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Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
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As someone who has been primarily been watching subbed, I don't think we're going to be affected at all.
By and far why I largely never bother to talk with "anime fans" on ANN and r/anime. It gives me a headache to see how far some of them bend backwards to defend Vic and dehumanize everyone else.
You're not wrong. I know there's a lot of jokes on Era about anime fans being the worst... but recent times have really made it hard to see the funny side of that anymore.
Ah right, yeah... I remember that one now. Awful stuff.
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I honestly doubt it'll even go before a jury after reading that petition. It's likely the defendants first move will be to petition the court for a dismissal since the claims are based in conspiracy theories with little to no evidence to back them up.
It's not. Most people don't know or care about this. The reason it became so big is because comicsgate/GG and blackface youtube lawyer jumped into it.
his rabid fans claiming that DB/Toei secretly agree with them and are angry at Funimation is probably causing them more trouble than the situation itself has, lol
and even that's probably nothing
so like... 0, they'll pick someone else to voice Broly next time and nobody with any sense will care
The amount of people that don't understand the concept of the burden of proof is astounding. The responses hurt my head.
Absolutely nothing lmao. Tbh most dragon ball fans don't even know the VA's names much less do they care about their personal lives.
It's kind of sad to say that because there is a lot of work that goes into voice acting but it's also a sad reality.
Yeah, the damage this is doing to the franchise is practically zero. He's an obviously guilty, easily replaceable, not-even-z-list celebrity who's bolstered mainly by MRA/incel-types who can't even weave a narrative that is interesting or coherent enough for the anime fandom at large to give a shit about. Like others have said, more people care about the latest video release of DBZ than they do a third-rate voice actor no longer being hired to scream KAKAROT.
In this post-truth era these types of people (BFL and others) care more about narrative than anything else. If you can get enough people screaming loudly enough in support of your narrative, you "win" regardless of what may have really happened.
I see echoes of the tactics used here in larger political contexts. Also, accuse the opposing "side" of doing what they're doing so that they can then resort to both sides bullshit.
And framing the issue as having two equivalent sides is yet another rhetorical tactic of theirs. Make it seem like it's two equal sides fighting, when in reality it's women who want to get on when their lives and harassers who refuse to leave them alone.
I see echoes of the tactics used here in larger political contexts. Also, accuse the opposing "side" of doing what they're doing so that they can then resort to both sides bullshit.
And framing the issue as having two equivalent sides is yet another rhetorical tactic of theirs. Make it seem like it's two equal sides fighting, when in reality it's women who want to get on when their lives and harassers who refuse to leave them alone.
They were on the ball earlier in cleaning up victim blaming/conspiracy BS, but I dunno what's going on now.
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My feeling from what I've vaguely seen of their forums is that the staff is seemingly in agreement on certain stuff being horrible, but they are bizarrely tolerant of people being allowed to post such things until they cross some line.
I still don't understand it. Even separate from this topic, people casually post pretty abhorrent/gross stuff on there and it's seemingly not actioned till they go way too far with it. I guess they delete posts so to be fair I assume there's worse stuff I missed whenever I do look at their forums (when something like this happens), but it's just baffling to me that they're let such things fester.
Given the comments on another site, which circled around how they hope ANN is brought into the lawsuit and destroyed as well, I wouldn't be surprised if ANN was DDOSed for their moderation on the subject and had to allow more to happen to try to avoid being attacked in the future.
They aren't a huge site, they can't afford to be subjected to constant DDOS attacks.
They do indeed delete posts, which is why I mentioned they were "on the ball earlier," but I suppose Monica Rial wearing hair-dye and weaponizing #metoo is magically A-Okay now.
I think they'd actually have a case for keeping that info sealed due to the fact that Vic's lawyer appears on blackface lawyers livestreams to disseminate information to a group who likes to harass and threaten people.
I think Digital Homicide's lawsuit against Jim Sterling would be a more fitting comparison.
I'd ask if he's seriously going to include her into the lawsuit, but given that he was dumb enough to file that farce already...
Amazing how Vic stans tut-tut Monica and Jamie for tweets but can't apply the same standards for these goons.
Basically just directing the cult at who he wants to see harassed.
What a fucking scumbag... no wonder he and BFL are BFFs.
It's interesting timing on the avatar change, but could just be coincidental. Honestly, if he was a Vic see, he probably would have changed it to Broly.
Like I've posted in a page back or two, the only thing Toei ever forced funi to change was that scene from dragonball kai that featured dbz abridged cast. Otherwise I dont think they gave two shits what funi does.
There's no real evidence TOEI cares, and tbh I get a feeling considering Akira Toriyama didn't like his characters being affiliated with gambling that he'd REALLY hate whatever the hell is going on here.
Again, I find the idea of people thinking that Toei caring about an English voice actor of Vic's level extremely laughable.
also, downloading roms is legal if you delete them within 24 hours
Hmm well if you say so.
*downloads every episode of one piece*
right so this is where things get interesting and once again I'm not a lawyer but I did look into this: on the surface, for this type of lawsuit they are correct as they're being sued for defamation per se which is reserved for statements that are so damaging you don't need to explicitly prove innocence or damages. The example I was reading was when a man was accused by a woman of assault and battery along of false imprisonment where the statements were so incredibly damaging but there wasn't any real proof that these things happened and as a result, the guy won the case.
Now the thing is that it's a lot more complex than just walking into a court room and saying "I didn't do it" and walking out: the statement needs to
be proven that it was said knowingly as false and with intent to defame and on top of that Funimation has a full on investigation here meaning that whatever was found in that investigation is going to come out; and to top it all off there's already rumors of Funimation counter suing in the near future which would really make this a complex scenario.
I'm really gonna be sitting back and just watching at this point because I'm sort of unsure as to where this is gonna go, but I still think funimation's gonna win this.
And dont forget Texas is an At will state.. so they have that bonus too. Is it sad i wish there was a way for me to watch this court case and eat popcorn when he looses.
Defamation
Tortious Interference with Existing Contracts
Tortious Interference with Prospective Business Relations
Civil Conspiracy
Vicarious Liability
Basically, he's saying he was financially damaged by these people intentionally conspiring to spread falsehoods about him and thereby interfering with his contracts with Funimation and conventions, as well as costing him future contracts. Also, Funimation is responsible because the other defendants are their employees.
Bang Zoom is apparently still working with him, but might fire him after this shit is done. Can't look good for anything he's done or is doing in any industry. His name will be permanently smeared, I'm not even sure the evangelist nutbags will take him when the dust settles and this is over.
Isn't Bang Zoom only working with him for the sake of Jojo? They just wrapped, could be he has no further projects with them after this.
From what I saw on Twitter, Blackface Lawyer seems very confident that Sony won't intervene. I'm not sure why.
So the onus is on Vic's legal team to proven that Monica and Jamie lied purposefully to damage Vic's reputation? Sounds difficult to prove(especially since the accusations are probably true).
The issue in defamation cases is that they're not so much about the 'truth' as they are about 'provable facts'.
Yeah, its maddening. Kanzenshuu is a trashfire. You're one of the few people there that isn't a cloying demented fanboy.
It's funny because I feel like Vic's apology letter completely fucks that whole thing up.