Companies do this because they have to pay out remaining vacation days if you leave, but don't have to pay out sick days.
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Vacation time should be combined with sick time
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We use to have our vacation day and unlimited sick days. Then it changed to combined vacation and sick and sick days (so we got more of a total pool).
One is good for people who are sick a lot and one is better for people who never call out sick. Depends on who you are.
One is good for people who are sick a lot and one is better for people who never call out sick. Depends on who you are.
It's technically separate at my job, but our management and CEO always lets us use one as the other and vice versa. I always get WAAAAAAAAAY more sick time than I actually need, so it gets used as vacation time more than anything.
The US has a thing called "Disability Benefits" which is exactly what you are describing.
Don't know how that would work in the UK.
A year I have:
Holiday
30 days paid holiday + 8 Bank Holidays
Sick
6 Months Full Pay + 6 Months Reduced Pay
5 Days Paid Carers Leave(Looking after the kids)
10 Days Paid Companionate Leave (Death)
10 Days Paid Paternity Leave
I've never be in
A year I have:
Holiday
30 days paid holiday + 8 Bank Holidays
Sick
6 Months Full Pay + 6 Months Reduced Pay
5 Days Paid Carers Leave(Looking after the kids)
10 Days Paid Companionate Leave (Death)
10 Days Paid Paternity Leave
I've never be in
This is weird. So you get an amount of "Sick Days" that's basically a given you should take (or you're losing out) and you have separate holidays. So people basically count sick days in with their allowance of holidays when you think about it...
America is a fucking mental place.
How about you get a full roster of vacation days to take that's equal to what you get now in total including the sick days... Annnnd when you're actually sick you take a proper sick day which is paid for anyway up to a reasonable limit and with a doctor's sign off.
America is a fucking mental place.
How about you get a full roster of vacation days to take that's equal to what you get now in total including the sick days... Annnnd when you're actually sick you take a proper sick day which is paid for anyway up to a reasonable limit and with a doctor's sign off.
My days are split between Vacation, Sick and Personal days. Unused Sick and Personal days are paid out at the end of the year while Vacation days carry over. Kind of shitty, but better than some other places I guess. US could definitely use a massive culture change on that front.
27 days of PTO per year here, and technically unlimited paid sick days, in the UK. "Technically" in the sense that there's no limit on them, but if I was sick for an extended period of time, I'd probably have to have a meeting with HR about why. But I've had up to 10 days sick in previous years and nothing has ever been said to me.
Fucking mad to me that sick days are "counted" at all. If you're sick, you're sick. Sure, in theory, that could be abused, but work still needs to get done sooner or later, so it doesn't really happen.
Fucking mad to me that sick days are "counted" at all. If you're sick, you're sick. Sure, in theory, that could be abused, but work still needs to get done sooner or later, so it doesn't really happen.
My company used to have separate Vacation days, Sick days and family leave days (gotta take your kid to the doc, use this day).
Now they combine them all into one lump sum. They're all PTO (paid time off) days. Call in sick, use PTO. Go on vacation, use PTO.
As someone who rarely got sick and always had a ton of sick days (and eventually used them...because why not) I like the all or nothing option better.
Now they combine them all into one lump sum. They're all PTO (paid time off) days. Call in sick, use PTO. Go on vacation, use PTO.
As someone who rarely got sick and always had a ton of sick days (and eventually used them...because why not) I like the all or nothing option better.
They're combined where I work. It was great until they started getting pissy when anyone'd take time off that wasn't a vacation planned weeks in advance.
Lowe's schedules your fridge delivery on a Wednesday afternoon? "Can you please schedule these things on weekends going forward." Then why have PTO?
Lowe's schedules your fridge delivery on a Wednesday afternoon? "Can you please schedule these things on weekends going forward." Then why have PTO?
Yeah, no, you can't do this, because then you get jabronies coming in when they're sick because they want to save the sick days for vacation days. GTFO with that.
The problem with this is that most companies will give you less days per year that you would normally have if you added together your sick days and your vacation days. Also you have to not touch a portion of your PTO days in case you get sick towards the end of the year.
So you still want separate sick days with more total than what you're already getting.
Not by law, in the US it's up to the employer whether to offer paid time off for holidays or not, unless the employer is the government. And if they make you work the holiday they aren't required to pay you any more than your normal pay. Admittedly, many companies would have a hard time employing people if they didn't recognize *any* holiday, but every company I've worked for has recognized different holidays for paid time off.
Right now I'm in a bad position where I work *for* a company that only has like 6 holidays per year, but that company contracts me out to work *at* a company that has a whole ton. When the company I work at is closed when the company I work for isn't, I am forced to take a paid vacation day or just not get paid. Because of that I'm currently sitting at -40 vacation hours :) If I ever leave the company, I have to pay those back.
I think combining could be good if it were coming from a place of good faith, but inevitably there would be cutbacks and excuses about being competitive and then there's 5 days total for sick and vacation time.
It kind of sucks having unused leave. I've racked up 18 sick days in a couple years. And that's with a decent chunk of usage this year due to a long illness. It would be nice to just take a week off without burning all of my vacation days.
My work place pays out 10 days of vacation if you leave and have it. Extra sick days get put into retirement at some predefined benefit rate (x days = 1 month of contributions credit) if you're vested. To me this seems more than reasonable.
It kind of sucks having unused leave. I've racked up 18 sick days in a couple years. And that's with a decent chunk of usage this year due to a long illness. It would be nice to just take a week off without burning all of my vacation days.
My work place pays out 10 days of vacation if you leave and have it. Extra sick days get put into retirement at some predefined benefit rate (x days = 1 month of contributions credit) if you're vested. To me this seems more than reasonable.
Yeah...well I keep getting surprised.
Over here if you get sick during your vacation days you can call in sick and those days won't get used up.
I hated this. I travel a lot and use all my vacation days every year. At my first job I got a nast case of tonsilitius and missed 7 days a work, which was half of my vacation. the thing was we didn't actually get more, the number was still like 15-16 days. If it had doubled like your job I'd be more inclined to agree.
It is worth pointing out that if you work for a company that doesn't offer paid holidays typically they pay you an additional rate on those days.
Plenty of countries have sick day policies.
Combining them is often a way for employers to fuck you out of time AND it puts your vacations in jeopardy if you have an illness.
At my old job we had separate sick and vacation time. They moved to a single PTO system and fucked everyone out of their accrued sick leave.
I lost nearly 500 hours of banked sick time that went into an essentially inaccessible "backup account" and found myself entering a new year with 48 hours of total time instead of 490 some hours of sick time and two days of vacation. It's bullshit.
Keeping them separate protects you. If you don't get sick enough to use your sick time, why are you even complaining?
At my old job we had separate sick and vacation time. They moved to a single PTO system and fucked everyone out of their accrued sick leave.
I lost nearly 500 hours of banked sick time that went into an essentially inaccessible "backup account" and found myself entering a new year with 48 hours of total time instead of 490 some hours of sick time and two days of vacation. It's bullshit.
Keeping them separate protects you. If you don't get sick enough to use your sick time, why are you even complaining?
From a policy standpoint, it's hard to track and document abuse with unlimited sick though.
That isn't true. That's up to companies generally speaking. There may be certain states our countries where that is true, but every company I worked for got rid of this policy pretty fast.
I would hate to get sick and find out I've lost all my holiday time.
I would hate to go on holiday only to get sick and not have any paid sick leave.
I would hate to go on holiday only to get sick and not have any paid sick leave.
I've been lucky to have cool bosses that let me use sick time for any reason ranging from appointments, days to rest, errands, car repairs, whatever.
For me the only real differentiation is that Vacation should be pre-planned ahead of time while sick can be used at the last minute. While there are two separate buckets (25 vacation and about 8 sick) in practical use they're closely connected.
For me the only real differentiation is that Vacation should be pre-planned ahead of time while sick can be used at the last minute. While there are two separate buckets (25 vacation and about 8 sick) in practical use they're closely connected.
Arizona law changed recently and my work had to separate them and applied the policy to people working in other states which sucks because it leaves us with less options overall. Having them combined encourages people to use their pto throughout the year rather than saving it all for the end of December. It sucks feeling like that time goes wasted because I was healthy. If I'm going to be sick, I'm taking that time off no matter what, whether I'm getting paid for it or not.
Yeah, exactly. I've managed one or two people who abused unlimited sick days. We had a soft cap at 25 days and then we had to track them individually after that. Just not worth the administrative work.
But they don't have to if they don't want, it's not law, just how it works because it's harder to find employees when you don't offer paid holidays or at least holiday pay.
I have 29 vacation days, and by law if i get sick they need to give me another day off. So fuck no. I dont want them combined.
In my job its common that you get sick in time for your vacation, then you cant do what you planned and cant use to recover from work stress but instead need to recover from sickness. That would suck.
2 years ago i had 2 days with really bad migraine, hell i will do and give away my precious vacation.
In my job its common that you get sick in time for your vacation, then you cant do what you planned and cant use to recover from work stress but instead need to recover from sickness. That would suck.
2 years ago i had 2 days with really bad migraine, hell i will do and give away my precious vacation.
This is how it's been everywhere I've worked. Honestly, it's hard enough keeping morons from coming into work sick— when they should be using their accrued sick time— and risk getting the rest of us ill. Combining sick time with vacation time, let alone a policy that pays you out for unused sick time, would only exacerbate the issue as it now gives additional financial incentive to not stay home/see a doctor and take care of yourself.
Paid sick days are at the discretion of the company in Canada. We have 3 paid at my work, and the rest would be unpaid.