I get your point, but on the other hand, he has literally had advice available on the Threadnought since 6th of June and listened to absolutely none of it. I doubt he will start now.
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Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
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I get your point, but on the other hand, he has literally had advice available on the Threadnought since 6th of June and listened to absolutely none of it. I doubt he will start now.
I'm ok with him stupidly wasting his life savings in this black hole of an unwinnable cause. :lol
I mean one of the reasons why this lawsuit has been so funny is because Vic clearly doesnt seem to understand or even care what is actually happening. He couldnt even show damages because he just doesnt bother keeping contract information. 100% Vic believes that the judge was just too stupid to understand Texas law and this guy he found through twitter who makes his money on youtube is totally this super lawyer whose an expert on law.
This is a guy who couldnt be bothered to attend his own hearing despite both Monica Rial, and Jaimie Marchi being able to attend.
Apparently blackfacelawyer confirmed it on his stream last night.
I've heard the 500k number floated around here, but I've never actually seen a source for that.
I've also seen numbers down at like 10k floated around, but haven't seen a source for that either.
No. He only has to put up a bond that amounts to the defendants' damages. Damages do not include attorney fees. Sanctions -could- be considered damages but only in certain definitions.
The 500k was floated because of the estimate for the attorney fees. Back when Greg spoke to one of the defense lawyers, they estimated that one client's bill was already at 100k. That was before a lot of the TCPA motions and so forth. So hellfilings, last minute filings etc not included. Can't imagine what being up at midnight and having to write up a new motion can cost.
There was a recent TCPA case that was in one of the Threadnought lawyers' threads (I think it was DM) where they thought that sanctions and attorney fees could apply but they found a Texas CoA case where the bond was only like $4k.
Of course. Also gotta stop from paying the bill, keep dragging it out and hope that the other side might give in for a settlement to end it and get the fees paid at least somewhat. That's what these shitty lawyers just try to do, drag out the cases to insane amounts of time to just try and force the other side to cave in on a settlement, it's only way they are getting paid
I wonder if that's real.
The person won't be charged it they don't have sufficient funds, right? Maybe they're just trolling?
... Or maybe it's real... At this point, it's totally possible...
10 k just for appealing. The 500k will be most likely the fees for all the involved lawyers (Marchis, Rials, Toyes, Funimation/Sonys). Then of course Ty who has already grifted 250k out of the GFM (together with Nick. Who do you think paid for their trips to Hawaii and the other Cons?).
And don't forget the sanctions Vic will have to pay to keep him from ever doing such a dumbass-move ever again. We're looking at 500k for 9 months. Now imagine what 2 years of this dumbassery will cost him. I'd not be surprised if it ends with him having to pay an amount of over a million $
And what for? So that the worlds dumbest lawyer and youtubes drunkest grifter get a ton of money from stupid incels. Oh and of course so the whole world knows that he can't keep it in his pants, preys on underage girls, sexually assaults/harasses fans and coworkers and doesn't give a shit about his own fans being grifted.
Is that 8D-chess at this point?
All that really matters in all of that though would be the 10k. If it's 10k to appeal and Vic has the 4 mil or so he is rumored to have and is facing 500k in fees if he doesn't appeal and believes his lawyers for some reason so then 10k is a small price to pay to potentially erase 500k.
To be fair I wouldn't even be surprised if he doesn't know he will currently owe around 500k. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his lawyers have told him that the go fund me will cover everything so far they just need 10k to try to finish fix his reputation and that Vic hasn't been paying enough attention to realize the position he is in properly even if he went through mediation he likely just believes that the defense was trying to screw him.
I could (I have roughly 1k left each month between my SO and my paycheck that I put towards retirement or other things). But that money would be far better spent on my student loans or on my cat instead or on a new car ect.
Yes, let's pay half our monthly wage so some rich motherfucker doesn't have to pay out of pocket to try to get out of the shit he put himself into! Fucking crazy pants people, I swear!
I mean I've got my own expenditures that would be covered but to just donate it away to someone else who doesn't need it? I can upgrade my desktop, put it towards down payments etc. I could just finish off student loans instead of saving for a house etc.
upgrading my desktop is on the list as well. But yeah I know what you are saying. Sadly this isn't an uncommon thing. A lot of the people I know who are most likely to give away games to friends or support a go fund me can't really afford to do so themselves. Talking my friends with basically zero in the bank that instead of putting stuff into savings will buy a friend a $60 game to play with them.
I'm sure a lot of the people supporting Vic don't even know he comes from money and doesn't need theirs. They just see someone they liked the work of, in a situation that they need help, and are trying to give what they can to help without properly looking into it more.
Honestly, if some clueless nitwit wants to throw their life savings into a sinking boat just to 'own the libs', I will say let them. Not like this will make a difference considering who the rapist's lawyer is.
Also, what reputation?
Ugh, like, even if I were on board with a movement this big, I'd NEVER spend such a crazy amount. These people are totally out of their minds. This reminds me of those antivax fools who end up getting sick or those anti-Obamacare nitwits who end up with some kind of incredibly bad diagnosis they're unable to afford on their own.
Total idiocy!
Get his job back, and and be allowed to hug young girls.
The problem with trying to understand the end game for these people are that most of these people live in a bubble. Just go to the ISWV hashtag and most of them still think that Ty Beard did some brilliant job, and the judge was just too lazy to want to be a judge. They seriously think some judge just thought "Screw it I am in a bad mood so I am just going to dismiss the whole thing, not listen to any evidence and just let the appeals court handle it"
Instead of say listening to other lawyers, they are just listening to the two lawyers doing the grift because they seriously want to believe that all of a sudden Monica Rial got pissed off that Vic played Broly while she only played Bulma (you know the main female lead) and decided to betray Vic.
To Vic, there's nothing to "lose" since you've already been branded as a pedophile and a rapist by your former community. He's just looking to fight, because that's the only thing he can really do. Think of how Evilore turned Neogaf into a right-wing hellsite, it's because that was literally his only option.
Vic is also getting grifted here along with all the GFM people. Nick and Ty aren't losing anything by doing this besides not getting hired in fame and libel cases again, which considering they weren't specialists to begin with, doesn't seem very likely.
I think what amazes me is how long it took for this to be addressed. I've heard these stories for at least ten years and I'm sure they've gone on even longer than that. Even when #MeToo picked up steam I was like "okay but what about Vic."
I'm just trying to understand why so many people are throwing themselves at their feet to defend him. Surely there is no actual evidence or room for doubt in a decade+ of allegations, right? People didn't do this for like, Kevin Spacey. I feel out of the loop.
Nick and Ty shouldn't be losing anything, but they are both so incompetent that they are committing crimes along the way and may have to pay for those.
Nick broke client/lawyer confidentiality on a private discord
Ty committed notary fraud.
I'm sure they have done other things as well such as Nick trying to get people to harass and cause harm to others.
There's also the chance the Vic wisens up and sues ty for malpractice (and he actually has a decent case for that) but doubtful.
The answer is that they literally ignore the decade+ of allegations. I just checked out the hashtag and its a bunch of people talking about betrayals, and how Monica Rial was jealous of Vic's success, and how Vic was a victim of cancel culture.
They seriously think that Vic Mignogna had this sterling reputation among the anime community, right up until the Broly movie hit when Monica Rial and Jaime Marchi jealous of what a huge star Vic is now betrayed Vic by talking crap about him on twitter giving Vic no choice but to sue them.
Greg has made the case that if he had a decent lawyer he could have "won" the antislapp check which would have kept all the sanctions and lawyer fees off the table. And that the incompetence shown in the filings including ty being on a stream the night before the main filing was due could show that he never had any intentions of winning the case for Vic and could be grounds for malpractice.
AKA it's not a slam dunk, but there is at least a decent chance he could sue for malpractice and win (say like 25%... 75% if ty decides to defend himself or have nick defend him)
compared to the case they talked him into which from the start had at best a 5% chance of succeeding and that would be assuming the two sides swapped lawyers from the start.
Reminds me of a story of one girl in 2016 who stopped making her student loan payments so she could donate all the money to Bernie's campaign since he would eliminate all her debt.
Fool and their money etc. Although at least in that case there might have been a pay-off for her personal gain, rather than "lol sacrifice half my paycheck to own the libz"
Unless there's some state specific malpractice cause of actions, which is definitely possible, that sounds closer to ineffective assistance of counsel on the criminal side (which doesn't really require that you would have won, but that's a whole other subject); here, one could prove that Beard fell below the duty of care for attorneys to thoroughly that it caused Vic financial harm. Which.... actually he probably has a decent shot of at least bringing something like that for a lot of reasons that start folding over into flat out ethical violations for his state bar (accepting a defamation case knowing goddamn well he doesn't do defamation cases, going along with a defamation case for months before actually consulting competent counsel with knowledge on the area, assuming he even did so, flat out presenting fraudulently notarized affidavits to the court, the combination of missing a major court deadline and submitting subpar work product with missing cites and incomplete legal arguments, etc).
It's not a Kickstarter. Gofundme takes the money immediately.
Something I've learned is no matter what you're always going to have a group of people defend a certain action or person no matter what it is or what they do, and no matter what you do you can't really reason with them either as they really don't care to reason. In the case here, I'm pretty sure most of the pro-Vic side actually does realize the case is a loss at this point... but it doesn't really matter. Despite what they'll tell you about requiring facts to prove an argument and change their mind, most of these people really don't care at this point because this is purely an emotion driven response.
For what it's worth if Vic was actually innocent you'd have the reverse be true as well but taking away all emotional fallacies, it's really hard to defend him at this point. A lot of people say social media is awful because it turns people into these monsters but I disagree; people have been emotional weirdos like this about as long as human history goes back. All this nonsense we're seeing is more of a symptom of a much larger problem with humanity in general.
For what it's worth if Vic was actually innocent you'd have the reverse be true as well but taking away all emotional fallacies, it's really hard to defend him at this point. A lot of people say social media is awful because it turns people into these monsters but I disagree; people have been emotional weirdos like this about as long as human history goes back. All this nonsense we're seeing is more of a symptom of a much larger problem with humanity in general.
OMG, someone posted this on the Threadnought. MicNoggets seems to actually be setting up his own studio:
Now he just has to hope that no one ever Googles him before working for him.
Now he just has to hope that no one ever Googles him before working for him.
Doubt they'd need to google him at this point. I imagine basically almost all the VAs in the industry know how much of a shitheel he is now
Or he could just go for that russian Fraud Guarantee naming convention and call it Rapey Pedo Productions.
Hmm, he filed this seven months ago? I wonder if any progress was made on that front. Given how long ago that was, he likely already assumed he had this lawsuit in the bag.
(Although, given he's apparently given the okay for an appeal, who knows what's going on in his head.)
Business address and his personal address is the same. Operating out of his garage or his basement do you think?
He might have built a dungeon so he can also hold conventions there.
Bedroom, judging by how his previous forays into voice direction seemed to operate.
I remember seeing somewhere that back when he was still engaged, he opened a donation page to build a recording studio in his house. The page is still open somewhere, but Google's just getting me results on the GoFundMe.
