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Variety: Why it’s actually great that Captain Marvel is just fine
- Thread starter Scullibundo
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It was so close to being great though.
Cut out a lot of the mid story junk.
Could have been a classic.
Cut out a lot of the mid story junk.
Could have been a classic.
Movies like Captain Marvel or Black Panther need to be allowed to fail. Not saying CM does, but no one needs to shoulder this burden that "if your movie fails, your marginalized group won't get to be in movies like this anymore." Straight white men never have to fear that. Same thing is going to happen with the first on-screen gay superhero. There doesn't need to be this weight of "oh boy I hope this is a success otherwise we won't get another gay superhero headlining a movie."
I thought it was pretty great. Definitely in the top half of Marvel films, but probably near the bottom of that top half.
Even before the movie released I kept hearing about how corny and dumb the movie looked. It ended up being true.
I guess that is one way of looking at it.
I swear I have seen that type of quote on this site before.
I think the article has a point about diversity in mediocrity, but right now any mediocrity just furthers the pre-existing narrative that women can't be as good as men at various things. So I'm a little bummed Captain Marvel isn't as good as it could've been.
exception that proves the rule, you can one or 2 "on" at a given time.
DC got it right all along.
Why It's Actually Great That Catwoman vs Air Bud Is the Worst Movie of the Decade
Come on now, Kevin Hart is better than Sandler. Who you're thinking of is Tyler Perry.
It would be great if Catwoman didn't stop DC from making female superhero movies for another decade.
The article is close.
It's not that we want more mediocre movies by and starring women. It's that it shouldn't be a controversy for them to exist. There shouldn't be entire movements against one "just okay" Marvel movie, just because it's got a woman in it. Where's the hate brigade for Thor: The Dark World outside NeoGAF/ResetERA? There isn't one.
It's not that we want more mediocre movies by and starring women. It's that it shouldn't be a controversy for them to exist. There shouldn't be entire movements against one "just okay" Marvel movie, just because it's got a woman in it. Where's the hate brigade for Thor: The Dark World outside NeoGAF/ResetERA? There isn't one.
They're right to a certain extent. If Snyder and Burton can get away with being hacks there can be others as well. The whole point of diversity in the arts I thought was to elevate what is considered mediocre though.
I wouldn't say Hart is better than Sandler, but you're right. Tyler is a much better example, which is funny since his shit movie is in 2nd place this week.
I like that people are forgetting that Electra was also by all accounts a mediocre/terrible superheroine movie.
Im probably the only person who fucking loves it. Yes, I admitted this.
Im probably the only person who fucking loves it. Yes, I admitted this.
Captain Marvel may not hit the right notes for everyone, but it is in no way in the same league as Catoman, Elektra, etc.
It's not controversial though. The "controversy" with Captain Marvel comes from the fact that they were clearly aiming this to be their big statement for female-led superhero movies. There was no controversy when A Wrinkle in Time crashed and burned last year, and that was much worse than Captain Marvel.
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Yes. My not liking this movie and also finding this article hilariously misguided is all part of some sinister scheme to trod one of a series of milquetoast blockbusters.
I... know.
Anyone who thinks it's along the same lines is wrong.
I honestly think it could've used just a few tweaks. Some of the action was just clunky, needed more style, more "punch" to the important hype moments. Certain key shots in key moments of the movie were "and here's a slo-mo ground punch" when it could've been so much more with a little creativity and more inspired choreography.
Basically this.
People's need for Captain Marvel to be a "moment" heightens a lot of the reactions to it and how people interpret things. The MRAs need it to be seen as this colossal failure so that they can stick it to those SJWs at Disney. Meanwhile, on the left, a lot of people who see this movie as super important won't accept the idea that it's just a decent movie.
The end goal should be for movies like Captain Marvel to just come out and be movies. The worst part is knowing we'll be doing this all again in December with Star Wars.
I'd equate it more to a movie like Ocean's 8. It wasn't terrible either. It just kinda existed.
I enjoyed it but it felt like the movie first two acts were two first acts and then suddenly had a 5 minute third act. It also didn't really know if it was trying to be a comedy or a serious action movie, it had jokes but were kinda badly timed and fell flat and the songs used felt very out of place and very forced like in Dead Pool. Carol as a character also didn't really stand out.
Ben Mendelson as the skull was amazing though, love that guy.
Ben Mendelson as the skull was amazing though, love that guy.
What a strange article.
Thankfully, the movie is actually great and one of the best MCU origin films.
Thankfully, the movie is actually great and one of the best MCU origin films.
As a black man I felt the same way about Black Panther. It was a decent movie, not ground breaking or anything, some parts were even downright mediocre. But it was nice getting a movie by black people, for black people, that wasn't a typical "black" movie and that still treated it's audience with respect and intelligence.
Well part of the problem is that the marketing very clearly leaned into the fact that it's the first female-led Marvel film and I've read criticisms that it only uses feminism as a kind of lip service (note: haven't seen it) - when it appears that the film is trying to make a statement (or the marketers are trying to tell you the film is trying to make a statement) people change their expectations or desires based on what they support...
I don't disagree with the premise of the article (I've actually seen another review with this exact same premise) but this stuff comes off as defensive that the first female-led Marvel movie wasn't as good as it should be. If Wonder Woman had just been "okay" and not gotten the critical reception it did I doubt we'd be seeing articles like this about it.
A big part of this is on Marvel's marketing though. Captain Marvel is very clearly marketed as a "moment", the movie itself is overly clear about this itself with constantly (directly) referring to how great women are and even using non-diegetic songs in the movie that are about how awesome women are.
It's not like this idea of Captain Marvel being a big moment for female-led movies comes out of nowhere.
Every year there are plenty of mediocre movies about women by women made that aren't "controversial" for being just okay or even bad. Last year we had stuff like Ocean's 8, Rough Night, Girl's Trip and A Wrinkle in Time who all ranged from bad to okay and none of them caused any kind of controversy.
Captain Marvel is marketed like it's this year's Black Panther, but for women, and it being not nearly that good causes this blowback we're seeing right now.