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Variety Report: NetherRealm Studios allegedly a sexist & toxic workplace
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Where did I say white people are a bigger problem? Homophobia, sexism and transphobia are HUGE problems in Japan for example. Afro Caribbean communities have a huge homophobia problem too.
You've assumed way too much from my statement. This isn't a point scoring contest.
I can tell you that as a black person, working in game development that the lack of racial diversity in this scene is a massive problem, which is perpetuated by the dominance of white people, men especially.
It's hard to believe how bad things have gotten at NRS since I left them years ago. The stories I keep hearing seem to get worse and worse, so much more than I ever had to deal with. I feel horrible for the employees that were mistreated, but I also feel bad for the friends I have that still work there that worked their asses off and never contributed to this misconduct having to sit by unable to do anything.
I hope that these articles continue to pop up, but I also hope the employees that simply do their job and don't contribute to these horrible problems are not the ones that suffer the most. The biggest problem is that these issues always stem from a small % of employees in powerful positions (granted, I've heard about a few temps at NRS that have facilitated some of the more recent bullshit so it's not always just the people in power), and yet the people that always suffer are the ones who seem to follow the rules. Hopefully something good can come from all of this though and soon. It's just mind blowing how many articles keep popping up and it still feels like no changes are being made.
I hope that these articles continue to pop up, but I also hope the employees that simply do their job and don't contribute to these horrible problems are not the ones that suffer the most. The biggest problem is that these issues always stem from a small % of employees in powerful positions (granted, I've heard about a few temps at NRS that have facilitated some of the more recent bullshit so it's not always just the people in power), and yet the people that always suffer are the ones who seem to follow the rules. Hopefully something good can come from all of this though and soon. It's just mind blowing how many articles keep popping up and it still feels like no changes are being made.
It's an industry culture issue imo. The leadership at these companies are to blame
You make it seem like white people are a bigger problem when you specifically single out white people.are you serious? Thats the whole reason i said you shouldve left it at male dominated enviroments. You really dont think that typing white Male dominated enviroments to boot is making it seem like youre singling them out? Like seriously?
I read it as management feels bad for exploiting their labor so they don't police their behavior because they think allowing them to behave however they want is how they keep them there with the otherwise shitty working conditions.
Yeah lol I used to work 90+ hours for a time and it didn't turn me into a bigoted shithead
There's no excuse
I am singling them out, because white male dominated environments are also a big issue in the game industry in Europe and North America. I'm not saying it's a bigger problem, I'm saying it's a problem, and a huge one.
Unless you truly believe it's not? And if so then I'm wasting my time talking to you.
If I would be gay or trans I would totally assume my choice and never being shy about it. As I write earlier most of my friends are gay and I'm often being getting poked because I'm the only straight guy and It's alright. At one point you need self mockery and confidence in your person.
But It sounds unbearable in the gaming industry, feels like there is simply no respect standard. They need harrassment meeting asap
Have you ever in your life considered that you or someone else might not always have that option?
If you felt uncomfortable with your gay friends making fun of you for being straight and decided to ask them to stop, do you feel assured that it would stop? What consequences would you face for asking?
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This is only ever said by people with nothing to lose in terms of their current social standing.
User Banned (1 month): Sexism, history of severe infractions.
Time of the month wonder woman is actually kind of funny.
Get the fuck out of here with this. Attributing the laundry list of bad behavior that has nothing to do with race to white people, just cuz? You're part of the problem.
I think this problem comes along with an increase of immature staff. When companies grow fast without vetting you tend to get a total lack of professionalism.
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Considering that the "joke" was part of the alleged sexual harassment culture at NRS, not really.
I'm sorry, who is part of the problem now, exactly?
Where did I attribute the laundry list of issues to white people? Show me.
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand. One of the big issues the game industry in the west has right now is that it's dominated by straight white men. This has lead to a multitude of issues to do with race representation in the work place and in the games themselves.
Not once did I say that white people are THE cause of this transphobia, homophobia and the other issues that are rampant in gaming. You literally have industry executives doing talks about how the industry needs better racial representation in the work place to help clean up some of these issues, and you have the nerve to call me part of the problem.
The game industry being over represented by straight white men is absolutely an issue and a huge talking point within it. The fuck outta here.
Clearly you dont understand what im saying. So im just gonna stop cause it seems purposeful at this point
I don't understand how any of these things happen in a modern office setting. It just blows my mind, if anyone did anything like this at my office you would be immediately fired.
Saw some people wondering what Ed Boon's reaction will be and I'll just mention the GamesIndustry.biz article where we were told by current employees that they didn't even address the issue with their own staff after the Twitter threads and first press feature, other than to remind them of the social media policy: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-03-netherrealms-self-sustaining-culture-of-crunch
Also, no change to the DLC release schedule or pledge to change anything about the way things work.
Hopefully, that information is outdated by now but I haven't heard anything to that effect.
Also, no change to the DLC release schedule or pledge to change anything about the way things work.
Hopefully, that information is outdated by now but I haven't heard anything to that effect.
Yeah, I balked at that shit. The comments aren't great, but something like that which should be intrinsic and basic at ANY workplace in the 21st century is just all levels of fucked up. this says much more about their opinion about women than any comment could.
Just looking at a one minute trailer for their new game and yeah I'm not shocked that the studio that produced this is also a raging misogynist / homophobe / transphobe hell hole.
The more I find out about this studio, the happier I am for skipping MK11.
Yup. Her being picked makes a lot more sense now.
Yup. Her being picked makes a lot more sense now.
I would just hazard a guess that the segment of the gaming population that takes pleasure in horrifically graphic mutilations, dismemberments and disembowelings has a higher-than-average overlap with the toxic sections of the community. Maybe thats an unfair reading though.
No women's bathroom in the department? Literally two men's bathrooms? And they only made one of the men's bathrooms "unisex" because a prominent female voice actor was in the building?
What the fuck am I reading?
What the fuck am I reading?
It is an unfair reading, especially considering a lot of the devs who are affected by this toxicity are long time fans of the series themselves, and their contributions are all over the games.
The answer is to plan things accordingly. Don't shoot for the stars if you can't hit the moon with minimum sense of humanity.
Quoting my post from the the thread on the USGamer article in case anyone might find this useful.
Lol at both of you pretending that game development is not white male dominated field.
Yes it is "White" males that are largely responsible for the culture in gaming because "White" males are the bulk of the work force specifically when talking about an American development studio.
Again, lol at this being your take away from all the shit to talk about in this article.
The bathroom issue is bizarre. I've been in a situation where there was no men's room, but that was because the people on the floor were overwhelmingly women, and it was with all of the men's permission that it got converted to a unisex bathroom.
I'm pretty sure there are studies that show that crunch time is less efficient than managing time better, but the first things I see when I google "crunch time studies" are just stuff about how prevalent it is in the video game industry.
Hmm well I admit my original post was probably misguided then, thanks for engaging with me constructively.
Appreciate you weighing in on this. I'm actually shocked that after all the shit that's happened over the past year even, people would find issue with what I said. The lack racial diversity absolutely is a huge issue. To claim otherwise is grossly disingenuous and ironically, 'part of the problem'.
This is gaming side. You shouldn't be that surprised honestly. Nothing you said was wrong though.
The same people will say all these issues are not "gaming" problems but rather" society" problems. I encourage you to do what I do and ignore them because they have nothing worth listening to.
It's the sort of position that sounds good if you can divorce yourself from reality.
I don't doubt that "managing time better" is better, but there's a world of difference between saying that something should happen and actually putting it into practice. Increasing the efficiency of management is a very difficult thing to do, and arguably endless.
I'm not a programmer, but I've never been on any team that wound up not needing some degree of crunch, and not from poor planning.
Now, for any given team, sure, maybe improving management is something which is specifically viable. But overall, I'd say a much bigger thing is humanity simply...wanting things done faster/sooner.