I know you're trying to be edgy and hip but you have no clue what you're talking about. Thousand yards away for a drone is practically nothing
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USS Boxer downs Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz after it came within 1000 yards of the ship
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I know you're trying to be edgy and hip but you have no clue what you're talking about. Thousand yards away for a drone is practically nothing
Thanks for replying guys makes sense now. It sucks that things are so sour with just about every major power destabilized due to poor politics. Hopefully I won't get to see another war in my lifetime tho I'm being optimistic.
That is within range of the Phalanx I think?
Guess the saved some money and used bullets instead of a million dollar missile.
Guess the saved some money and used bullets instead of a million dollar missile.
i'd say it's pretty logical, on the contrary.
What would you expect them to do, they cannot sell oil any more, the exceptions are gone thanks to the us idiocy (except sales to china because china does not care).
The regime has no choice, the "power trip" is the only one they have left, what is the alternative ? really, what would you want them to do ? (given that throwing the regime away is not an acceptable answer because, duh, they are the regime).
We already came close with him calling off airstrikes at the last minute. It just depends on how much his advisors (like Bolton) are able to get in his ear, and he's not getting more capable of rational thought as he gets older.
Not that it has anything to do with this particular incident. An unmanned drone starts getting too close, you shoot it down. Easy decision.
Every time I see something like this I am amazed that the US shows such restraint. Especially when it comes to the Russians and Chinese which seem to always be testing how close they can get to US aircraft and ships.
What would it look like if the US didn't show restraint?
I had to Wikipedia that myself when I saw the range. There's no way that's an effective range for shooting down a missle. I'd be impressed as hell
I don't think he was being sarcastic and essentially you're both saying the same thing
No, but I don't want to condone US imperialism either. Keep in mind that regime was a reaction to US meddling in that country.
In a situation like this, does the navy captain need permission to shoot down this drone or is it an automatic response? I am surprised there is even time to ask anyone permission.
They actually took it down with a Polaris 4x4....... really.
-Wapo Reporter was on the Boxer-
500 ft!
Edit: It was 500 yards according to source between the Iranian vessel and the Boxer.
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I would imagine not. Permission would take far too long to get with a aircraft rapidly approaching.
It doesn't matter whether Trump is an isolationist or not. Bolton and Pompeo are there, and they're extremely dangerous and hungry for war.
That's why it will take those two pushing Iran so far into a corner that it wil lash in such a way that the US will have no choice but to respond. Hopefully they never take the bait.
What times we live in when the President of the United States cannot be believed over the government of Iran.
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The US might want to consider releasing some proof because right now this is simply looking like a lie
What's the point of this? Both sides can say whatever they like. Talk is cheap.
If you took 2 seconds to look above, there was a Washington Post reporter on the Boxer during this entire series of events. The reporter then wrote an article detailing this incident as well as multiple other close encounters in this one passage. Do some basic diligence before shouting from the rooftops.
Yes but the USA and particularly this administration are known for lying about literally everything at all times. I find iran far more credible than my own country.
Every time Trump opens his mouth, a lie has followed. I have no reason to believe anything from this administration for the foreseeable future.
Jesus people, read the thread. There were reporters on the damn ship. Two, the military makes these initial reports, not the president. I get the distrust of Trump but some of yall have got to think more rationally than this. Especially over trusting Iran.
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Wasn't what I asked. Plus we have independent reporters confirming.
All Iran did was issue a statement with no evidence, yet that was enough for you to conclude that it looked like the US was lying.
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I've read the WSJ article with the journalist aboard the USS Boxer multiple times now, and unless I'm completely misreading or overlooking it (which could very well be the case because I'm extremely sleepy and have one hell of a headache) it doesn't say anywhere that the reporter witnessed the downing. It says the reporter witnessed the drone (Y-12 surveillance plane as identified by U.S. naval officials) flying close to the ship, with US officials then saying it was downed at around 10am.
So... You think that while a drone did come that close, the shooting down part is the lie?
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Not necessarily, but considering it's the Trump administration we're talking about here I'd sure would like some proof that it was downed.
Is that really the relevant part?
The drone coming that close seems to layman me like a stupidly aggressive move, which I thought was the problem.
And while I would understand why they'd make up the encounter, why lie about how the encounter went?
If you're going to lie about downing it, it's not a stretch to question what else they lied about. Including distance, motivation, ownership and so forth. Apparently things being close to each other over the years is common in that strait, so without some ill intent it may not be a remarkable event at all save for this lie.
I get that Iran has been treated shittily by the US over the nuclear treaty and that there are GOPers who wank off over the thought of bombing them, but it is still an autocratic theocracy. It carries out terror attacks abroad and brutal repression at home. They have their own Comical Ali's with N Korea style fatuous propaganda statements with zero oversight. Remember the fake domestically-developed stealth jet they announced? Rejecting US imperialism does not mean you should embrace Iran's lunacy.
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Another reason why I have a hard time believing this is that Iran obviously would love to make the US look bad (and can you really blame them for that?), having a drone crash into the Strait of Hormuz would be the perfect opportunity to do so.