Totally honestly, I'd be happy either way. Boys, guys, dudes, it just all feels extremely non gendered to me when I hear it.Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Totally honestly, I'd be happy either way. Boys, guys, dudes, it just all feels extremely non gendered to me when I hear it.Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Would't care, but part of the reason that "boys" persists is because the incredible vast majority of other players (at least those who speak on their microphone) tend to be male. Male voices are the only thing you hear in these games. I honestly think that's how "boys" started, and why it continues.Yeh, quick test:
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I wouldn't give a damn. Like, at all.Yeh, quick test:
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Yeh, quick test:
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Here's the thing on what you said above though --It's just about doing your best to be respectful and accommodate the people around you and let the people you're with know you see and recognize them as part of the experience. It's not super important to every single person but for the people it benefits it really means a lot.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Personally, the juxataposition of my gender (a dude) would just make me laugh a bit. But I'm also not a victim to misgendering for the sake of harassment so I am at a privileged position to be able to find it amusing rather than hurtful.Yeh, quick test:
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Anytime I hear someone say "lets go boys" I know they're just fucking around just the same way when someone says "ladies".Yeh, quick test:
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I watch drag queen videos on Youtube with my GF on the regular. They refer to their audience as "Queens", "Bitches", "Ladies", etc. I don't even think twice.Yeh, quick test:
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Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
This too. Like, I get people don't mean anything by it, but it's really weird when people say something like for instance "Jolteon is the best spiky boi" and stuff like that. I get they don't mean anything by it, but it's really weird to refer to animals, or in this case, fictional animals as a specific gender when they come in both varieties, and yeah... I know they don't mean anything by it, but it's definitely weird to just refer to an entire species as a specific gender like that, and that's another thing I try to be careful of as well.I definitely don't like the idea of 'boys' becoming a more frequently used term to refer to a group of people, but I've never had an issue with 'guys', and prefer we continue using that instead.
A much bigger issue I have, honestly, is the over-prevalence of people using male pronouns to refer to non-gender defined people or animals. Like we really do have an issue with treating the male sex as default.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
I have this one co-worker who uses ladies like, nine out of ten times. I don't mind.
Yeap, at this point "guys" is more of a general term covering any gender. I have heard women use it when speaking to mixed gender audiences/team's (office teams not necessarily sport).Guys is informal and absolutely non-gendered.
A Fall Guy can be a male or female as can a Wise Guy.
This thread happened before and is once again trying to rewrite the English language.
factsI vote we abolish the word boy and replace it with the much superior boi.
Yeh, quick test:
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Couldn't care less.Yeh, quick test:
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Don't care - worked in Childcare education so "girls" was common. The only way you change this is by saying "folks" or "people". If this is the biggest issue you are facing as a non-binary than life for you ins't so bad.
1) Is that co-worker a man
2) Is that co-worker using "ladies" as a gender neutral term or because "ladies" is a funny way to address a group of men?
Not everyone's identity is just their gender and them feeling under represented or denied isn't just tied to that.RE: responses to that latest question in thread:
This is what I expected I think. When you're not part of a group of people who has been under represented/denied, the idea of it won't really hurt you. You have so much representation and affirmation of your identity that you're bullet proof here.
Honestly, I was a silly question to ask because of this.
That's because these people have never had to question/defend their identity in the same way.Not everyone's identity is just their gender and them feeling under represented or denied isn't just tied to that.
I would have thought everyone just used guys? I see it at this point as a word that is non gendered.
He's a man. As to why he uses it, I can't really tell you. I never asked. My workplace is not just men though. Fairly big place, 7/3 ratio of men maybe?
That's just boys, but with more vowels :P
What about someone's race? Again, you're trying to say that someone's identity is just tied to their gender, when their identity could be other things. Are you gonna tell a male POC that they've never felt under represented?That's because these people have never had to question/defend their identity.
Yeh, quick test:
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Doesn't bother me. Same thing when people say " Let's do this ladies!". Like 99% of the time anybody says stuff like this, it's in lightheartedness ( is that even a word? lol).Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
This too. Like, I get people don't mean anything by it, but it's really weird when people say something like for instance "Jolteon is the best spiky boi" and stuff like that. I get they don't mean anything by it, but it's really weird to refer to animals, or in this case, fictional animals as a specific gender when they come in both varieties, and yeah... I know they don't mean anything by it, but it's definitely weird to just refer to an entire species as a specific gender like that, and that's another thing I try to be careful of as well.
Yeh, quick test:
How many of you defending the use of Boys would be happy if we replaced it with Girls? Be honest.
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