Where? When it comes to PC gaming, they pretty much have that shit nailed down tight.
Valve requesting sexual content be censored in Steam games, or they'll be removed
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Hey hey! Kuro is cute okay! I didnt say he is that type of person. Ive watched Illya myself. Which made me uncomfortable many times but I learned to skip these scenes. But you are right. I didnt wanted to call him out for anything.going beyond him, is not like antagonizing/ judging/ brushing off people for their avatars is not problem, specially during this type or arguments, like
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Who defends whom? I'm against both of sides, lol.
I wasnt talking about game characters (or at least i dont know examples), so it was only for that subdiscussion about human looks.
About unfair stigmitizing/stamping
Well Huniepop probably fits the certain bodily fluids leaking out of certain human orifices bill, so that’s probably a red flag.
Anyways, This isn’t the hill I think Valve should die on. Section the porn games off or prevent them from making the front page every time a new one is released or something, the daily flood of asset flips seem more detrimental to their store to me. At least some of these games are well made with actual effort put into them.
Valve behaving like this is downright pathetic.
Just create an adult 18+ section FFS.
Complete control like this really rubs me the wrong way.
Its somehow acceptable to sell violent Call Of Duty type killing spree games or some other mindless horror/gore fest. Hell even Hatred got the green light but tits in a game. C'mon now. Better censor the spittter in L4D2 then Valve! Might offend someone.
Just create an adult 18+ section FFS.
Complete control like this really rubs me the wrong way.
Its somehow acceptable to sell violent Call Of Duty type killing spree games or some other mindless horror/gore fest. Hell even Hatred got the green light but tits in a game. C'mon now. Better censor the spittter in L4D2 then Valve! Might offend someone.
Eating and drinking is actually a perfect analogy, you know how games rarely depict video game characters genuinely sitting down to eat and drink? Like, so very rarely that a scene of two characters sitting down on a couch having dinner and talking about their day:
is something worthy of multiplearticles singing it's praises despite a scene like that being so very typical and normalized in every other medium for storytelling. Video games handle genuine depictions of sexuality, worse than they do eating and drinking, so much so that one of best examples of sexuality has a literal narration explaining the purpose:
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Are you kidding me? Jack a car- get a nice car to drive recklessly in. Kill a civilian, collect the money she was carrying. Hell the entire law enforcement system rewards you for violence by giving you more dynamic and intense action scenarios. Positive reinforcement for random violence is core to the gameplay loop. Not to mention many of the “faceless goons” you’ll encounter while progressing through the campaign are law enforcement personnel and military (who provide you with some of the best vehicles and weapons in the game upon murdering them - which again encourages you to summon them)
This comment is hilariously out of touch. People often boot up GTA for the sole purpose of getting into 5 star chases and seeing how long they last. These are some of the most fun, dynamic moments the game provides - by design.
Of course it’s dependent on the player. But the game is designed to encourage the player to commit random crimes. What reward you get in GTA for living lawfully?Again, this is all literally dependent on the player themselves. In the moments where violence is literally forced upon you, there's context provided. And no, you can't carjack grandma, blow her brains out, and continue on like nothing happened, if you do that someone calls the police, if you resist more police show up and kill you. The game acknowledges the context of "the player is currently committing a crime." There are literal memes about the aggressiveness of the police:
Again, this is hilariously out of touch. You murder grandma and take her car, you get one star- two if a cop sees it. They’ll forget about it after a 60s chase - a chase which Is also designed to be rewarding not a deterrent.
This notion that rockstar uses police to dissuade criminal acts is just wrong. The fun is derived not only from these criminal acts, but NPC responses to these acts. Rockstar designed every system in the game to positively reinforce criminal behavior.
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I know, but their ratings are hard on erotic content too.
A few days ago I watched some video from CensoredGaming showing how some trophies from Smash U and character models are censored in the Japanese version.
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I mean, there's something to be said of certain particularly weird kinds of porn / erotica coming from Japan. That whole "genre" of 'woman frozen in time getting fondled and basically raped' by one or multiple men seems to be exclusively a japanese thing.
Like, i don't really watch Japanese porn all that much (if at all) but the stuff i encountered, more often than not, had the female performer seems to be instructed to act as reluctant as possible.
So imho it would be somewhat dishonest to claim it's racist / an unfair stereotype to say that erotica (be it drawn or filmed) coming from Japan can be somewhat problematic. Or that the Japanese have a perfectly healthy relationship to (underage) sexuality - but that's obviously not what this thread is about.
lol damn.
I'm surprised it took this long.
Something big must be happening with all these changes , the new site, etc.
HALF-LIFE 3 boys! Its coming (I'd prefer Portal 3 or L4D3 actually though since I didnt like Half-Life 1 that much and havent played half-life 2).
Kinda strange that Nekopara got hit, sure they had references in the form of text/dialogue to the main character having a intimate relationship with the girls but didnt show any sexual content unless they are referring to either the ability to mod in the h-scenes via a patch or the jigglying achievement where you can shake the screen to uhh jiggle the female characters.
I guess references like that are actually being hit by this, surprised it took them this long.
Will be interesting to see how the market (well developers/pubs who push these games) react, maybe we'll see a dedicated store for these games in their own client or the devs/pubs will release the game via game clients kinda like some of those japanese VN games?
I'm surprised it took this long.
Something big must be happening with all these changes , the new site, etc.
HALF-LIFE 3 boys! Its coming (I'd prefer Portal 3 or L4D3 actually though since I didnt like Half-Life 1 that much and havent played half-life 2).
Kinda strange that Nekopara got hit, sure they had references in the form of text/dialogue to the main character having a intimate relationship with the girls but didnt show any sexual content unless they are referring to either the ability to mod in the h-scenes via a patch or the jigglying achievement where you can shake the screen to uhh jiggle the female characters.
I guess references like that are actually being hit by this, surprised it took them this long.
Will be interesting to see how the market (well developers/pubs who push these games) react, maybe we'll see a dedicated store for these games in their own client or the devs/pubs will release the game via game clients kinda like some of those japanese VN games?
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So is it just stuff that explicitly shows sex(or close to it) or is stuff like Senran Kagura affected too?
I get what you're saying. I still enjoy violent games but I'm getting to the point where it's just the default way of interacting with game worlds, and I am becoming far more interested in moments between combat or in games where violence is rare or non-present.
That's why it irritates me when the most I see it brought up is as a whataboutism for another issue, as if it's impossible to care about both. It's disrespectful of the topic at hand and degrades the discussion about violence in videogames to nothing more than mindless deflection. It contributes nothing to discussion other than to make someone feel better about giving a certain type of content a free pass, because apparently critical analysis and self-reflection about things you enjoy (in general, not you specifically) is scary.
Sorry if that came across as a self-righteous rant, I needed to get that off my chest.
Again, I will reiterate before I get another broad brush that calls me a paedophile apologist for expressing my displeasure with how Steam is woefully unclear on their AO policy.
I don't care that they're removing games with questionable content that depicts minors in sexualised situations, that is up to Steam and it's fine for them to get rid of it, while they're at it they can axe the weird Trump and Islamaphobic games too.
What is bad is how Steam has no actual concrete policy outline that dictates what is allowed on their platform or not. It all depends on whoever is reviewing content at the time and as a result, what is permissible often changes leaving some developers who do make questionable games with no avenue on how to proceed. This is still their livelihood and they want as much exposure as they can so they'll adhere to whatever rules Steam sets out, except they don't set out rules (at least nothing publicly visible). I don't think people need reminding that Huniepop and the like were greatly advertised on Steam just a few months ago, they've been allowed on the platform for years, a sudden change like this requires some explanation if only so the developers of the games have some idea of what is okay to create on the Steam platform.
I don't care that they're removing games with questionable content that depicts minors in sexualised situations, that is up to Steam and it's fine for them to get rid of it, while they're at it they can axe the weird Trump and Islamaphobic games too.
What is bad is how Steam has no actual concrete policy outline that dictates what is allowed on their platform or not. It all depends on whoever is reviewing content at the time and as a result, what is permissible often changes leaving some developers who do make questionable games with no avenue on how to proceed. This is still their livelihood and they want as much exposure as they can so they'll adhere to whatever rules Steam sets out, except they don't set out rules (at least nothing publicly visible). I don't think people need reminding that Huniepop and the like were greatly advertised on Steam just a few months ago, they've been allowed on the platform for years, a sudden change like this requires some explanation if only so the developers of the games have some idea of what is okay to create on the Steam platform.
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Humble, Uplay, Origin, Battle.net, Humble, GOG, Green Man Gaming, Amazon, Fanatical, Nuuvem.
Off the top of my head.
Or they could do direct sales. Or they could sell physical copies at a wide variety of retailers.
This. The whole "LOL @ police overreaction" is actually designed to encourage players to perform what are basically acts of wanton mass murder in order to elicit 'amusingly' over-the-top responses from the game's NPC code.
if you take a look at the games being affected and witcher3/gta 5 you should see there's a certain theme going on, why Valve hasn't pointed it out is another thing tho. Valve tracking down on "questionable" sexual content would be more accurate in this case.
Just like with paid mods gabe is gonna get spammed with emails about it until he finally makes a reddit post acknowledging that his company is doing something to stir up negative PR.
I would understand if it was targeting the ones where the sexual explict content featured minors or individuals that looks like minors, but a brief ook at the anime, furry, pirate game(not judging, but that's an incredibly specific fetish), it seems like all the characters are adults and look like it. So I have to wonder what exactly is the issue here. Is Gaben secretly a prude or is there some financial motivation that would cause them to suddenly care about curation?
No. Japanese games censor nudity way more than western games. Literally every western game with nudity is censored in Japan.
I think thats why they have more risky costumes, because thats the most they can do, but its just my opinion.
Absolutely - while the "what" is a matter of debate, i don't think anyone would debate you on the "how" being kinda shitty (Valve changing policies on short notice, and rather intransparently, when before these devs were explicitly told the content they produce is fine).
But once again - this is eerily similar to Youtube cutting off content creators from their ad revenue for no apparent (or at least transparent) reason. When you sell your soul to the devil (Valve, Youtube) because you want to use their distribution platform and their audience, and you're putting all your eggs in one basket, you're always at the risk of losing it all.
There are no contracts / no protection laws that prevent Valve from changing their policies. You're kinda building your house on someone else's land, with only informal affirmations that they won't have you evicted (...right now).
Or you can buy cars with money from you bank account.
Or you can do jobs which give you WAY more money than the 50-150 dollars a civilian is carrying.
This implies that being shot at and chased down is super fun in and of itself, like I said, it's a very clear deterrent, as although the game absolutely glorifies violence, the player character is as soft of a marshmallow, especially without a bullet proof vest, hell even shooting outside of the car is incredibly cumbersome.
The faceless goons are where the game contextualizes it's violence. And prove the pointless less of doing stuff like randomly shooting civilians or robbing stores.
People CAN do that, not everyone, CAN is the key word.
A relaxing experience, you think they put in those shit ton of non violent activities, (that also level up the player btw), for shits and giggles? GTA is what you make of it. Not everyone loads it up just to play as Trevor. Is it yet another example of violence in a video game being discouraged where the majority of the interaction of the game's stories are violence? Yes, does the game ever MAKE you shoot civilians, rob stores and shoot the owner, steal an old lady's car? No.
At least Genital Jousting is safe because... reasons?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/469820/Genital_Jousting/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/469820/Genital_Jousting/
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yes, but the question is whether the removal of all this ( the 2D stuff specifically ) in itself puts real minors at risk of abuse. If 2D stuff is the thing that keeps them from going after real children, how do we actively prevent that from happening?
Ideally I'd like there to be studies made on the subject that, among other things, studies whether animated porn is a gateway to something worse or if the animation in itself keeps their twisted, disgusting fantasies from becoming real.
This is going above and beyond the realms of video games though.
I can't speak for everyone but I don't think people are saying that no one care about both.
But Valve sure as hell doesn't, Valve still being the topic at hand here.
Okay, so apart from that one censored Destructoid image I dug up, yeah.... https://www.reddit.com/r/yuri/comments/5x07jc/spoilers_kindred_spirits_on_the_roof_kissingsex/
NSFW. If those are 15 year olds it's time to stop the "but the rest of the game just handles relationships and discussing teenage life".
You can do that without illustrating the graphic sexual content of minors.
NSFW. If those are 15 year olds it's time to stop the "but the rest of the game just handles relationships and discussing teenage life".
You can do that without illustrating the graphic sexual content of minors.
This is the first time I've seen someone not understand the appeal of GTA, I didn't even think that was possible. The police in GTA is supposed to disincentivize violence?
Is this a real argument a real person made?
How the fuck could you grow up playing videogames with your friends and actually think that is true. GTA to children and teenagers consisted entirely of fucking up as much shit as possible, so you could get all of the sweet military and police vehicles and weapons, in order to fuck up even more shit. The main missions might as well not have existed at all, it was all about the rampage.
Is this a real argument a real person made?
How the fuck could you grow up playing videogames with your friends and actually think that is true. GTA to children and teenagers consisted entirely of fucking up as much shit as possible, so you could get all of the sweet military and police vehicles and weapons, in order to fuck up even more shit. The main missions might as well not have existed at all, it was all about the rampage.
Wait that game is being affected too? I’ve seen it before and all the characters look adult. Is it just because it’s a fetish game?
If so I don’t just think it’s sexulized characters that look young. Valve should really release a statement explaining just what it’s targeting here.
Regardless of what you think of sexual content in games or anime or any of this stuff it still sucks that small developers are being pushed around and having to remove content from their games that a lot of the time are the selling points. And it was just as shitty as when Patreon tried to bully people on their service for *daring* to try to make a living off erotic art.
And yeah, its their service but you know what it makes them look like fucking assholes. This is especially aggravating as again it'll only be the small developers that get hit here. This is more than just crying about anime tiddies this is about Valve bending developers to their will so they can fucking even sell their product. And yes, there are other games in town when it comes to digital distribution but Steam matters because the most eyeballs are on steam.
And yeah, its their service but you know what it makes them look like fucking assholes. This is especially aggravating as again it'll only be the small developers that get hit here. This is more than just crying about anime tiddies this is about Valve bending developers to their will so they can fucking even sell their product. And yes, there are other games in town when it comes to digital distribution but Steam matters because the most eyeballs are on steam.
Depictions of minors in sexual situations should be forcefully removed, no exceptions no matter how big the game or publisher is.
But adults in a mature rated title? I don’t get why. If that happens we’ll suddenly see The Witcher series go GOG exclusive, CDPR ain’t never gonna censor their games.
Sidenote - I got a drawing removed from Instagram for showing a girl in tight shorts, no nudity, just curves, had to put up a censor bar over her butt to get it shown in any tags :P There is some serious asexualization going on right now. I bet my whole country would get banned by Valve and Instagram/Facebook if they saw what girls are proudly wearing now when the summer is finally here. :P
But adults in a mature rated title? I don’t get why. If that happens we’ll suddenly see The Witcher series go GOG exclusive, CDPR ain’t never gonna censor their games.
Sidenote - I got a drawing removed from Instagram for showing a girl in tight shorts, no nudity, just curves, had to put up a censor bar over her butt to get it shown in any tags :P There is some serious asexualization going on right now. I bet my whole country would get banned by Valve and Instagram/Facebook if they saw what girls are proudly wearing now when the summer is finally here. :P
Couple of reasons I can think of. A penis is generally not what people think 'sexualized content' is, compared to showing anime girls in nudity or engaging in sex. Game wasn't designed to arouse people in the first place based on what I see, maybe I'm wrong, it looks like a silly, tongue in cheek game.
Ok, setting aside my issues with whataboutism, my opinion of the immediate topic at hand is that Valve is not obligated to sell a given game, and it is within their rights to stop selling a game at their discretion.
However I don't approve of the short notice they've given people or the lack of transparency in this decision, especially since it has led to the assumption that this is about sexual content as a whole to which people are crying foul about which games are/aren't included.
What would clear this up entirely would be a public statement about what sort of content they are allowing from now on. The only issue is that if this is about certain types of questionable sexual content (as some have suspected), then they may not want to do this as it would highlight the presence of such material on their platform in the first place. They'd want it gone quickly and quietly. Why the sudden change of heart is anyone's guess.
They exist to punish the player engaging in it. Imagine a world GTAV didn't have a police system. Even look at how they advertise GTAV:
You think they spend more than 15 seconds tops showing players fleeing from police if that was the main appeal. Yes it's a game about violence, but is that the only interaction with the game? No. The systemic nature of GTA is the appeal, you get a huge world, with a ton of shit to see and do, many of which have nothing to do with violence, and if you engage with that, the game isn't going to ignore it. A police system in and of itself even provides context.
Its possibly mainly due to the age of the characters being affected or how their design is like. Seems like majority affected are Japanese/anime like games with characters that look like underage.
I dont think any of that is in Witcher 3 or GTA5.
GTA discourage violence, that's sure is the reason why it's million seller. i can't even
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