I took the any other consumer hardware to mean only released hardware but you are probably right.
You mean it doesn't "Seems like MS messed up again tbh, prioritizing the wrong thing and not reading the landscape per usual."?
If you've seen a large difference for developers between the PS5 I/O arch. and the XSX's (or are a developer with access to both), you can have this appreciation.
There is no comparison.
Thank you Matt for the feedback. As always your posts are very helpful.
It's simple: no developers have anything good to say about XSX, and some people have already decided which box they're buying and need to convince themselves they're not buying the dud.
And we're done here.
Well yes, we know it's twice as fast in bandwidth and possibly even faster in latency. That's significantly faster. Never denied that.
Since you're basically paraphrasing my back and forth with Matt, I'll just say that it's a gross misrepresentation of what I was actually saying. I know devs praise the PS5. I agree with them. What devs haven't done is say how much better it is than either its direct competition or current high end PC. And I don't doubt for a second if the "revolutionary jump" can actually be experienced by consumers they'll buy it. What I actually said is that I don't know if it'll be enough to make people buy it if the "revolutionary jump" is only on the developer end.
I have a ton of good to say about the SX. It's an fantastic box that I'm incredibly excited for, and it has a power advantage over the PS5 in many ways. It is also capable of doing things the PS5 can't or can't do as well.
Sure, when prompted you'll apend an 'oh, the other one is decent too'. But I haven't seen a single developer who says something positive about it except in that context. Or as with the Scorn developers, talking about general next-gen features like the CPU being more powerful. It's abundantly clear which platform is more exciting and capable.
I do think for some people the fact that xbox isn't being as openly discussed by devs as being amazing, especially in comparison to the PS5, makes them feel attacked and start coming up with conspiracy theories like Sony having some marketing deal to exclude xbox talk or xbox having better NDAs etc.
Cerny already specified that devs don't have to do extra work to use the IO at it's peak. So even if they don't design games around it we will still see improvements on things like LOD and pop in. Just like how XSX will probably has some framerate or res advantages without devs having to do anything. Some improvements require no extra work.
Entirely depends on the support built into 3rd party engines. UE5 is fully optimised to leverage these speeds so there's no reason to expect third parties using this engine will not leverage the superior I/O performance.
As I have said before, I expect the difference in third party titles to be modest, as they can't be designed around a faster solution. Maybe the PS5's IO advantages will be as noticeable as the SX's TF advantages in those titles.
But that line of thinking is flawed to begin with.
You don't expect games to be able to easily scale in order to also take full (or at least decent) advantage of the PS5 I/O even in multiplats? Epic made it sound like, at least on Unreal, this can be achieved with relative ease.
But then the difference becomes visible to the consumers. And what I said was contingent on consumers not being able to see the difference because Matt mentioned consumers not realizing the difference (though I assume he was speaking hypothetically. Then again, so was I). That's all.
No, as I said I think that will lead to benefits for PS5 games, but game design won't be different.
But you expect PS5-only games to have fundamental, easily noticeable design advances that are not possible in any way, even scaled down, on competing systems? (Well, maybe on future high end PCs, but disregard that).
This very thread that you are posting is about a third party game engine that made fundamental changes in order to take advantage of the PS5 storage setup.
If you're allowed to share an opinion on this yet, is Ps5 a more easy machine to develop for than SeX? (not saying SeX is hard, but if Ps5 is easier, so fanboys don't start a console war)
DirectStorage is great for what it is, but yeah, I expect brute force speed to be the biggest factor here.
The SX more conventional than the PS5, and therefore less novel to talk about. It's still a stronger system in many ways.
They are both great to develop for.
Maybe I really pissed him off, I have that unintentional effect on a lot of people :(
Well, they're bound to notice that those things only happen on PS5 exclusives. When I said earlier that "consumers had to see the difference", I just meant the difference had to be noticeable, not that they had to understand what makes that difference possible.
They will use it in multiple ways. Load times are the most straightforward way, which is why a lot of people initially believed that is all it will bring. Things that come to mind: increased draw distance, texture detail and greater variety of individual assets in frame. They will use every tool at their disposal to represent their games in the best light, especially if it's a smooth experience - which it seems like it's been engineered to be.
Had some meetings canceled, gotta get my talking out somehow.
Not at all.
This is the best news - this forthcoming gen is going to be great!
Thanks Matt for your continued engagement in this forum, we are privileged. I look forward to seeing what both can do. Exciting times with a real CPU and SSD!
