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Gender in gaming is a contentious issue. Recently, when Pokemon-esque MMO Temtem dared to ask players to select their pronouns when creating a character, chaos ensued. Chicken tenders were thrown at the screen. Refunds were demanded. People who say "you mad?" and call others "snowflakes" got upset about an option in a video game for children.

While flashpoints of gender in gaming are characterised by controversy, the medium is becoming more inclusive. In recent years, character diversity has been on the rise, but there's still a long way to go. One game seeking to be truly groundbreaking though is the upcoming PC and Xbox One game Tell Me Why, developed by DONTNOD, the studio which brought you Life Is Strange.

The title will be the first triple-A game to feature a transgender protagonist that isn't a create-your-own avatar, in the shape of Tyler Ronan. I caught up with August Black, the voice actor behind Tyler, as well as game director Florent Guillaume and narrative director Stéphane Beauverger to find out the story behind Ronan's creation.

"Given the themes we explore and the nature of the story, it resonated to the essence of our game to have Tyler be a trans man," Guillaume explained. Tell Me Why has two central protagonists: Tyler and his twin sister, Alyson. It's clear that Guillaume and Beauverger see Tyler as much more than his trans-ness, but as with anything which breaks new territory, he (and Tell Me Why) will inevitably be defined by it.

"We understood the risks but also the responsibility it would mean to create a character as realistically as we possibly could," Guillaume says. "We decided not to shy away because we believe in the force of our story." Considering the very idea of pronouns can cause controversy in gaming, Tell Me Why is definitely a risk. But it's an admirable one, maybe even a necessary one.

Being transgender right now is like being Billie Eilish: fairly recently very few people even knew who you were, and now your entire existence is being debated in the media, on the socials, and by that one old guy who used to be funny but now is just sad. It's great that people are more informed, and that's brought support, but there's also a lot of people who don't understand and seem to inexplicably dedicate large swathes of their identity to hating you.

Fiction is often tempted to paint minorities in broad strokes, but Guillaume explains that Tell Me Why has avoided that pitfall: "We know that we can't possibly represent every trans experience. We tell one trans story of Tyler Ronan and we hope that people will feel moved by it."

So what exactly is Tyler Ronan's story? "Because of his difficult past, Tyler does not easily trust anyone, except his twin sister Alyson," Beauverger explains. "When our story starts, Tyler has left a centre for troubled youth, and finally feels ready to live his life by becoming a park ranger." He seems to be a character of deep contrasts, one who has shut himself away from the world yet embraces what nature has to offer. He's "work[ing] to find his place in a world he often perceives as hostile" – an experience many trans people can relate to.

One such trans person is August Black, Tyler Ronan's actor, himself a trans man. "It's such an important story," he tells me. "The transgender narrative is not a story a lot of people are exposed to and this game will give a massive platform to it. I'm so excited for people to get to know these characters! Tyler has so much to offer and his experience as a trans man is just a part of it. Tyler is amazing because he is tangible. The writers have created such a beautiful three-dimensional character. Having a video game character that might look like you is great, but more importantly having a character who feels like you do gives young trans kids a connection they might not have anywhere else."

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Meet Tyler Ronan, the first transgender triple-A video game protagonist

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Alder

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Great to see more representation but yeah, this is not a AAA game by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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Wouldn't call Life is Strange triple-A by any definition, but cool nonetheless. Would be awesome to see trans protagonists in real mainstream games.

Imagine internet idiots crying if Doom Slayer was revealed to be transgender for example!
 

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Wouldn't call Life is Strange triple-A by any definition, but cool nonetheless. Would be awesome to see trans protagonists in real mainstream games.

Imagine internet idiots crying if Doom Slayer was revealed to be transgender for example!
Wasn't Life is Strange extremely popular though? So, while these games aren't AAA per se, I'd for sure say they have quite a wide reach. At any rate, it's awesome they're doing this.
 

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Wouldn't call Life is Strange triple-A by any definition, but cool nonetheless. Would be awesome to see trans protagonists in real mainstream games.

Imagine internet idiots crying if Doom Slayer was revealed to be transgender for example!

Oh god those poor souls couldn't handle it. But the thought is amusing and I would buy it.
 

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What should be a discussion about the positive impact of having a trans protagonist in a game backed by large publisher will devolve into debating whether DontNod produce AAA games.
 

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Wasn't Life is Strange extremely popular though? So, while these games aren't AAA per se, I'd for sure say they have quite a wide reach. At any rate, it's awesome they're doing this.

IMO, being an AAA game is less about popularity and more about the financial costs associated with its development. Realistically, there's probably only 10 or so companies you can really call AAA developers e.g. the Sony studios, Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc.
 

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Videogames as a medium are uniquely suited for building understanding of different people since you can inhabit their life, walk in their shoes, etc. So it's exciting to see a game give us a role we don't see often. Sounds like they're working with an organization specializing in this matter, too, so hopefully it's thoughtfully done.
 
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Don't fuck this up is all I hope. My mixed feelings on Life Is Strange mean I'm not expecting to like the game, but at least I can hope for decent representation. LIS2 represented the characters well, but LIS1's ending really soured me with the
"bury your lesbian" or this town gets destroyed
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That's freaking awesome, it's about time gaming industry.

Imagine internet idiots crying if Doom Slayer was revealed to be transgender for example!

I'm a big advocate for transgender & LGBT representation in gaming, but that's a weird thing to say about the Slayer.
We know he is not, the truth is you're just imagining that to get some satisfaction in your head, as if you're winning an imaginary war against the alt-right.

LGBT isn't about turning people into gay or transgender, it's about respect & representing people who were born that way.
 
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It's really cool they're doing this and it means a lot when it's the set protagonist.
 

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"Being transgender right now is like being Billie Eilish"

what a bizarre point of comparison to pull
 

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Interesting that the game's director repeatedly referred to Tell Me Why as AAA. Can't wait to learn more about this game. We've seen and know so little.
 

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It doesn't look AAA to me.
Great to see more representation but yeah, this is not a AAA game by any stretch of the imagination.

Imagine this being the biggest takeaway from this.

On topic, it's great to see more diversity in games. It's not a guarantee for good games, mind, but Dontnod has proven time and time again they are able to tackle stories and characters going through difficult things and of all kinds of identities, too. They're one of the few devs I trust to approach a transgender main character.
 

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I'm a big advocate for transgender & LGBT representation in gaming, but that's a weird thing to say about the Slayer.
We know he is not, the truth is you're just imagining that to get some satisfaction in your head, as if you're winning an imaginary war against the alt-right.

LGBT isn't about turning people into gay or transgender, it's about respect & representing people who were born that way.
Thank you. It's pretty annoying to see "allies" using us as a bludgeon to hit MAGA chuds with. We're people, not props in your fight to "own the right".

Anyway like most Dontnod games that deal with sensitive subjects I expect that this will be well-intentioned but very heavy-handed and devolve into tragedy porn. Their decision not to hire a trans writer also really sours me on this from the beginning. We can be props so you can tell our stories to make money but you won't hire us. Yeah I know they hired a trans VA but not having a trans person writing this, with Dontnod's track record, is worrying.
 

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This is great to see. Hopefully as time moves on we don't even notice these things any more as it's just so normal.

These pioneers are important though as we get nowhere without them.
 

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Imagine this being the biggest takeaway from this.

On topic, it's great to see more diversity in games. It's not a guarantee for good games, mind, but Dontnod has proven time and time again they are able to tackle stories and characters going through difficult things and of all kinds of identities, too. They're one of the few devs I trust to approach a transgender main character.
Agreed, the idea that the biggest thing people want an opinion about is what's labelled AAA. I'm pretty sure you need to be putting out ND level games to be qualified for that holy label in 2020.

Dontnod are kind of alone in the space as a full-time developer with resources, and you're right they're handing these topics with the grace and sensitivity they deserve.
 

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Agreed, the idea that the biggest thing people want an opinion about is what's labelled AAA. I'm pretty sure you need to be putting out ND level games to be qualified for that holy label in 2020.

Dontnod are kind of alone in the space as a full-time developer with resources, and you're right they're handing these topics with the grace and sensitivity they deserve.

Ever since Remember Me I had my eyes on them. Behind what looked like (and in many ways it was) a fairly standard third person action game, lied an ambitious if undercooked premise, full of interesting personal storylines and tragedies. Life Is Strange is likewise a remarkable achievement in creating characters you find yourself caring for almost immediately, feeling their everyday struggles and their bigger-than-them responsibilities they suddenly have to face. I don't even want to know much about Tell Me Why: it's the same team tackling it, I'll play it "free" through Game Pass, and I trust them to handle the themes with respect and care.
 

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Good but shame the game doesn't interest me.

Maybe next time.
 

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There are probably more important themes to be discussing in this article rather than what is or isn't a AAA game.
 
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Very much looking forward to this game, love Dontnod's work for the most part. I'm glad the voice actor they cast is trans.
 

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Anyway like most Dontnod games that deal with sensitive subjects I expect that this will be well-intentioned but very heavy-handed and devolve into tragedy porn. Their decision not to hire a trans writer also really sours me on this from the beginning. We can be props so you can tell our stories to make money but you won't hire us. Yeah I know they hired a trans VA but not having a trans person writing this, with Dontnod's track record, is worrying.

guh, that's a shame. i feel like the choice of writer would have a bigger impact than choice of VA, not that it should be an either/or situation.
 

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I think it's a good step in the right direction, even if they didn't hire a trans writer. It's not like every game with black protagonists are written by black writers anyway. I just hope this game kickstarts more games with trans characters, and maybe, in the future, more trans people writing and directing. I'd rather applaud their decision now than say "fuck it, you guys didn't do the perfect thing" and make it look like nobody wants a game like this.
 

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I get pedantic that arguing over the AAA label is dumb, but shouldn't we be continuing to demand representation in higher profile games? The article is a little bit "we did it!", when there is still farther to go.
 

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Thank you. It's pretty annoying to see "allies" using us as a bludgeon to hit MAGA chuds with. We're people, not props in your fight to "own the right".

Anyway like most Dontnod games that deal with sensitive subjects I expect that this will be well-intentioned but very heavy-handed and devolve into tragedy porn. Their decision not to hire a trans writer also really sours me on this from the beginning. We can be props so you can tell our stories to make money but you won't hire us. Yeah I know they hired a trans VA but not having a trans person writing this, with Dontnod's track record, is worrying.
Any idea how big their writing team is? You'd think they would try to bring at least one trans writer onboard. Though I recall DONTNOD saying August was helping to ensure there's authenticity to the story, so maybe it's not a big deal.

Edit: Not trying to downplay your concerns. Just hoping for the best.
 
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I get pedantic that arguing over the AAA label is dumb, but shouldn't we be continuing to demand representation in higher profile games? The article is a little bit "we did it!", when there is still farther to go.
We *should* be asking for more representation in AAA games, but this thread doesn't seem like the place to do that. It's kind of diminishing what the people behind this game are doing to be like "well other people from bigger studios aren't doing it yet so let's focus on that instead".
 

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We *should* be asking for more representation in AAA games, but this thread doesn't seem like the place to do that. It's kind of diminishing what the people behind this game are doing to be like "well other people from bigger studios aren't doing it yet so let's focus on that instead".
Honestly what I find especially tiring to see is that people care more about if a game with a trans character is backed by a big publisher like Microsoft, than about said game being made by trans people.

Like, Tell Me Why could potentially be a decent game and I'm glad they got a trans voice actor. But it being by cis writers makes me incredibly wary, on top of Dontnod's history with handling queer characters in their games (which, as Nora pointed out, tends to be well-intentioned but still not all that well handled).

They can tout about having GLAAD's involvement and how they listened to trans people all they want, but all of that combined doesn't matter nearly as much as hiring trans writers.
 
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But it being by cis writers makes me incredibly wary, on top of Dontnod's history with handling queer characters in their games (which, as Nora pointed out, tends to be well-intentioned but still not all that well handled).
This, but also I think "not that well handled" is still putting it very nicely. Dontnod always felt more interested by the visibility of being "the first including queer men / women and trans characters" in their games and the whole Tell me why marketing campaign is a great example of it.
I'm tired of cis ppl making money off our discrimination and exclusion (especially when they're often fostering these exclusions in their own studios). French queer video games workers completely exist and it's ... signficant that it's still a cis man talking here.
Anyway an industry telling our stories with still 0 trans ppl in it is just an empty shell.

(And really, everything in this interview tires me. How he glorifies himself, how he alreday excuses himself for falling in old queer representation tropes because they're "the first ones", how they're using a young trans voice actor as their shield.... -_- )
 

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I'm a big advocate for transgender & LGBT representation in gaming, but that's a weird thing to say about the Slayer.
We know he is not, the truth is you're just imagining that to get some satisfaction in your head, as if you're winning an imaginary war against the alt-right.

LGBT isn't about turning people into gay or transgender, it's about respect & representing people who were born that way.
No I'm not saying he should be trans, that's just a hypothetical situation. The Slayer is whatever id wants him to be.
 

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No I'm not saying he should be trans, that's just a hypothetical situation. The Slayer is whatever id wants him to be.
Specifically you said he should be trans so internet idiots can get angry about it.

Which, doesn't really sound like you want more trans characters, and more like you want more obnoxious internet discourse that's filled with transphobia for your entertainment.
 
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Hopefully I'm not further derailing this discussion, but after thinking about it some more, not having a trans writer is really, really disappointing and just doesn't feel right. If this were a story about the Black experience in America, you'd expect them to hire at least one African-American writer. And it's not just about bringing authenticity to the story. It's also about who are the gatekeepers in this industry and what's preventing others from becoming gatekeepers. Hopefully we see more improvements sooner rather than later.
 

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Is this gonna be another adventure game like Life is Strange or something else? I lost interest after Life is Strange 1 as the time travel mechanic is what made the game interesting for me.
 

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Specifically you said he should be trans so internet idiots can get angry about it.

Which, doesn't really sound like you want more trans characters, and more like you want more obnoxious internet discourse that's filled with transphobia for your entertainment.
I literally said "Imagine internet idiots crying if Doom Slayer was revealed to be transgender for example!". Where's the "should" part lol.
 

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It's almost as if there are plenty of talented actors and voice actors belonging to marginalised and minority groups to pick from.
 

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This is a long time coming and a breakthrough moment.

I just wish the game was called something else though. Every time I see the title, I am reflexively going through the lyrics of "I want it that way". God damn it.
 

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Fab that they hired a trans actor though rubbish they didn't hire a trans writer.

Hopefully it doesn't have cis misunderstandings of trans experiences or stereotypes such as "male brain", "born in the wrong body", "the surgery", trans healthcare not taking years to access, "tricking cis people", always loved trucks/ insert whatever male coded toys or male = super masculine.


And the whole gender is a contentious issue doesn't seem that far away from dogwhistles about "the trans debate".
Trans people or gender are only contentious to bigots who should not be normalised.

But still sounds interesting so am cautiously hopeful.