When you export to the EU you still have to deal with the complexity of their regulations. The only difference is that you're now subject to both regulations and customs.
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Vice News: Brexit has become such a dumpster fire that it has killed every other major EU secessionist movement
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When you export to the EU you still have to deal with the complexity of their regulations. The only difference is that you're now subject to both regulations and customs.
Good job, you're independent from letting the EU pay for the infrastructure for your forgotten land.
I know Brexit vote was just 3 years ago but we did see how the marketing for and against Brexit happened you know.
We weren't born yesterday and we have footage and a lot of articles and opinion pieces as well.
And no this not a race argument, I don't think anyone made a claim that white subjects did something or other.
UK is independent now, just like Germany, France etc. UK makes its own laws, sets its own taxes etc. Its just part of a bigger club for economic advantages.
Not one of England's new trade deals will be better than the EUs. Not one.
And I say England, as the UK will break apart. Inevitable now.
you're being dogpiled which i feel bad about but again, our government has always had control over this -
'Non-EU migration
11. The largest source of non-British net migration is countries that are outside the European Union, a matter over which the government has always had jurisdiction.'*
* source: (https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-can-be-done) a pretty anti-immigration website
Excuse my ignorance, but do pro-Brexit people really believe they will be able to negotiate independent trade deals with European countries that are more favorable than what they are getting now as a member of the EU? Is that even a possibility?
What specifically is the EU doing to the UK to make an example out of them?
It has negotiated a deal with Teresa May which has been rejected by the UKs parliament multiple times and pushed back the hard Brexit deadline multiple times.
It is the UKs collective choice to negotiate deals and fail to sign/ratify them.
You wait until you see how cheap chicken will get once the UK can import chlorinated US chicken. The UK is going to become a dumping ground for class D meat.
None of those countries have had a chance to vote in a referendum yet.
no
literally everything is going to get more complex outside the EU versus in it
With how swell Brexit has gone would anyone be willing to follow them off the cliff?
Brexit on one side, USA isolationism on the other, China increasing their global influence, EU countries are realising that on the world stage they are their only allies, and that losing size means losing influence.
We got a vote to enter in the agreement and there has been no reason to decide that the initial vote was a bad idea so yeah even on that point you're full of shit.
Of course. And should they be unable to, it would be because mean EU is being mean and unfair.
I'll let you guess.
Trump couldn't make it with the might of the US behind it.
What chance does the UK have in this?
Negotiating within or with one economic bloc is easier than negotiating with 20 economic blocs. This is why tradezones exist and why the EU is a pretty good tradezone for people inside it and for its partners.
I'm not a super big fan of the EU or anything but the whole "we'll be fine on our own" is nationalistic nonsense.
It's like saying "why should we have nations, all our cities and villages are better off on their own". Historically, this hasn't been true. Very few city states have survived to the modern day, the nation-state is militarily stronger and economically stronger. Note that this doesn't mean I particularly like the concept of nation-states but I know the reasons why they exist and those reasons are good, in so far as you're interested in continued existence.
I'm not a super big fan of the EU or anything but the whole "we'll be fine on our own" is nationalistic nonsense.
It's like saying "why should we have nations, all our cities and villages are better off on their own". Historically, this hasn't been true. Very few city states have survived to the modern day, the nation-state is militarily stronger and economically stronger. Note that this doesn't mean I particularly like the concept of nation-states but I know the reasons why they exist and those reasons are good, in so far as you're interested in continued existence.
Are you aware of the fact that, within the EU, you always had the right to control immigration the way you want, that it is a core principle of the EU and shengen.
Brexit people are all about sovereignty, but really, Great Britain, like every- EU country, always had the right to stop free movement end strictly control its border, like every EU nation, no question asked ?
Are you aware of that ?
Is this the source of your ignorance, Did you think GB had no control on this and was "forced" in some way to follow some eu arbitrary rule ?
Because it never was the case, if GB wanted to close its borders and checks everything and everyone they could have done so every time they wanted and the EU would have no say in it !
Just check the EU agreement if you don"t believe me.
all of those agreements and treaties and negotiations are public by the way, because transparency and democracy, you know.
the EU is a LAW structure,for good and bad.
Woah asking a Brexiter to deal in facts and not emotion?
Bold move.
Can't wait for you to tell us that Trump was elected because of economical anxiety.
Hey no country had a referendum on using the metric system so clearly only the US is fine!
i dont see how this is an answer to my post, it has nothing to do about trump., who the fuck cares about the orange dotard, we are superior europeans for fuck's sake lol.
If, by some miracle, the UK leaves, then changes its mind later down the line, are there provisions in place for the UK to reapply to the EU in 50 or 100 years? If a few generations went by, the UK devolved into a 3rd world nation, and everyone saw what was happening the EU economically, but didn't even have the military to invade and take it the way would have in the Good Old Days?
The next day the UK Brexit, it can reapply to the EU.
It'll be in a worse position than Turkey though.
Not directly but much like how "economic anxiety" was just a thin smokescreen for Trump voters racism any other excuse Brexiteers use is just a thin cover for their racism.
i have faith in mankind, some of them are just ignorant, some of them can see the light, some of them can be saved.
i know , lost cause, but i have internet and a fuckton of free time so why not ?.
You're doing the same thing with brexit that Trump voters did. Denying that the main reason was racism.
You are the better person for that and should be commended for it.
not directly, but it's the same brand of racist/xenophobic bullshit
Well, that's not entirely true. Schengen is optional (and the UK opted out) but the free movement between member states is not.
What the UK could have done (and what other countries like Germany did) is limit migration of new member state citizens to the UK for a little while. But Tony Blair thought the cheap labour was neat so they didn't use the restrictions they could have used. So that's why so many Poles moved to the UK and what partially caused Brexit sympathies.
Another reason for Brexit was the hate towards muslims and people from India and Pakistan, which ofc had nothing to do with the EU but that didn't stop Farage & co.
Yeah, fair enough, I wouldn't expect it to happen in our lifetimes once the UK leaves. But if, after a few generations they have to choose between being a vassal state to the US, and maintain some independence with the EU, maybe those future UK citizens will look back on what their grandparents wrought and think to themselves, "So... why did we leave again?" after living in an economic hellscape their entire lives, and seeing the white picket fence and green lawns across the water.
No point even trying to discuss then is there if you think I'm a racist.
The day after Brexit people actually wondered whatever the fuck they voted for....
So you know...
What did the EU ever do for us? Things are looking pretty good, we'll be able to make new trade deals now! We'll finally be able to get rid of the tyranny of the EU and fund the NHS instead. The Phillipines already commented they'd love a new better trade deal with us rather than the mean bullies in Europe.
Time to eat fam
Time to eat fam
Not for race reasons though, I don't have a racist bone in my body.
lmao how does it feel to be duped by a bunch of fascists into destroying your country.
I'm really not. I shouldn't have to put up with being accused as being a racist because I voted leave.
You got conned, man. I'm sorry to have to tell you that. The Tories played you gullible imbeciles like a fiddle.
In a post-Hard Brexit world the Tories and their friends, the Murdochs, etc. And the other rich evil fucks are gonna destroy your country.
You were just tricked by the lies racists spread to get you to shoot yourself in the foot.
You may not have voted due to racism but you got hoodwinked regardless lol. Both are a bad look.
Unless i'm reading the treaties wrong, that is entirely true, any eu country can stop free movement and take back full controls of its borders, for as long as it wants, because if they claim it"s for internal safety or economics motivations then it's fair game, and only the country can say it is important enough of not (sovereignty) , so, in practice, should a country decide to control everything and everyone, it is within the scope of the treaties and the EU would have no say in it, it the country says that is it an important matter, then the country is right, there is no recourse or way for the EU to force a country to stop doing it.
( a country doing so on a long time-scale would only harm itself, but hey, sovereignty ).