Variety: Disney stands firm in James Gunn not returning to GotG3
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Oh, he's actually been convicted? I thought he was just accused and possibly charged so far. This makes the whole situation even more ridiculous.
Couldn't disagree more. Slither and Super are both better and more interesting than than GotG IMO.
Won't the director get to decide that? If they can't work with the script, I'd imagine they'll write a new one.
Either way I'm not super interested in the last Guardians movie with the original team not being seen out by Gunn. It's just gonna be awkward.
Sounds like the decision had little to do with Feige or any of the other directors that Disney employs. Boycotting the MCU won’t do anything practically and also isn’t really making a stance on anything.
Nah, this is the worst reason Disney fired someone, but I've been disappointed before. Them firing Patty Jenkins from Thor 2 was one, then of course the infamous firing of Edgar Wright from Ant-Man, which was Wright's own pet project and honestly hurt the hardest.
Absolutely no one should ever sympathize with the rich amoral fucks who run Disney. They're happy to kowtow to Nazis or sue childcare centers for using Disney characters as long as it makes them money. Fuck them.
Actually, it was then reduced to misdemeanor battery towards the woman and he did community service. He still makes rapey comments.
When I say absurd I mean people giving other cast members shit for not going as Scorched Earth Motherfucker as Batista. And also comparing and equating his firing to legitimate injustices suffered by the marginalized and oppressed.
This is something I didn't know I wanted, but now I won't be satisfied until it happens.
In a normal production, sure. This is a Disney production though and I bet they work the other way around. If the director can't work with the script, they'll throw the director out. Look at what happened with Solo... or in the MCU specific, Ed Norton as Bruce Banner. Though the latter wasn't a director, he did have a clause in his contract that he was allowed to revise the script if he didn't agree with it, which he used to change the movie for the better (basically he rewrote the entire first half of the movie to make Bruce Banner more sympathetic).
Marvel has allegedly become more lenient with director input, with Taika Waititi mentioning how he was free to do mostly their own thing with the delivered script, but I'm sure that if Marvel and/or Disney says "We're gonna use this script", the director has to follow suit.
Ok Disney. That's it. I've totally had it with your creativity stifling control, business practices, vertical integration and running great franchises into the ground. Not watching anything by them in theaters or on demand ever again, you greedy, evil bastards.
Yeah. I hate this decision and pretty much agree with that moviebob tweet word for word, but I'm not going to boycott shit because I love these movies too much. I guess that makes me part of the problem.
I think Disney made a mistake letting his talent go for something so stupid. WB and DC will probably benefit from his talent now.
After screaming at Disney for handing the alt right a victory and calling them Nazis, I wonder how many people are still going to turn up to watch GOTG 3 on release day.
To be clear, I do think Disney made the wrong decision, but I hope the people who are mad here are also holding themselves to a standard. Disney owns pretty much everything now though, so good luck with a boycott.
To be clear, I do think Disney made the wrong decision, but I hope the people who are mad here are also holding themselves to a standard. Disney owns pretty much everything now though, so good luck with a boycott.
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I'm expecting the new director to do a piss poor job with GotG3 and for it to have a low score at rotten tomato, if this happens then I don't expect many would tune in to watch it on release day.
We'll see how this plays in the next few years.
Of course he can, but he'll lose money and he'll be perceived as even less professional than he is right now.
Pfft, there's a lot of 'Super's DNA in Guardians, and go watch The Belko Experiment, for your own sake.
PS: IMDB's page for him would suggest he's involved with the new TV version of Starsky & Hutch.
That's not what any of the Gunn defense is doing, though. We're simply not ignoring the years upon years, upon years of context, apologies and proof that he's not that kind of person anymore. The people who shit on him and praise Disney are.
Quite easy to do, in fact, I haven't seen Ant-Man & The Wasp because of this, so not a stretch to carry on.
And I'm not mad, I'm disappointed, more so in the fact Disney has never had anything other than the bottom line in mind when it makes product. It's worrying just how much of a stranglehold this company has generally (and not just the media - holiday resorts, construction, finance & loans, property, etc...)
Those years and years that Disney will also absolutely have had access to and visibility of. This hasn't come as a surprise to Disney - only the way it was dug back up and presented without context is different (and disturbing)
This infamously misleading picture needs to die.All these boycotts posts only reminds me of this:
It's one page out of nearly 20. And even better, Activision listened and recent games had dedicated servers again.
If you feel that way, then wait for a while and buy the blurays or dvds used on the cheap. You get to see the movies in a legal manner and don't support Disney. The movies doesn't become less good just because you don't see them the second they are released. If anything, it will dampen the hype cloud a bit and help you see most of them for what they really are. Reliable and fun time wasters, but not much more than that. The GotGs, Ragnarok and Winter Solider are the only ones I personally really like. Maybe Homecoming as well.
I doubt I'll actively boycott anything over this, but it has lessened my interest in these movies quite a bit, so it most likely means I'm going to see even less of them now. Then again I still haven't even seen infinity war, so I'm probably not representative of this board in general.
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Totally! I don't put much stock in boycott movements.All these boycotts posts only reminds me of this:
Then you simply feel he's fit for being part of the Disney family, and that there's nothing about his character that is questionable. And you'd be vocal about him being reinstated even if his tweets were brought up by a feminist association or friggin' Unicef. Which is what I describe as deciding if he's fit or unfit for Disney.
What I'm talking about is the idea that Gunn needs to be reinstated no matter what because otherwise Nazis win. That's a dangerous train of thought because you actually empower them to manipulate your actions by forcing you to react to them.
Together with GotG2, The Belko Experiment is one of the things that make me doubt Gunn's scriptwriting capabilities.
Nothing Gunn has done since being hired should have gotten him fired. It's as simple as that.
That's ignorantly narrow.
I'd defend Gunn's reinstatement if a feminist or liberal brought them up, because he has a demonstrable decade of character action proving he's matured beyond bad taste jokes and is by all accounts a good man these days. Disney didn't hire him ignorant of his past history either. They knew, so I'd still call out their glaring hypocrisy.
The fact Nazi-sympathizers and alt-right harassers are the catalyst of this bad outcome is only salt on the wound. The two are not mutually exclusive. One can defend Gunn on his own merits without solely doing so to stick it to the Nazis.
They're already empowered. They got a high profile director kicked off the final movie in his own trilogy over something everyone knows he shouldn't have been fired for if only because if it was a dealbreaker Disney wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
This is no different to what happened with ArenaNet, where these guys are quickly finding out that corporations care more about avoiding controversies than they do standing by their employees.
You're deluding yourself if you think this won't keep happening.
That's a perfectly cromulent opinion to have and I have no issue with it. I simply happen to understand why Disney would disagree.
What other "matter" is there, that would prevent Gunn from being rehired if the context is NOT being ignored? Nazis do win this one, plain and simple. They managed to lead a Post-Factual campaign and destroyed someone's work by presenting past things the person has already long made up for, has long, publically dealt with, and is also largely misconstrued ans mispresented.
The Alt-Right won, and Disney handed them a trophy.
The difference between WHO brings it up is simply that Unicef or a Feminist association wouldn't be ignoring the context and doctoring things around just to harm him.
Hopefully die hard marvels now notice that Feige is a business man first and stop weird hero worship of him. He obviously doesn’t care about this situation dude is smart and knows keep his jobs. He was never going to stick his neck out to stand by fans he cares about that money. Going be amusing when he starts press tours and the questions about this situation going be fun see how he dodges them
Nothing points towards Feige having had any say in this. The contrary.
Honestly, I think this is the smaller victory for them. Disney gets flak here but they've become a target for the alt right ever since they started taking a more progressive stance. This is the Disney that went with black Nick Fury, that made a girl and black man the protagonists of SW, that is rumored to have a cartoon character being LGBT. Disney is not perceived as an ally by the alt right in any shape or form; in fact, you'll find most far right people are behind those "Disney is ruining Marvel/SW/whatever" rants.
If they can force Disney's hand into reinstating Gunn in order to "fight back" you'll see the propaganda machine about Disney once again closing their eyes on the "perversions" of the people they employ in full force. It's already there. The same arguments about Depp I read here I have encountered in rants from alt-righters who used that as evidence that Disney's progressive stances in SW were hypocritical.
No. You're saying he's unfit to be in the Disney family because of his past, agree with their decision because it protects their image, and disregards their knowledge of said history.
The man he is today is precisely the type of man Disney SHOULD want.
Will you advocate the firing of Robert Downey Jr for a criminal past, or Dave Bautista? Sarah Silverman has made the EXACT same types of bad taste jokes as Gunn has and she's now a Disney Princess with a movie out this year. ACTUAL Disney staff with documented claims of physical and sexual abuse remain on their payroll right now.
Don't be disengenuous. Gunn was fired in bad faith, Disney acted upon bad faith, and their own inability to admit fault shows clearly they don't believe for a second the actual redemptive themes of their movies, that people can change, overcome their pasts, and become better than they used to be.
My intent was to agree and add to your point. Sorry if it came across as disagreeing
Nah, that was before release. Rocket was hype with that Japanese player (forgot his name) who won several majors using mostly Rocket and his log trap assist lol
Edit: Kusoru! Man I need to go back to YouTube and watch his matches
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And if anything makes Disney even worse by doing this meeting when he couldn't be there
Hopefully people will stop stanning Disney as everybody's favourite Megacorp now.
So how many people are sticking to their boycotts?
I don't feel overly bad for Gunn as he's guaranteed work. It was bizarre people took it upon themselves to get him reinstated after how poorly Disney handled the whole situation.
Sign him up for Blue Beatle.
So how many people are sticking to their boycotts?
I don't feel overly bad for Gunn as he's guaranteed work. It was bizarre people took it upon themselves to get him reinstated after how poorly Disney handled the whole situation.
Sign him up for Blue Beatle.
I think the problem here is that you seem to consider unacceptable that someone could feel that Gunn isn't a monster but at the same time he's not the kind of person Disney may actually want to associate with. Which is fine, as it's a legitimate opinion, but you need to realize that someone may disagree with that, without at the same time having any sympathy for the alt right or their actions.
I'm not. Where did you read that?
My point was: decide if he's fit or unfit for being part of the Disney family indipendently from the alt right's involvement, or they will have managed to manipulate your values.
The only time I've expressed an opinion on this is when I said I wouldn't have fired Gunn, but I understand why Disney did so. Which means I would have also understood if they decided to keep him on. Both decisions had pros and cons, and they choose to go with one. Honestly the best case scenario would have been from them to immediately go with a joint statement (producers, management, cast etc) stating that they knew about Gunn's past but more importantly they knew Gunn now, and they wouldn't be working with him if they didn't feel the man he is now was perfectly at home in their family, instead of firing him.
But that ship has sailed.