Side note: the comments were made by Epic's VP of engineering not Tim Sweeney, for any future agitator wanting to call him a liar this isn't the thread . My question is why are the comments from the VP of engineering so offensive?
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VG24/7:Epic rewrite I/O subsystem with PS5 SSD in mind
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Because he doesn't name any favorised product of the offended people.
And apparently he even denies to do so.
Sony bought epic or atleast this person /s
Dude you made a whole thread with this same baseless narrative with this exact subject.The naive and/or baseless narrative which sees the latest and most important and used third-party videogame engine (UE5) created and optimized with a single device architecture in mind (PS5) which will "scale back" to all the others "lesser" platforms.
All of this during a never been so vast era of multi-platform/devices, multi-form factors and even "non-physical" gaming through Cloud Streaming.
What's mind boggling....many of us know for the PS5 resolution will be scaled back, because of the TF difference.
So...why is it so hard to accept the same thing for the SSD?
I was gonna bring this up yesterday.
Don't fall victim to console warrior talk here. The XSX SSD is still very fast. Even in the off chance that 3rd parties don't take full advantage of the speed delta, you're still getting the transformative experiences compared to the previous gen.
You are bang on. Here's the litmus test.
Even fans of the Xbox need to acknowledge that the PS5s SSD IO solution is remarkable and will do more than simply load games quicker. 3rd Party games will be comparable.
Even fans of Sony need to acknowledge that the XSX is slightly more powerful, and was designed thoughtfully. It is not a brute force machine using off the shelf parts.
If you start to say words like "only" "No difference" and "merely" terms of viewing the strength of either console, you got problems.
Once we see the PS5's games, people will understand its strength.
I was going to say this same thing. I'm not exactly sure why people can't accept that Sony and MS focused on really pushing certain areas of their respective system architecture, and therefore, those areas with be strengths they can play to.
Microsoft already hyped up SSD at last year's E3 briefing. They say it'll give gamers "new experience". The thing is both companies are hyping SSD.
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Look at the views of every tech demo be it unreal or something else and then look at the views of the Unreal 5 demo .
12 million views just on one channel alone if anything it would make sense for EPIC to ask Sony not the other way around .
Plus Unreal 5 is a shift is how things are done and right now Sony has the fastest SSD speed.
Microsoft already hyped up SSD at last year's E3 briefing. They say it'll give gamers "new experience". The thing is both companies are hyping SSD.
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Yes, they are hyping their SSD strongly:
Joel Baker, Technical Director at Hinterland Games
"The most exciting thing for me is the addition of an SSD and the custom hardware surrounding it to help get data into memory faster. This is not only going to allow for better streaming and load times but also make it easier to work with larger data sets that don't easily fit into memory. The addition of hardware ray tracing is also super exciting, but it's how it can be used outside of graphics that will enable the biggest changes."
Kevin Floyer-Lea, Chief Technology Innovation Officer at Rebellion
"The SSD storage speed then lets us take those beautiful realistic environments and make them load in a flash. And we're talking about bigger environments than the ones we could create on Xbox One."
and others....
but
"lol, ssd" "sony doesn't have anything else, that is why they talk about SSD" /s
Source Microsoft marketing
What in the blazes? The mans company owns one of the biggest graphic engines used by many devs and his tech team rewrote certain io code in their engine to take advantage of PS5 high bandwidth 12 lane ssd. Where is the problem of not believing its real and it works? The even released their new engine running on the PS5 for crying out loud.
We need that time to bailout gif back.
Uhmm they wont. 10.3 to 12 is not a hindrance to full 4K [The devs will decide of course] You're brain is stuck on one thing when this time around its a whole different setup. Up from scratch not an add on in power to existing hardware.
Y'know how it is. People just need to see and experience it in action in real time in a real game to be able to really grasp the significance of it. Until then it's always going to feel like people are downplaying it or overhyping it.
As always, thank you Matt for a clear factual statement in the midst of absurdity.
No one is saying it isn't, or calling that PR. The notion that the kinds of things shown on the UE demo are ONLY possible on UE5, or possible elsewhere only with very significant downgrades, which is something Epic never said, is fueled by the fact that Epic PR focuses solely on how the PS5 runs these technologies and doesn't talk about any other hardware beyond "yeah it runs" despite the engine being multiplatform.
The PS5 I/O architecture is significantly better than anything mainstream today and this is not up to opinion.
There are certainly things developers can do with the PS5 that can't be done the same, as fast, or as well on any other consumer hardware at the moment. That's also a fact.
The PS5's IO is a big deal that will lead to actual results in games.
It is a fact, but nobody knows what that difference is going to look like on their screens when leveraging the same I/O-intensive technology scaled to the competition's I/O architecture. And those who say the difference is going to be large (or small) are doing so without actually having any reason to do so. It might turn out to be true, but speaking about the makers of the only such technology we've seen so far, they haven't actually said ANYTHING about that.
I'm saying it.
It's so strange to see gamers downplaying technology that will help make games better. That this tech exists is an objective good, there is no downside, only upside. There is no other consumer solution that compares to this setup, and we should want companies to push the boundaries of technology for our benefit.
Cerny said all of this SSD speed is invisible to the devs, they don't need to do anything. They just ask for data and it gets put into RAM ready to go super fast, so even if they don't design games around it they're still getting faster storage by default, so in the same way you might expect the Series X will have marginally higher resolution and/or better framerates, the PS5 ahould absolutely never have any issues with LOD pop in and the like. It will be flawless if the game is designed for slower SSDs. So there's one benefit for no cost.
Yep. PS5 is legitimately cutting-edge in the advancements that are going to be most widely talked about and considered most important over the next few years. The PC market will eventually mass adopt SSDs that compare, but even then it doesn't have the custom hardware with deep I/O optimisations. Sony's unique architecture almost makes it a priority to optimise for. It makes total business sense for Epic to want to explore that technology, since PS5 is going to be one of the most important (popular) platforms for their engine. I can imagine Epic totally approaching Sony and not the other way around.
It's your opinion that I'm downplaying this technology. What I'm actually saying is "wait until you see it in action". Or rather, wait until you see it in action and compared to other similar technologies that aren't quite as good.
You better believe I hope the difference is large.
By see it in action I mean as a finished product in consumers' hands, of course.
What's "so strange" is that a message as inoccuous as that elicits responses that boil down to "why would you say it sucks?" or "it's embarrassing and you don't know anything about development".
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Microsoft already hyped up SSD at last year's E3 briefing. They say it'll give gamers "new experience". The thing is both companies are hyping SSD.
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I need to look at it. Is this where they mentioned using the SSD like virtual memory?
Nevermind, the timestamp helped. E3 2019 is where they mentioned using their SSD like virtual ram.
I have see it in action, first hand.
Even if you as a consumer don't consciously realize all the ways it will improve games on many levels, the difference for devs is striking.
Thank you for your efforts to bring sense to this discussion!
Edit: And I am glad if the SSD makes the developers life easier, the main thing that matters.
Matt I read one part from the epic interview where they said the io is so fast that some things skip memory all together and its directly fed(due to speed and non existant latency). Is that a true statement or I misread it ??
... can't remember something like that...
maybe ultrafast on-demand loading into memory...
kinda like the "scrubbers" of the PS5 ?
Yes, but they only mention it like in one sentence. The video is timestamped right at where they talk about the SSD. It's basically the same thing Sony is saying.
nah.
It's pretty hyping up the SSD, than 'comparing the SSD to their nearest competitor'.
So it's a very big leap from the previous 2 gens from it, which had to contend with only 30-50 mb/s.
Feel free to say whatever, then. My message was not directed at you.
As for the second point, I'm not sure consumers are going to take this into account when making purchasing decisions if they don't see large differences on their end, whether or not they should.
Would this analogy be reasonable?
Looking at SSD+I/O, the XSX and PS5 are runners at the same starting line. The finish line is 5.5 seconds away. The XSX lane has hurdles but the PS5 lane is clear.
(Or, XSX lane has more hurdles than the PS5 lane, but I wanted to simplify.)
Most consumers will see
8K 12TF SONY PlayStation XboXSeriesX Microsoft
Yeah, I just looked. The time stamp helped. Thanks.
Dude... give it a rest lol
The SSD will translate to big differences in load times, graphics tech, visuals, etc
It'll be the future for even Xbox consoles mid-gen or next-next gen. You should be excited, not resistant.
So, can we stop with the madness, please?
...so what? We're talking about tech here, our appreciation of it shouldn't be affected by the less informed's lack there of.