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VG24/7: Developers making Xbox Series X games will learn to address PS5’s SSD advantage, says ex-Xbox lead
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Yup I'm glad they are close enough that no one will be able to tell a difference. It has, and always will be about one thing: Better Games.
I think most 3rd parties will make games with the lesser parts of both machines in mind to ensure parity i.e. work with the Series X HDD in mind and the PS5 GPU.
You should edit this into the OP and maybe change the title to more reflect the line in context.
PS5 is going to be badass. I'm in the boat believing SSD will make next gen feel next gen. Can't wait to see this beast.
Is serious shit, as it's more/less time free to be posting about load speeds on Era.
Ideally this is what would happen. In practice both version will just have elevators.
I suppose the same could be said for the GPU difference. Temporal upscaling solution, with lower base res.
Guys, I don't think he meant literal elevators, he was just spouting off, what needs to be gained from this is that developers will figure out ways to adapt, and that's all.
I would be shocked if most third party developers would not just develop their games for the lowest common denominator. I mean, there's literally 0 chance that levels will get changed just because the PS5 can load them faster, simply because it's way too expensive and work intensive to do that.
The super fast PS5 SSD is nice for first party, but it won't make any economical sense to heavily adjust your games to suit one particular platform. On PCs and the Xbox, you'll have to work with what's there. So it's 2 platforms against 1. The scenario pointed out in the OP is highly unlikely.
The super fast PS5 SSD is nice for first party, but it won't make any economical sense to heavily adjust your games to suit one particular platform. On PCs and the Xbox, you'll have to work with what's there. So it's 2 platforms against 1. The scenario pointed out in the OP is highly unlikely.
As if people on ERA play games. They watch DF videos all day and then post about it.
third parties simply wont take advantage of the ssd in that way. game design is a tricky thing and it will always be designed with the lowest common denominator in mind.
ps5 might get better textures or character models but thats about it. you wont get superman moving at 2x the speed on ps5 than xsx.
ps5 might get better textures or character models but thats about it. you wont get superman moving at 2x the speed on ps5 than xsx.
Show me where someone with actual dev experience on XSX says this? You can't. The guy literally says he is making it up!
Focusing on that one comment out of a much larger discussion seems like something that's actually the opposite of insightful. Like, we all understand ways game design work around hiding loading/caching within current HDD speeds. We understand how slow-walk hallways or elevators, or airlock-style entryways work in practice. Assuming the comment taken on its own is insightful on the nature of next-gen (i.e., that the hardware distinctions necessitate that degree of level-design difference for multi-plats between Series X and PS5) seems unlikely , if not laughable. The underlying speeds we're talking about for both systems aren't "add an elevator" sorts of variation. If truly necessary, you simply work to the lowest-common denominator.
The broader conversation is solid though, in the sense that these are the kinds of things that any-and-all software engineering works through in multi-plat (or variable spec) development.
The broader conversation is solid though, in the sense that these are the kinds of things that any-and-all software engineering works through in multi-plat (or variable spec) development.
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I see we're now at the point of equating an industry person sharing loose thoughts on a topic to an official MS statement, lol.
That was not to hide loading but to show detail. Has been clarified multiple times now.
What a weird statement since all multiplatform games will be developed with the slower Xbox SSD and PC SSDs in mind.
Better draw distances? No, the GPU, RAM and CPU still have to deal with those assets. Better LOD? Possible, if by better you mean quicker transitions. Higher quality assets across the board? Unlikely for the same reason as better draw distances.
That assumes the very quick SSD in the XSX is incapable of these revolutions in game design. The XSX isn't toting a slow HDD.
Both machines can fill their entire (comparatively limited memory pool) in around 5 seconds. The PS5 can do it in roughly half the time of the XSX. That might make a massive difference, it might make a small practical difference. We won't know until the games come out. We can only say it's comparatively easy for developers to lower the resolution for a weaker GPU because we've seen them do it. It could easily turn out it's comparatively easy for developers to work with the limitations of an SSD of the XSX's speed vs one of the PS5 speed without much obvious issue for the player in much the same way downscaling resolution is 'trivial'.
Both consoles memory and storage bandwidth is already off the chart insane compared to current gen, the idea that dev's would ever have to use "elevators" to hide loading times again is a joke.
Honestly, I can deal with some loading for a better looking game, its not like the series x hard drive is going to be so far behind that we have multi minute load times or something. Also, can't really see a dev changing the world layout between consoles (removing elevators/corridors).
That sounds like a good idea tbh. Maybe similar to what the N64 had, but of course not that extreme. Would be nice if stuff like that enables them to use 100% of the hardware on both consoles.
actually hilarious that someone would actually think they could comment on an article they didn't even read, then try to turn it into console wars or something.
Lol this is basically my experience with mass effect running on NVME
At this point, I'm not sure we can claim to be better than other forms of social media any more.
you did, it, you got em. Take that micro$oft. Your snake oil wont fool me.
Conveniently left out of the OP lol.
I don't think the difference is going to be as large as some people thing. Sony first party is going to be where we see it, but even then you won't really be able to compare it because those games won't be available on any other platform. Interesting times.
The problem is people lack reading comprehension or are outright looking for a gotcha. Of course OP doesn't help by taking one line out of a much broader discussion regarding the SSD solutions.
I suppose that is where something like VRS becomes more useful, rather thank blanket reduce that per pixel quality, you could increase it where it isn't most needed?
Dumb question in regards to system memory:
What is the practical difference between the PS5 having a faster SSD but slower memory, versus the Series X having a slower SSD but faster memory?
What is the practical difference between the PS5 having a faster SSD but slower memory, versus the Series X having a slower SSD but faster memory?
I mean, isnt the SSD in the XSX faster than most NVMe drives already? I don't get what all the hoopla is all about. They both have SSD's that currently are cutting edge / still to come in the pc space. Most PC SSD's run at like 550 MB/s and the XSX has like what 5 times that?
Until games have moved on from cross-gen and from the baseline "slow" SSD's that are on PC's i doubt we will see much change in games except loading levels faster and faster UI's.
Until games have moved on from cross-gen and from the baseline "slow" SSD's that are on PC's i doubt we will see much change in games except loading levels faster and faster UI's.
Like every generation and hardware, build games with lowest common nominator in mind. Xbsx is still faster than most SSD even though its not as fast as ps5. Still a good advantage over many todays pc.
Developers making Xbox Series X games will learn to address PS5's SSD advantage, says ex-Xbox lead
Developers working on multiplatform games will find a way to get around Xbox Series X's relatively slower SSD compared …www.vg247.com
Developers will find solution to address the speed difference between XSX SSD and faster PS5 SSD said ex Xbox division, Brad Stillwell.
It's like saying:
"Maybe the XSX will hit 4K native, but the PS5....I dunno....drops to 720p or something"
" ... Microsoft's William Stillwell, who currently manages the company's Mixed Reality program, spent years at Xbox working on backwards compatibility, xCloud, and Xbox platform services. ... "
Yeah, surely him isn't to be trusted, he didn't even see the PS5 dev kit.
