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Proteus

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Inferno said:
Yes, that's literally what the term means.
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I took a look and it definitely has taken a ridiculously broad definition, even gender doesn't need to be involved.

From wikipedia:
In its original use, mansplaining differed from other forms of condescension in that it is rooted in the sexist assumption that a man is likely to be more knowledgeable than a woman.[7] However, it has come to be used more broadly, often applied when a man takes a condescending tone in an explanation to anyone, regardless of the age or gender of the intended recipients: a "man 'splaining" can be delivered to any audience.[2] In 2010 it was named by the New York Times as one of its "Words of the Year".[8]
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I stand by my feeling that word really loses any meaning when it can be applied to anything with just about any gender involved as long as it's a man doing the condescending action.

Seems to hold more weight in its original form when it specifically dealt with sexism.

I am not doing this to be an asshole or derail anything either I just think it seems out-of-place in non-gender related discussion.
 
John Kowalski

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Peeps going after his veganism when he's demonstrably doing a number of awful things that aren't even adjacent to veganism are making me wonder what they're looking at.
 
jakoo

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My wife and I have somewhat almost unconsciously found ourselves eating less and less meat then we have in years prior, and I think that's been due to the positive vegetarians/vegans in our life who give us things to think about and encourage us to eat more creatively.

The whole militant vegan angle just plays into a trope and probably does a lot more harm then good in the big picture of convincing meat eating "normies" to cut back. I think the thing I hate the most about the labels of "vegan" or "vegetarian" is when people try taking their diet and make it into their personality.
 
Xenon

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My definition of mansplaining, when a man assumes a lack of competence based on gender. But with "know it all" types of people if he said the same thing to a male or female counterpart one could be easily mistaken for manspaining. Could this be, maybe. But since it's not clear cut it ends up hurting the discussion more than helping.
 
MouldyK

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Asked my Vegan friend, the one who mostly converted me...

She said she wouldn’t buy a kid an ice-cream and instead tell them the cow mother also cried when her baby was taken from her...you know...to “Educate that dumbass kid”.

But would buy them an ice lolly if anything.
 

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Really tempted to troll him by tweeting a picture of me eating a juicy, rare, bloody steak wrapped in bacon.
 
Dekuman

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A reminder not to be an asshole IRL no matter how 'right' you think you are. Good rule of thumb to live by.

Real life isn't Twitter or the internet.
 
Inferno

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Dekuman said:
A reminder not to be an asshole IRL no matter how 'right' you think you are. Good rule of thumb to live by.

Real life isn't Twitter or the internet.
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I know this isn't what you're trying to say, but the idea that this stuff is somehow different from "real life" is precisely why people feel bold enough to act like dipshits online.
 
dennett316

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Paradoxal Utopia said:
Yeah he's an asshole, but she sounds like one herself as well.

1. Felt the need to "advertise" her deed on social media so she can get the validation she desires, something I'm not a fan of. I know people who advertise whenever they give a couple bucks to a homeless person on their FB or whatever (making it a "story" about how "good" it made them feel) and I find it pretty distasteful. Implies the original intention wasn't driven by any kind of altruism, more like "I cant wait to see how many likes I can get for this" and needing the world to applaud them for their "charity".

2. Even though the guy sounds like a bit of a loon, her response was both disrespectful, dismissive, and expletive laden. Not gonna celebrate her for that. She doesn't sounds like a great person herself.
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Jesus....

Okay. 1) Or you could look at it as someone posting a good deed in the hopes of paying that notion forward in a shitty-ass world that's seeing people being crappy to each other as the default. The implication you place on it is one you invented yourself, and frankly, you're overreacting a hell of a lot about her intention to make her seem like an asshole even remotely close to the level as he was. You can find it "distasteful" all you like, she made a kid feel happier, and no doubt warmed the hearts of several who saw her post. Your distaste is a tiny speck in comparison.
2) Her response is warranted based on the over-the-top smarm and ego of the douche-bag who's talking down to her because she bought a crying child some ice cream. And no, using swear words doesn't make you a bad person. So being expletive-laden means precisely dick.
 
Dekuman

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Inferno said:
I know this isn't what you're trying to say, but the idea that this stuff is somehow different from "real life" is precisely why people feel bold enough to act like dipshits online.
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You are correct. I was just trying to emphasize and illuminate reality, that is, some people treat online and offline worlds as separate while others bring their poor online behavior outside of it.

Ideally people should be the same regardless but that often isn't the case.

But yeah, you are right to point out being online isn't an excuse to be a dipshit either.
 
OrangeNova

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Proteus said:
I took a look and it definitely has taken a ridiculously broad definition, even gender doesn't need to be involved.

From wikipedia:


I stand by my feeling that word really loses any meaning when it can be applied to anything with just about any gender involved as long as it's a man doing the condescending action.

Seems to hold more weight in its original form when it specifically dealt with sexism.

I am not doing this to be an asshole or derail anything either I just think it seems out-of-place in non-gender related discussion.
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Yeah, Mansplaining is the downplaying of their knowledge based on them being female and a male feeling the need to educate her because she can't possibly know that.

This is someone just being a condescending asshole.
 
Afrikan

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After that first message I knew he was nuts... it was better off not engaging him. Let someone else play his game.
 
MrT

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jakoo said:
The whole militant vegan angle just plays into a trope and probably does a lot more harm then good in the big picture of convincing meat eating "normies" to cut back. I think the thing I hate the most about the labels of "vegan" or "vegetarian" is when people try taking their diet and make it into their personality.
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A little off topic perhaps but really "vegan" is not a diet as it includes all animal products, not just food, so it kinda does tie in to personality/who they are for a lot of people. If it's just about diet alone, it would better be described as "plant based"
 
psynergyadept

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like what the fuck is this? what a hill to die on!

Paradoxal Utopia said:
Yeah he's an asshole, but she sounds like one herself as well.

1. Felt the need to "advertise" her deed on social media so she can get the validation she desires, something I'm not a fan of. I know people who advertise whenever they give a couple bucks to a homeless person on their FB or whatever (making it a "story" about how "good" it made them feel) and I find it pretty distasteful. Implies the original intention wasn't driven by any kind of altruism, more like "I cant wait to see how many likes I can get for this" and needing the world to applaud them for their "charity".

2. Even though the guy sounds like a bit of a loon, her response was both disrespectful, dismissive, and expletive laden. Not gonna celebrate her for that. She doesn't sounds like a great person herself.
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what is this? why is their a need to dive so deep into what she did; she bought a girl some ice cream and posted about it. that akes her an asshole? you're telling me she actually deserves critism for this?
 
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SageShinigami

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Paradoxal Utopia said:
Yeah he's an asshole, but she sounds like one herself as well.

1. Felt the need to "advertise" her deed on social media so she can get the validation she desires, something I'm not a fan of. I know people who advertise whenever they give a couple bucks to a homeless person on their FB or whatever (making it a "story" about how "good" it made them feel) and I find it pretty distasteful. Implies the original intention wasn't driven by any kind of altruism, more like "I cant wait to see how many likes I can get for this" and needing the world to applaud them for their "charity".

2. Even though the guy sounds like a bit of a loon, her response was both disrespectful, dismissive, and expletive laden. Not gonna celebrate her for that. She doesn't sounds like a great person herself.
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You know what would be more rewarding than people thinking you're a good person? Keeping your money in your pocket. Who cares why you helped someone so long as you're not taking advantage of them or being scummy by doing photo ops or some shit.

And yes, her response was disrespectful because it's probably not the first time this has happened to her. Eventually you get tired of some douchebag dude in your face about some nonsense.
 
Jonnykong

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I cannot stand the word mansplaining.

Just call him a man. What people think is "mansplaining" isn't just delegated to one gender, ugh.
 

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He seems very angry. Internet brings out the worst in people, damn. Worthless behaviour.
 

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Jonnykong said:
I cannot stand the word mansplaining.

Just call him a man. What people think is "mansplaining" isn't just delegated to one gender, ugh.
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I think it's justified here. Look in his original DM where he clarifies for her that non-vegan ice cream isn't vegan. And the emojis at the end, it's all so condescending.
 
Inferno

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Jonnykong said:
But that's him as an individual, his gender has got nothing to do with it.
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Men being condescending towards women isn't anything new or rare. It's an incredibly common kind of sexist behavior, to consciously or subconsciously presume that the woman you're talking to needs you to explain basic things to her. It's totally true that women have the capacity to be condescending too, but this type of behavior is shit that men do all the time, and not just to women. Women wouldn't have needed to come up with a term for it, if it wasn't something common.
 
Gotdatmoney

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That's just really obnoxious. Like it's nice that the little girl got some ice cream. Why you gotta make it into more than that? The kid likely is not vegan. If I had to choose between lil kid being happy and betraying veganism for some ice cream I would prob just buy the ice cream.

It doesnt change anything in the end.
 
Jonnykong

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Inferno said:
Men being condescending towards women isn't anything new or rare. It's an incredibly common kind of sexist behavior, to consciously or subconsciously presume that the woman you're talking to needs you to explain basic things to her. It's totally true that women have the capacity to be condescending too, but this type of behavior is shit that men do all the time, and not just to women. Women wouldn't have needed to come up with a term for it, if it wasn't something common.
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I can completely see what you mean, I just don't like the way it implies that only men can be condescending arseholes and women can't, which I know for a fact isn't true because I happen to work with some women who are very condescending towards me. I wouldn't like to put all other women in the same box as them though and say those characteristics are classic examples of all women, I just see them individually as arseholes.

If this makes any sense, which it probably doesn't.
 

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Blue said:
A: this exact joke pops up in literally every thread about vegetarians or vegans. It has never once been funny.

B: sending that image to him just gives him what he wants...
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I have nothing against vegans and acknowledge that it is harmful to living animals to eat meat. However this guy is an asshole.
 
Gotdatmoney

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Mystic said:
I have nothing against vegans and acknowledge that it is harmful to living animals to eat meat. However this guy is an asshole.
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He is a big asshole. But I dont really see why we need to be vindictive here. The woman here is right. She bout a kid an ice cream. It's not deep. We should juat take her lead and recognize it as an asshole being an asshole about something that isnt an issue.
 
Ithil

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I would hazard a guess and say his being a vegan has very, very little to do with any interest in protecting animals.
 
Rick Martel

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Blue said:
A: this exact joke pops up in literally every thread about vegetarians or vegans. It has never once been funny.

B: sending that image to him just gives him what he wants...
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Seriously. There's nothing funny about all the stuff that goes on for people to eat steaks. It's horrifying.

On topic, there was no reason for this guy to be a jerk. The lady was being nice to a little girl, an act of kindness shouldn't be shit on like he tried to do.
 
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