Valve requesting sexual content be censored in Steam games, or they'll be removed

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In the past 1-2 years the STEAM marketplace was flooded with all these perverted games and the curation makes sure you run into them somehow which is quite annoying. I don't have to worry about this on other stores, so I welcome this change. It puts them in line with Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft.
The actual solution would ve having better filters so you're never offered that type of stuff in the first place, but last I checked the only way you could hide anything was with third party extensions
 

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Surprised by the comments about how underage looking anime characters are wrog no matter their given age, but porn is right no matter how young the actresses look. Like, wtf?

You don't even need to search too much to find legal porn content that ranges from disturbing to disgusting, with young looking actresses acting like underage girls (sometimes pre-teen, even) There's a whole legal sub-industry around it. How the fuck is that fine?

Now, if some of the retired games have clear underage content (underage looking girls acting like underage girls) that's a good move, but the move in general to me feels completely backwards.
To legally act in porn you must be 18 (some places might even be 21). Some games straight up have minors in them, by age.
 

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why are people still going on about loli when one of the affected games has conspicuously large-breasted women and has no explicit material and received express approval from valve

are people even reading the thread and relevant tweets
 

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Exactly, they are not targeting all anime games like some people are trying to say here.
no they're not but they're being really inconsistent with which ones they are targeting which just makes this an even worse problem because what is the change to their policy that they're suddenly enforcing? no one seems to know for sure and even publishers aren't getting answers from Valve

why are people still going on about loli when one of the affected games has conspicuously large-breasted women and received explicit approval from valve

are people even reading the thread and relevant tweets
probably not, there seems to be a strong trend of "stop liking what I don't like" in some of the posts honestly
 

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Censoring is generally stupid BUT if the aim is to restrain games like someone else posted a screenshot of where you play/watch a girl who looks like child but is 384 years old then I'm all for this kind of censorship.
 

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Exactly, they are not targeting all anime games like some people are trying to say here.
why are people still going on about loli when one of the affected games has conspicuously large-breasted women and has no explicit material and received express approval from valve

are people even reading the thread and relevant tweets
Mmmm... I'm trying to find an explanation that also takes into account Kindred Spirits being hit, and it seems like "these titles could be found and played by children because they look like cartoons" is the closest yet. Because, really, the age-gating on Steam sucks hard, and wouldn't prevent a kid from seeing something they shouldn't.
 

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In my country, anime with sexual content is considered child porn. If Valve is being pressured into following a law like that (or simply think along the same lines), the games being targeted make sense.

Good riddance.
 

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Again, adult women in Anime tend to have larger body builds, I don’t mean just their breasts but stuff like their body frame and even something as simple as Longer hair.
So you agree then? If we have to fall back to something like "longer hair" it shows how hard it is to see a real difference. Doubly so for people outside of anime/manga consumers.

We all know there're ways to enhance these differences but the recent style used in most animes make even 30 year olds look as 16 year olds. In the 90s this wasn't a big problem.
 

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Surprised by the comments about how underage looking anime characters are wrog no matter their given age, but porn is right no matter how young the actresses look. Like, wtf?

You don't even need to search too much to find legal porn content that ranges from disturbing to disgusting, with young looking actresses acting like underage girls (sometimes pre-teen, even) There's a whole legal sub-industry around it. How the fuck is that fine?
Uh... Because people are talking about things that are on steam not pornhub
 

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Valve, you've only ever gotten away with anything because of the appearance that you do nothing.

If you give up that aegis, people are going to expect you to stop being shit. We both know you have neither the capacity nor the intent.
 

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Most people will agree. Yet most of them will only be on the frontline to ban anime-related stuff and won't bother complaining about the fact that this is global trend for quite some time now, such as models following strict diets to look as young as possible as long as possible, and being heavily photoshopped on top of that.

I don't disagree with you. I just hate double standards.
I mean, I dislike and complain about that too, but we are in a gaming forum discussing videogames.

Whataboutism doesn't take us anywhere.
 

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So you agree then? If we have to fall back to something like "longer hair" it shows how hard it is to see a real difference. Doubly so for people outside of anime/manga consumers.

We all know there're ways to enhance these differences but the recent style used in most animes make even 30 year olds look as 16 year olds. In the 90s this wasn't a big problem.
I literally said larger body builds... twice...
 
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why are people still going on about loli when one of the affected games has conspicuously large-breasted women and has no explicit material and received express approval from valve

are people even reading the thread and relevant tweets
I'd like to add that there's been absolutely no mention of underage sexualization being a reason for the removal of games or their content.

So this is all speculation based on the fact a lot of the targeted games we're talking about have an anime arstyle or anime inspired cartoon artstyle.
 

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These threads always turn into the subject of shota/loli. Always.
Like there's an axe to grind. I think I have a little bit of my own for this subject.

It's a miracle I'm not permabanned yet. I should probably check out for at least a few hours to play a video game or something, lest I tempt fate yet again.
Your persecution complex is not actually an argument. Nobody argued against banning you for your avatar.

However, that you cannot distinguish between porn of children and porn involving adults is deeply concerning.
It is possible to portray young characters without hypersexualizing them. It is possible to portray women without portraying them as children.

That you cannot even see the possibility of that is seriously the most concerning thing of all. I have watched anime for ages now, and played anime-style games for a similarly long amount of time. Oddly, in older anime, this was not a general problem. It was easy to tell what character was adult and what character wasn't. This means that it is a conscious choice to portray female characters as hypersexualized children. It is not a natural law that forces all anime art to be that way. No artist has to do it. The style works just fine if you don't do it.

In fact, not doing so all the time would be generally better, because you'd have some variety for a change.
 

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Mmmm... I'm trying to find an explanation that also takes into account Kindred Spirits being hit, and it seems like "these titles could be found and played by children because they look like cartoons" is the closest yet. Because, really, the age-gating on Steam sucks hard, and wouldn't prevent a kid from seeing something they shouldn't.
Seems to have a 15 year old character http://yuripedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hina_Komano

Game is also rated M for sexual content, so there must be some sort of content in it of a sexual nature. 15 is below the age of consent in many countries.

edit: Uhhh https://www.destructoid.com/win-a-free-copy-of-that-sexy-lesbian-ghost-game-338279.phtml <- So is that the 15 year old character?
 
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Valve, you've only ever gotten away with anything because of the appearance that you do nothing.

If you give up that aegis, people are going to expect you to stop being shit. We both know you have neither the capacity nor the intent.
This. If they suddenly go "We can actually police our content", then obviously the response would be "Well why the fuck don't you?". Of course, the answer is "Because we have all the money and don't give a shit except when we do", but that's not really acceptable from an online marketplace that's something like 70% of the entire digital games market.
 

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I mean, I dislike and complain about that too, but we are in a gaming forum discussing videogames.

Whataboutism doesn't take us anywhere.
I agree. My post was just meant as a general reminder that this problem goes way beyond stuff like the current Moe trend.
 

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I see the "b-but violence is fine and just tits aren't" talking points are out in full force. Pretty fucking transparent.
 

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Isn't it a bit late though, Steam has a lot of these games up for years, why was Gabe suddenly like "Maybe Steam shouldn't have this content"
 
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Welp, Sayori's cashcow had to end some day. Nekopara was her big break.

But yeah, I'm not really cool with this.

I just don't care about the things they added, she looks like a minor, end of the story.
You can put all the description you want but no, you won't change the visual design of the subject.
I legit don't see it. She looks late teens/early 20s to me.
 

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I don't understand the argument coming from the "but violence is ok" commentators

Is violence not ok? Are you arguing that should be banned as well?
People who go "bUT Waht abOuT vioLEnCe in vIdeO GamEs" don't actually care about violence in video games and I guarantee if you wanted to have a genuine discussion about violence in video games they would most likely default to saying it's a video game don't take it seriously ugh why are people putting politics in muh games. It's the most blatant whataboutism possible, like the video game equivalent of saying "But what about starving children in Africa."
 
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I know we all joked and had fun when Shinobi Refle was first revealed but whats gonna be the general reaction for outlets and Era when it comes to the US this summer? We just wont talk about it?

Cause im probably gonna buy it as are many people here. And it features characters who are like 15 or 16 years old despite the US localizations hiding their age.
Shinobi Refle is banned here.
 
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Seems to have a 15 year old character http://yuripedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hina_Komano

Game is also rated M for sexual content, so there must be some sort of content in it of a sexual nature. 15 is below the age of consent in many countries.

edit: Uhhh https://www.destructoid.com/win-a-free-copy-of-that-sexy-lesbian-ghost-game-338279.phtml <- So is that the 15 year old character?

15 years old
M rating

And people are asking why are they banning these games lol
 

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People who go "bUT Waht abOuT vioLEnCe in vIdeO GamEs" don't actually care about violence in video games. It's the most blatant whataboutism possible.
In my case, I personally don't care for extreme violence (I find the latest Mortal Kombat games more squicky than the vast majority of porn out there) nor am I interested in a reduction of it in general, I'm just more annoyed at the ridiculous double standard involved with violence and sex.
 

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someone with more money and know how than me should get this as an opportunity and just open an alternative store for all those games that valve is censoring..i mean,the user base is there.
This is what I want. I think japanese DMM should make an international storefront. So many stuff is geoblocked and R18 (the overseas service) isn’t that great, there a lot of missing content.
 

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And people are asking why are they banning these games lol
http://blog.mangagamer.org/2018/05/18/regarding-recent-inquires-into-steam-content-policy-notices/

"We went to great pains to run the game’s content by Valve representatives––including sending along every potentially questionable graphical asset along with advanced builds of the title––to ensure that that feeling was mutual. The game would have never appeared on the platform if we had not confirmed with Valve representatives that they did not feel the content was pornographic and was appropriate for the platform."


Valve literally sat down and played through the game before allowing it on their store
 

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Surprised by the comments about how underage looking anime characters are wrog no matter their given age, but porn is right no matter how young the actresses look. Like, wtf?

You don't even need to search too much to find legal porn content that ranges from disturbing to disgusting, with young looking actresses acting like underage girls (sometimes pre-teen, even) There's a whole legal sub-industry around it. How the fuck is that fine?

Now, if some of the retired games have clear underage content (underage looking girls acting like underage girls) that's a good move, but the move in general to me feels completely backwards.
Wait, why are we talking about Porn?

You think Porn and games are the same thing? Better yet, does Steam have porn?

To kindly counter your argument, adding a number to reality doesn't change reality. You can dress an 80 yr old as a schoolgirl and call her 14 doesn't change that she's 80. Similarly, you can design a 14 year old and call her 21 doesn't change the fact that she was designed to be a 14 year old.

Bleh. Valve is right here. Either work along or move your games elsewhere.
 

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All of that visual novel anime otaku hentai shit is cluttering the store is a big reason I got tired of steam and PC gaming. So much low quality shit displayed every time you open it up. If this cracks down on that, I don’t see an issue with it.
 

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What someone jerks off to probably says a whole lot more about a person than playing violent games does, psychologically.
Pushing buttons on a controller is also a hell of a lot more detached from the act than masturbation over something so the only reason seems to be a fallacy involving some imagined inequality regarding censorship.
 
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http://blog.mangagamer.org/2018/05/18/regarding-recent-inquires-into-steam-content-policy-notices/

"We went to great pains to run the game’s content by Valve representatives––including sending along every potentially questionable graphical asset along with advanced builds of the title––to ensure that that feeling was mutual. The game would have never appeared on the platform if we had not confirmed with Valve representatives that they did not feel the content was pornographic and was appropriate for the platform."

That was Valve mistake of course, but this doesn't mean having a M rated game with a 15y old character is right.
 

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I think this is more of a problem with modern anime in general than these games. Everyone looks so young in everything now. I don't really remember this being a thing before a few years ago. I'm sure this general style will change eventually though.
I've been watching anime since the early 2000s, and this was already a thing back then to be honest.

Again, adult women in Anime tend to have larger body builds, I don’t mean just their breasts but stuff like their body frame and even something as simple as Longer hair.
That might be true for "mature" women, like characters that are supposed to be mothers, but there's often not much difference in artstyle between a 16 and a 22 years old character for example, be they male or female. Sometimes the guys will get some facial hair to show that they're older, but that's about it.

And really, "longer hair" as a way to show that they're older? C'mon, that's a rather poor argument. There are tons of long haired underaged characters in mangas, animes and games.
 

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http://blog.mangagamer.org/2018/05/18/regarding-recent-inquires-into-steam-content-policy-notices/

"We went to great pains to run the game’s content by Valve representatives––including sending along every potentially questionable graphical asset along with advanced builds of the title––to ensure that that feeling was mutual. The game would have never appeared on the platform if we had not confirmed with Valve representatives that they did not feel the content was pornographic and was appropriate for the platform."
A crackdown on the acceptance of the sexualizing of minors has been focussed on the last few years in many countries. Just because Valve allowed it at one point, doesn't mean they always will.

The game might not be pornographic to the point of intercourse or depicting penetration, but nudity and sexually suggestive scenes with a 15 year old is sexualizing a minor in many countries.
 
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