they will try every way possible, false attacks/documents, using the Supreme Court where he gets a new pick soon, etc. .
It might be more difficult than in Germany back then, times were different, etc. . But that doesn't change the fact that these symptoms are showing up. =x
 

hibikase

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Taking away citizenship is a fucking disgusting act that should never happen.
 

Kobe

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This makes no sense. Why anyone would think this needs to be done is outrageous. WTF
 
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All the more reason to work against this through legal aid and civil disobedience. I'm not sure we're at any one stage specifically, but it's come much too far along for the administration to quit. All fascist behavior and rhetoric from the Trump camp would lose cachet with his base if he relented even a bit.
 

Fedeuy

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Why the hell are the dems so quiet about everything?, its like everyone is going down without a fight...
I cant believe the Usa has turned into this.
 

WedgeX

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Believe I said this in the other thread, but every US citizen ought to fear this.
 

Polaroid_64

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Why the hell are the dems so quiet about everything?, its like everyone is going down without a fight...
I cant believe the Usa has turned into this.
Elected officials are preaching civility because they don't want to lose their status.

The rest of us, me included, need to step up. Some already have, and props to them.
 

Thebeast!

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The same thing that happens in china. I would stay away from the usa if you were not born here
 

Skelepuzzle

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Why the hell are the dems so quiet about everything?, its like everyone is going down without a fight...
I cant believe the Usa has turned into this.
The leadership? I agree.

The people are not uniformly ignoring this, however. The last national march had a great turnout. Politicians are finally being confronted in public. At least one ICE office has been shut down due to occupiers. There has been a 600 person arrest.

Many more people will join in. This isn't going away.

Relevant:
 

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Fuck. My parents were both naturalized and thats how citizeship was passes to me, though I was also born in Mexico... I may have to make some calls to make sure things were all on the books.
 
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I was going to say "don't go that far" but when I double checked the list....eeeesh. I can't imagine it hitting level 8 though, at that point you have international intervention
What intervention? All other countries combined couldn't threaten the US even if they could afford to. This wouldn't be WW3, it would be the literal end of civilization as we know it on this planet in case that somehow happened.

Economic sanctions. That's how you intervene.
I'm not counting on that working anywhere near in time to prevent a genocide.
 

Xiaomi

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A lot of people going to become stateless and therefore fucked because of this.
 
I remain suspicious that one of the true purposes of this is to create a weapon to threaten immigrant entrepreneurs, such as in silicon valley tech. People like Bannon and Miller have long had their sights sent on people of the wrong ethnicity "taking over" in those sectors.

The tech sector is one thing that has the potential to fuck up the construction of the fascist ethnostate by denying it infrastructure. How convenient it would be to have a mechanism in place to make people in tech who become troublesome vanish overnight because irregularities were suddenly discovered in their immigration history.
 

Palette Swap

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I know it’s obvious, but the notion that citizenship can be rolled back coupled to an arm that actively looks for cases to enforce is chilling. It absolutely normalizes and institutionalizes the idea that some people’s citizenship will always be suspect and deserve scrutiny.
 

apocat

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I'd argue we're pretty much up to point 7 on that list actually.
Agreed.

Any US citizen that is not protesting, contacting representatives and in some way actively resisting this descent into a totalitarian regime is complicit by being passive. You guys are far beyond the stage where it's enough to make statements on a message board. You need to activate yourselves.