Vacation time should be combined with sick time
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Same here. I’ve worked places that did exactly that. Combine, give you less, and pretend like they’re doing you a favor. That’s why I thought I’d bring it up.
Just goes to show, what can be crystal clear in your own head, can be unclear to others. I should have said: “Some places they are combined (in the United States). I thought it was clear enough, considering many people in the United States don’t get any sick time.
Just goes to show, what can be crystal clear in your own head, can be unclear to others. I should have said: “Some places they are combined (in the United States). I thought it was clear enough, considering many people in the United States don’t get any sick time.
Nah, sorry but I have to disagree. People already responded with some points but I want to add that you don't have to do 4 star vacations with your whole vacation time. Especially with kids, you can't have enough vacation time. I have 30 paid vacation days which is normal for the public sector in Germany. The private office i worked before i had 26. Friends had 24 in another firm and that sucked for them and they really where unhappy about it. Work is not my whole life and having more time to rest is also better for my work morale. 16 days would be absolutely unacceptable for me.
I get that some countries are different and US is special but nobody here in Germany is debating that 24+ vacation days is too much (24 is mandatory).
I get that some countries are different and US is special but nobody here in Germany is debating that 24+ vacation days is too much (24 is mandatory).
I've worked with both, and I prefer combined. The first place where I had combined PTO, they also had a very generous accrual rate (like 8.1 hours per two weeks--with a full day counting as 7.5 hours--capping at 37x accrual rate and no one questioning usage), plus like 15 set corporate holidays, so I never felt like I didn't have enough.
Meanwhile, at my last job, where they were separate, I hit a situation where I ran out of sick days but couldn't use my bank of vacation days so had to take unpaid time. It was so stupid because the sick day accrual rate was like 4 hours per month.
At my current company, it's combined, with a good-ish accrual rate, but most people usually just opt to work from home when sick, so it's not bad.
I think accrual rate is key to whether the policy is good.
Meanwhile, at my last job, where they were separate, I hit a situation where I ran out of sick days but couldn't use my bank of vacation days so had to take unpaid time. It was so stupid because the sick day accrual rate was like 4 hours per month.
At my current company, it's combined, with a good-ish accrual rate, but most people usually just opt to work from home when sick, so it's not bad.
I think accrual rate is key to whether the policy is good.
Man sorry for that.
Looking at that list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country USA is really a bit of an odd one.
Looking at that list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country USA is really a bit of an odd one.
Of course it is also important to do your job. People at my place are conscientious about their colleagues and no one misses a meeting or deadline. But a random Tuesday with nothing on the calendar? Fuck it, YOLO. If someone not showing up for a day is enough to seriously impact normal operations than it is a very poorly managed business.
What we should be doing is moving towards making 32 hours full time (or even 24 hours). Then vacation time matters less and less. If corporations are going to incist on not paying taxes towards universal basic income, then the only way to avoid even more people living on the streets with automation is to redefine how much work each person needs to do.
What we should be doing is moving towards making 32 hours full time (or even 24 hours). Then vacation time matters less and less. If corporations are going to incist on not paying taxes towards universal basic income, then the only way to avoid even more people living on the streets with automation is to redefine how much work each person needs to do.
I guess I'm just not the one. I purposefully hit 40 hours a week so that I can come in on a saturday and make time and a half. I understand every now and again people need a day off for whatever reason. That's why you earn vacation time. If you need to use your sick leave then I suppose there's no real difference. I still think it's better to have a bunch of paid sick leave banked, but that's just me.
We get 1 floating holiday per quarter but we have to use them by the end of the year or they reset. We get 6 paid holiday days off. Currently, I accrue 12 hours per month of PTO up to a total of I think 24 days. Almost been here for 2 years and it bumps up to 16 hours per month. 5 years is 20 per month.
No sick days, just have to use PTO for that.
No sick days, just have to use PTO for that.
I like my workplace and how they separate them. Basically, I have 4 weeks vacation and unlimited sick leave, though they watch like a hawk for abuse of sick leave. I don't get sick nearly enough and when I do, a Thursday-Sunday sick weekend will likely do the trick. I think most companies would benefit from this set up.
Mine is combined but very generous. We do get 5 specific sick days.
US and software Engineer:
1 week of sick day. Doesn’t roll over and is specifically for sickness.
1 week of take whatever you want(sick, vacation, personal). Doesn’t roll over.
1 week of floating holidays. These don’t roll over.
3 weeks of vacation time yearly. These roll over and accumulate up to 400 hours.
US and software Engineer:
1 week of sick day. Doesn’t roll over and is specifically for sickness.
1 week of take whatever you want(sick, vacation, personal). Doesn’t roll over.
1 week of floating holidays. These don’t roll over.
3 weeks of vacation time yearly. These roll over and accumulate up to 400 hours.
What the fuck is limited sick days?
I get 25 days and unlimited paid sick days. A few years ago I had six weeks off work because I broke my leg, and I still took my 25 vacation days that year as well.
My company also has a policy that if you're sick on one of your vacation days, you can call in so the vacation day doesn't count.
I get 25 days and unlimited paid sick days. A few years ago I had six weeks off work because I broke my leg, and I still took my 25 vacation days that year as well.
My company also has a policy that if you're sick on one of your vacation days, you can call in so the vacation day doesn't count.
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Separate them, I don’t know what to add but having a good track record and not putting a spontaneous sick day on the company leaves them not sure what they’re getting.
Stability and structure are built through consistency and with sick days you kind of create a weak spot. Now you obviously can’t plan sick days or know when you’re getting sick, paid sick days are amazing though.
Separate them, I don’t know what to add but having a good track record and not putting a spontaneous sick day on the company leaves them not sure what they’re getting.
Stability and structure are built through consistency and with sick days you kind of create a weak spot. Now you obviously can’t plan sick days or know when you’re getting sick, paid sick days are amazing though.
Combined into just PTO at my current job and nothing rolls over. PTO also resets on the day we were hired, so my PTO resets in the middle of August. That's nice that I can take a bunch of time off during the summer if i'm good about not wasting PTO during the winter, but it also means I'm more than likely coming into work sick if I can stand it so I don't "waste" my time off.
I get 8 hours of sick leave per month and 13.3 hours annual leave per month (20 days per year) Will get up to 30 days a year after 15 years at the job. Plus I'm generally getting a day of comp time per month, since we don't get overtime pay or paid more than our 40 hour week, but employment laws mandate time and a half for hourly workers doing overtime, so every hour I work over 40 I get an hour and a half of paid vacation time.
