Vegan Influencers Keep Comparing Meat-Eating to the Holocaust and Slavery

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WrenchNinja

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Several high-profile vegan influencers are facing criticisms for comparing the slaughtering of animals to the Holocaust and the meat and dairy industries to rape and slavery—feeding into mainstream veganism’s stereotype as a lifestyle choice for fit, rich white people.

One said, “animal lives matter,” while another was called out for doing blackface after she painted her face and skin black. Mulitple have posted signs that say, “End the Animal Holocaust, Abolish Animal Slavery,” and they’ll call critics who don’t like what they’re saying “speciesist.”“Anytime there is an attempt to equate the Holocaust with other events, it’s deeply offensive to me, as it is to many Jews and those survivors,” said Abraham Silverman, a 78-year-old Holocaust survivor and manager of public relations at a Canadian branch of B’nai Brith, a global Jewish human rights organization.

Silverman said the comparison of animal slaughter and meat consumption to the Holocaust undermines the horrors that millions of Jews suffered during World War II, and inspires anti-Semitic folks online at a time when hate crimes targeting them are skyrocketing
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Veganism has exploded over the last two decades, with nearly 10 million people identifying as vegan in the U.S. alone—up from less than 300,000 in 2004, according to Ipsos. Even though Black people make up the fastest growing demographic of plant-based eaters, veganism is largely viewed as a white, elite lifestyle choice. When veganism’s biggest stars use language deemed oppressive, it further isolates racialized people and religious minorities in the movement.

“This creates a reality where people from oppressed communities don't want to be involved in the vegan movement,” said Paula Meninato, a vegan Latina activist and artist based in Philadelphia. It’s concerning, Meninato added, and undermines the fact that veganism actually has roots in racialized communities. Many Indigenous peoples have also spoken out against militant forms of veganism for perpetuating colonialism and failing to acknowledge the relationships Indigenous communities have to land and animals.

“What does it say about (veganism) that Black and brown people are more likely to be vegan, yet we persist with this reputation that the movement is white and elite?” said Christoper Sebastian, a Columbia University writer and researcher who specializes in race and animal rights. “It’s a PR problem.”
Australian animal rights activist James Aspey, 34, has been vegan for more than eight years and is best known for going a full year without speaking to draw attention to his cause. He has given speeches internationally and boasts 254,000 followers on Instagram.

The first line of Aspey’s Instagram bio says, “Animal rights is an anti-Holocaust movement,” comparing the slaughter of animals to mass execution of persecuted people. Throughout his page you can easily find several posts referencing the Holocaust, slavery, rape—and a comment where he says “animal lives matter.” Many posts are screenshots of his conversations and debates with people who disagree with his messaging. “Please tell me you’re vegan, because if you aren’t, you support the rape and slaughter of female earthlings and that is very NOT FEMINIST,” he says to a woman in one post.
In a statement to VICE World News, Aspey refuted the idea that his posts alienate people.

“If people are so easily hurt that hearing a word can cause them significant trauma, I would suggest they have a lot of healing to do before they use the internet, which has violence and triggering words all over it,” Aspey said. “The truth is, they aren’t actually hurt by hearing the word ‘Holocaust,’ they simply disagree that non-human Earthlings deserve to have their situation described using the same terminology that was used to describe human atrocities, and that is because they are speciesist.”

In some cases, when the behaviour is called out, the influencers double down on their posts or draw attention to critics by posting their exchanges, some public and some private, which can result in racialized and religious minority vegans getting trolled and doxed.

Aspey said Jewish people, feminists, and other marginalized groups should feel compelled to join the vegan movement because they understand what animals are going through. “Accurately describing the animals plight as a Holocaust should get Jewish people (and all people!) to realize how serious this matter is,” he said.

For generations, white people have compared people of colour and religious minorities to animals, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that oppressed people are harmed when certain vegan factions do the same thing, said Los Angeles-based vegan activist Tyra June.


 

jml

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Yeah this is not going to sway any current meat eaters to your side, you've gotta be more grounded than this if your goal is actually to persuade people and not just draw attention to yourself.
 

Mushroomer25

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I firmly believe PETA's decision to run multi-million dollar ad campaigns framing meat as a moral failing did massive, long-term harm towards the world. When you position veganism as a choice to be made for personal health reasons, or as vegetarianism as something that can be done occasionally to help the fight against global warming - it is so much easier to convince people to take part.

Furthermore, it's those campaigns that created this current generation of vegan influencers who use it as a tool in their holier-than-thou brand identity.
 

Zarshack

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These are the people that perpetuate the stereotype that vegans are just stuck up assholes that think they are better than non-vegans. It's a really bad look....
 

Lord Fanny

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Yeah, I heard it gives you superpowers, too. You only use like 10% of your brain because meat clogs up the rest. It’s just math, really.
 

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These are the people that perpetuate the stereotype that vegans are just stuck up assholes that think they are better than non-vegans. It's a really bad look....
Most vegans you meet in real life don't care at all what you eat. They care what they eat.

Then you go online and a blogger named like PETA Malarkey is telling people they're doing a slavery holocaust for eating a cheeseburger. 😵
 

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I get the arguments against meat consumption, which is why I hope we reach a place where lab-grown meat becomes the norm but seriously, fuck this douchebag and anyone else stupid enough to misuse something like the Holocaust or slavery to promote their ideology.

I have several vegan friends and oddly enough, they don't circle-jerk themselves and use their veganism as some lofty platform of arrogance and bad analogies.
 

Zarshack

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Most vegans you meet in real life don't care at all what you eat. They care what they eat.

Then you go online and a blogger named like PETA Malarkey is telling people they're doing a slavery holocaust for eating a cheeseburger. 😵
Yeah, i have a close friend that is vegan. If i had the self control i would go vegan in an effort to combat climate change. That said i know that personal change for me alone wouldn't be enough to make a difference and i would just be missing out on foods i enjoy eating.
 
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Fuck all "influencers."
More on the topic of vegans, if you don't want to eat meat then don't. You do you. But don't make bullshit claims about it.
 

El Bombastico

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Shit like this is why most people just point at vegans and laugh.

Reminds me when I saw an anti-abortion rally that kept trying to compare abortion to genocide.
 

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I've long suspected the percentage of noteworthy vegan/vegetarian social media influencers who have irreversibly fatal cases of complete fucking brain rot is absurdly fucking high, and I say this as a vegetarian.

For what it's worth an overwhelming, vast majority of vego/vegans I've encountered in my life, friends and otherwise, are nothing like this, and I'm certain it's the same for most if not everyone here. You won't know most people's dietary choices unless it's relevant to conversation, and most people don't care. It is, as is always cases like this, attention grabbing horseshit from intellectually deficient morons who've little to do in their life other than suckle on the slow drip serotonin teat of social media positive feedback loops.
 

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undermines the horrors? What does he thinks that happens on slaughterhouses?

 

Obi Wan Jabroni

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I firmly believe PETA's decision to run multi-million dollar ad campaigns framing meat as a moral failing did massive, long-term harm towards the world. When you position veganism as a choice to be made for personal health reasons, or as vegetarianism as something that can be done occasionally to help the fight against global warming - it is so much easier to convince people to take part.

Furthermore, it's those campaigns that created this current generation of vegan influencers who use it as a tool in their holier-than-thou brand identity.
Agreed.

PETA are fucking loons who have supported legitimate domestic terrorism and have membership who have actively advocated armed conflict with meat-eaters.

Fucking crazy. Even other animal rights groups distance themselves from PETA.
 

Parch

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As soon as somebody gets too extreme about anything, they lose respect from others. They end up hurting their cause.
 

collige

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Feels like this leans more towards being a white people issue than a vegan issue
 

jph139

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Yeah this is not going to sway any current meat eaters to your side, you've gotta be more grounded than this if your goal is actually to persuade people and not just draw attention to yourself.
This is the case, really. 1:1 human/animal comparisons just aren't workable, even to people who are open to anti-meat logic.

Like, I eat meat on the regular, but I think it's pretty obvious that it's hugely immoral and anyone who continues to do so is contributing to suffering on an incomprehensible scale, the sort of thing that will be looked at with shame in the future, assuming we survive long enough as a species. If you have any sort of platform, and you're passionate about the issue, I think you should be putting your energy toward stopping that in practical ways, not just by broadcasting your views in the most extreme way you can think of.

It's like arguing with strangers online, it makes you feel better but you're not actually going to accomplish anything.
 

Ultima_5

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as a jew. i for one love having my relations who were victims of genocide being compared to fucking chickens.
 

Watchtower

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I firmly believe PETA's decision to run multi-million dollar ad campaigns framing meat as a moral failing did massive, long-term harm towards the world. When you position veganism as a choice to be made for personal health reasons, or as vegetarianism as something that can be done occasionally to help the fight against global warming - it is so much easier to convince people to take part.

Furthermore, it's those campaigns that created this current generation of vegan influencers who use it as a tool in their holier-than-thou brand identity.
Yeah, in my personal experience vegan food only really started taking off once Impossible Burgers became a thing. Veganism as an activist tool against climate change and animal abuse flies right over most peoples heads. Veganism as a meat/dairy alternative that lets you eat healthier without sacrificing in flavor? Much better success rate.
 

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As a definite meat eater, I'm going to call out that this is a whataboutism
If you allude to slavery then mentioning the contemporary slavery that is happening right now to people facilitated by the device he's holding strikes me as a fair point, especially when the fuckboi in question is jerking off to his own moral superiority.

Call it whatever you want, I'd posit my logic is better than his given his horrific use of analogies.
 

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I get the arguments against meat consumption, which is why I hope we reach a place where lab-grown meat becomes the norm but seriously, fuck this douchebag and anyone else stupid enough to misuse something like the Holocaust or slavery to promote their ideology.

I have several vegan friends and oddly enough, they don't circle-jerk themselves and use their veganism as some lofty platform of arrogance and bad analogies.
Pretty much this. Similar to the asshats that say they don’t watch or own a tv. Then goes on to recommend some random show or anime on Netflix.

I was one those peeps in my early 20s
 

skeptem

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Yes, this hyperbole and grandstanding will definitely get more people on board, right?
Getting people on board would only detract from how special they are!

Really though, the vegans I know don't even talk about it. Outside of the first few times I had to consider their diet when making a meal, it never comes up.

Militant about any diet is annoying and off putting.
 

Mushroomer25

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Yeah, in my personal experience vegan food only really started taking off once Impossible Burgers became a thing. Veganism as an activist tool against climate change and animal abuse flies right over most peoples heads. Veganism as a meat/dairy alternative that lets you eat healthier without sacrificing in flavor? Much better success rate.
Same thing with the concept of 'Meatless Mondays'. When you focus on the positives (here's a fun way to try new, plant-based dishes) - you actually make people excited to get involved, rather than racked with guilt.
 

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So do they think carnivorous animals are Nazis now or...? I guess none of them like cats?
 

Nikus

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In all seriousness, I’ve felt more and more guilty eating meat over the years, and I’ve seriously reduced my consumption. And ultra aggressive vegans had their effect on me too, like, I understand where they’re coming from. NOT talking about the dum-dums in the OP comparing it to the holocaust, but idk, I get how utterly disgusted they are by this. And with time I’ve grown more and more horrified of the meat industry and the suffering of animals. I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to go full vegan, but dudes like these influencers don’t make me see vegans in a more negative light. It’s just a shame that for many others, they do make vegans look likes morons...
 

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Maybe it's confirmation bias but seems like the concept of "Speciesism" has become more popular lately.
 

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I don't hold this against veganism. Idiots will always shout the loudest and get the most attention, especially when they are on social media.
 

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While the holocaust comparison is just, unnecessary and done just to inflame people, it's sad that the idea of animals being wrapped up in slavery is something that offends people. There is absolutely an argument to be made that's what we do to animals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and these arguments that humans and animals just aren't this 1:1 thing is pretty shortsighted. Just because an animal can't build a car engine doesn't mean it's place here is any less than your own. Does that mean you should be guilted out of it? No, and that has clearly shown to have no affect on people and pushes them the other direction. However it's hard to get upset for a few of these vocal vegans going down the deep end, especially since, obviously they're being paid to push an extreme just like every other influencer, and we can't sit here and say "oh, see this influencer being ridiculous is exactly why I eat meat" either. If you're smart enough you understand exactly his place and his role he's filling. It's not the greatest and he's not some deep thinker trying to convert people. However, he got results (?) I assume from his vegan lifestyle, and many people bond with animals and then do get very upset the way people continue to be aware but make excuses like "I'm giving up food I enjoy" as if there is no enjoyable food outside of the animal-based food supply. Like, cool, shit on this guy, but don't think some crazy vegan is a reason to not think eating meat or animal byproduct is something to question. Clearly I have my own beliefs here, not trying to hide it. Just trying to convey that while misguided I understand passion in this sector.
 
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I am very much a meat eater, but a HUGE number of my friends are vegan. I respect the choice. Frankly, I was not a healthy kid growing up and still have to be VERY careful with my intake or I gain weight quickly - I also lift weights a lot. I have found it impossible to hit my protein requirements while also keeping my calories as low as I need without meat. There are absolutely alternatives that work, but it's a TON of work to make good food with all of them without just ballooning the carb level.

Secondly, my wife is allergic to milk, eggs, and all nuts but almonds. This eliminates a number of options for us (I know some of those are what vegans don't eat as well). So that + my intakes challenges mean we still eat meat. However, we try very hard to be considerate of sourcing for any meat we get. Honestly, I prefer just hunting for the meat myself if I could more often. At least then the animal is out in the wild doing its thing until it's final moments. Seems like the best option, just not sustainable for me to practice.

I'm a big outdoors guy and most animals are pretty predatory on other animals. It's not like pigs won't eat a person if they are hungry and fall into the wrong pen. That doesn't justify treating animals poorly at all and I would love to ascend to a society that doesn't rely on killing animals for food. However, it is not out of order with the way most of nature works to hunt/eat animals. We should strive to do so ethically and respectful though.
 

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If you allude to slavery then mentioning the contemporary slavery that is happening right now to people facilitated by the device he's holding strikes me as a fair point, especially when the fuckboi in question is jerking off to his own moral superiority.

Call it whatever you want, I'd posit my logic is better than his given his horrific use of analogies.
You don't refute someone's argument to reduce suffering by pointing out he doesn't reduce other forms of suffering.

That's whataboutism.
 

Obi Wan Jabroni

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While the holocaust comparison is just, unnecessary and done just to inflame people, it's sad that the idea of animals being wrapped up in slavery is something that offends people. There is absolutely an argument to be made that's what we do to animals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and these arguments that humans and animals just aren't this 1:1 thing is pretty shortsighted. Just because an animal can't build a car engine doesn't mean it's place here is any less than your own. Does that mean you should be guilted out of it? No, and that has clearly shown to have no affect on people and pushes them the other direction. However it's hard to get upset for a few of these vocal vegans going down the deep end, especially since, obviously they're being paid to push an extreme just like every other influencer, and we can't sit here and say "oh, see this influencer being ridiculous is exactly why I eat meat" either. If you're smart enough you understand exactly his place and his role he's filling. It's not the greatest and he's not some deep thinker trying to convert people. However, he got results (?) I assume from his vegan lifestyle, and many people bond with animals and then do get very upset the way people continue to be aware but make excuses like "I'm giving up food I enjoy" as if there is no enjoyable food outside of the animal-based food supply. Like, cool, shit on this guy, but don't think some crazy vegan is a reason to not think eating meat or animal byproduct is something to question. Clearly I have my own beliefs here, not trying to hide it. Just trying to convey that while misguided I understand passion in this sector.
Respectfully it's a whole lot more than "unnecessary". It's vulgar, profane, and marginalizes one of the greatest tragedies in human history and does so at a time when anti-Semitism and Holocaust Denial/marginalization is growing.

I respect what you are trying to say here but seriously, fuck these people.
 
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I've long suspected the percentage of noteworthy vegan/vegetarian social media influencers who have irreversibly fatal cases of complete fucking brain rot is absurdly fucking high, and I say this as a vegetarian.

For what it's worth an overwhelming, vast majority of vego/vegans I've encountered in my life, friends and otherwise, are nothing like this, and I'm certain it's the same for most if not everyone here. You won't know most people's dietary choices unless it's relevant to conversation, and most people don't care. It is, as is always cases like this, attention grabbing horseshit from intellectually deficient morons who've little to do in their life other than suckle on the slow drip serotonin teat of social media positive feedback loops.
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RichardHawk

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White vegans need to stop being the mouthpieces for the 'movement'. The sad thing is these are also the people that end up not being vegan anymore and say bullshit like 'I had to start eating animals again I couldn't live without fish/dairy/whatever'. Look at people like Miley Cyrus or Jon Venus. This will be year 6 of me being vegan and I've had no issues with it because I keep an eye on what I need to supplement.
 
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